SHTF: Women & Sex

Female Survival
If you are a woman, “roughing it” will take on a whole new meaning in a SHTF situation. Coping with “that time of the month”, sex, birth control, and giving birth in an emergency situation are all things that you will have to take into consideration in your emergency preparation. 


By Valerie, a SurvivalCache.com contributor

Women will definitely have different things to deal with if SHTF.  Daily survival for us will also include having to deal with our monthly menses, a topic that may be sensitive to talk about, but needs to be addressed.  There are several options available.  I myself have already opted for menstrual suppression.  I control my “monthly gift” with COC (combined oral contraceptive).  There are certain brands of COC formulated to limit the number of periods you have a year such as Seasonale and Seasonique,but I take a “typical” birth control pill, Microgestin, and just continuously take active pills.  Every three or four months, I will take the placebo pills and allow my body to withdraw for a few days, as this seems to curb any unwanted breakthrough bleeding.  Lybrel is another COC that was FDA approved in May 2007.  Lybrel is approved to stop your period for an entire year.

Other than COC’s, there are other hormonal birth control options available for menstrual suppression.  The Depo Provera shot also has an amenherroic effect.  About 50% of women will experience no period within the first year and up to 90% after a two year use.  Mirena, another contraceptive, has users who report a blood loss decrease of 80%-90% with 20% becoming amenorrheic after one year.  Due to insurance, most of us are only allowed to fill up to three months of COC’s at a time.  It may be a good idea to just deal with your period now while its manageable and stockpile your pills for a later time.  Also, your doctor may be able to give you a few sample packs which will also help.  Keep in mind birth control pills usually have an expiration date of about a year, so plan accordingly. Obviously for long term menstrual suppression, Lybrel would be the ideal COC choice, as there would be less hassle with insurance.  Mirena is effective for 5 years.  You must consult with your physician to make sure that any of these choices will be safe for you.

For some of you that may choose not to suppress your period or do suppress then run out COC’s or find that your hormonal birth control has ceased to be effective then dealing with menses will be a different ballgame.

We all know of the common options available, maxi pads and tampons.  If in a SHTF situation, I would highly suggest tampons, as Female emergency preparednessthey are less messy.  A lesser known internal option available is a Diva cup or Instead cup.  They take a little getting used to but are also worn internally and can be worn up to 12 hours.  The Instead cups are disposable and worn just below the cervix, behind the pubic bone.  The Diva cup is a reusable washable option.  Diva cups are worn lower, similar to tampon placement.  Ultimately, a product like the Diva Cup is going to be best option since it is reusable, you wont have to stockpile them.  The Instead cups do allow you to have “clean” sex, since they collect the fluid right below the cervix.

This leads me to another topic along the same thread, dealing with sex in a SHTF situation.  Condoms are really the most effective barrier method and if SHTF that isn’t going to change.  Again, stockpiling condoms will be necessary if you plan on being sexually active.  Even if you have a committed partner, eventually hormonal birth control will run out.  A diaphragm is another alternative to hormonal birth control.  A diaphragm is reusable and is between 84%-94% effective when used correctly with spermicide.  If you have a committed partner then this may be the best choice for you.  Although not as effective as condoms, a diaphragm would require less stockpiling.

Dealing with childbirth in this scenario is not going to be easy.  Finding sanitary conditions and supplies available may be next to impossible.  Irregardless, I realize that no hormonal birth control is 100% and some women may already find themselves pregnant in an emergency situation.  All women should read up on emergency childbirth how to just in case.  Obviously, clean linens, hot water, pads, and Betadine are going to be essentials.  “Emergency Childbirth” by Dr. Gregory White would be a good read for preparing yourself.

Some women may also find themselves wondering if they will have to trade sex for food and supplies.  This is not something I SHTF Sexcould ever see myself personally doing, but I have also never been starving, never needed shelter, etc.  I believe we all need to think about this.  I realize this may sound repulsive to most, but if you are in dire straights, humans find themselves doing all kinds of things they never previously considered.  Obviously, this is going to be a personal choice but no matter how prepared you think you are, chances are at one point you may run out of supplies.  Mentally preparing yourself for just how bad things may really get is going to be necessary to survive.

One way to reduce this risk is by starting to build up supplies of potential barter items (click on these two articles for barter item ideas – One & Two).  While this is not full proof in a dire situation, it is one idea to protect yourself from having to compromise your body in a SHTF scenario.

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wyzyrdap July 3, 2011 at 5:33 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with everything that Valerie has said here.

"Emergency Birthing Kits" are not that expensive, online, and are a good thing to stockpile. You could become the local, much-valued midwife, or maybe save your own life if you you have an 'oops' and hit yourself in the foot with an axe. (this is not a sexist-statement – anybody can get distracted – having everything in 1 package is just handy, and and may keep you from bleeding to death) Get training in First Aid and EMT.

For the guys reading this, a reality check… No, it ain't gonna be a fantasy scenario. There will NOT be an endless line of "post-apocalyptic babes in tight leather who want to re-populate the earth" lining up. You're going to be with your family and friends.You're going to be hoeing weeds in a corn patch 90% of the time. Consider a vasectomy before TSHTF. Hurts for about 30 seconds, uncomfortable a couple days (stock up on bags of frozen peas, trust me..), and your partner has a LOT less to worry about.

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CaptBart July 4, 2011 at 6:41 am

I agree in general, especially the kits and training. I'm not sure I agree about the vasectomy. While I understand your point, and it is one to be considered, you won't be able to reverse the operation post TEOTWAWKI. Children are the future, assuming there is one, and a decision taken now to never have a child is one that may well be regretted after the new 'normal' is established. The last couple of UN population reports say there are too many people in the 'Executive Summary' but if you actually read the entire report the data says that the population problem is not enough people to support the culture in a great many areas. I would be very careful about making an irreversible decision that will absolutely effect your survival in the out years of a disaster.

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T Bonham August 2, 2011 at 10:09 am

30 Seconds??? I wish, try 80 minutes of pure torture! 8 years later I still rememebr the pain, wish I had your doc if you only experienced 30 seconds of a little discomfort, I would rather have a root canal again without the drugs than have another vasectomy.

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david24 October 10, 2011 at 9:37 am

a vasectomy? fuck that. some of us want a son one day. if you need it that bad pack a dildo and die alone.

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mr.keltec December 6, 2012 at 11:59 pm

I agree with you except for the delivery. Next time try it with a little more class.

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okprepper July 17, 2012 at 5:19 pm

The "V" club (vasectomy)! My "V" lasted about 15 minutes start to finish. NO SCALPEL was used but instead a very tiny instrument that "Clicked" and made a tiny incision. The only pain was the original injection of "Lidocaine" to numb everything. I propped myself up on elbows and watched everything and it was amazingly simplistic. I'm no Dr. or Surgeon but the procedure is so simple I swear I could do it after watching once. No stitches were needed because he cauterized the cut. I've dug out splinters that were more invasive than a vasectomy. The only other discomfort was the 2 or 3 days afterwords which can be avoided as long as you sit on a doughnut pillow or just make sure the "BOYS" don't get mashed or sat on. No pressure on them for 2 days and you won't have any pain…… Honestly, it's incredibly simplistic, fast and easy.

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CaptBart July 3, 2011 at 6:54 pm

Well written with much to think about. The good news is that women have been having babies ever since there has been a human race and most of the time there are few complications. I delivered a baby in the back of an army jeep in Viet Nam (long war story). Fortunately for me, saying 'I delivered' means I caught the baby as it was delivered, wrapped him up to stay warm and drove to a medical facility. No complications and momma did all the work. Had their been problems it would have been much tougher. Learning how now will help, even if it is not a member of your group, you may still be called on to deliver the child. At least find out HOW so that you can if you must.

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bob July 3, 2011 at 9:53 pm

good post. good information..

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Rickaccused July 4, 2011 at 8:36 am

This is all extremely valuable information for men as well. Especially if your partner isn't as dedicated to prepping or survival as you are. You will need to know how to adequately provide for them or help them provide for themselves even in areas that most men aren't comfortable. A great read! Thanks Val

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TINDERWOLF July 4, 2011 at 10:38 am

Good article, it is good to hear from a women's perspective for these scenarios. While this information doesn't really pertain to me it does to my family and is something to think about and possibly get in order. I definitly don't agree with getting my self "fixed". I have enough self control in that area that if another child would be too hard to care for in that situation than you don't have sex. But if you are able to care for a family well than we need children to continue the good fight. Thanks for the post.

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CBMB July 4, 2011 at 11:17 am

The article was somewhat informative. I let me wife read it and she stopped half way through and gave me the computer back. I don't think she thought it was very good either.

The comment above about the guys getting fixed, seems a bit extreme. It goes both ways. If a woman doesn't want any more kids she can get her tubes tied. I know it's a lot more serious procedure, but there is more than one way to not have kids. A surgical procedure for either gender is not the only choice,
It takes two to tango, and like you said, people will be pretty tired after working all day to stay alive, to even think of a roll in the hay, literally.

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The_Mastermind September 1, 2011 at 4:19 pm

I do think you underestimate people my dear friend.

Humans lived in likely worse conditions than we would if TSHTF and we are here still. The urge for reproduction is greater than you give it credit for. A friend of mine once said that there was "No such thing as too tired to wank" and I would have to imagine that it would be the same for sex. So after a hard day, maybe you two need release. And lets say that's not the case. Rape happens enough in an organized society. For a lone person who stumbles across a woman (or man, but that wouldn't probably be a reproduction issue.) what might happen. Well, that's my take on it at least.

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John Hawg Ham Hunter July 4, 2011 at 4:40 pm

Good post. Valerie very concisely poses solutions to a number of issues the women need to consider. Guys, let's not have our heads in the preverbial sand (all the time) and realize the fair sex will be part this gig as well. Yall (us) macho types sit around loading up our 30-round mags, and doing what men do to save ourselves and the family, all the while tending to forget what extra things the women have to deal with and then there are the kids. Again I mention to watch the fiction scenario Fallen Skies on TNT. Forget the alien connection and pay attention to the command and control of the unit and how it works to secure supplies and how they are living. You may not think it realistic for a 12 or 16 year old to be toting an AR, but then how do we know what might be required.
While we focus on everything else, let's identify a good woman to help us out and have a decent share of respect for their needs that will be different from ours.

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Minarchist_1776 July 5, 2011 at 6:27 am

Quoting John Hawg Ham Hunter:

"… You may not think it realistic for a 12 or 16 year old to be toting an AR, but then how do we know what might be required. "

I'm not familiar with the program that you're referring to, but depending on what actually goes down arming the kids may be a practical solution to some of the problems a group is facing. Indeed, I remember one post that I saw on a bulletin board when the federal "gun free school zones" topic came up. A lady posted from a remote part of Alaska claiming that if they weren't able to arm the older children with .357 and .44 magnum revolvers to take care of potential problems with carnivorous critters that it would then be too dangerous to let the kids walk to school.

Historically in this country, lasting up until the 1960's and possibly later in some sections, having kids help extend the family food supply by hunting was a vital part of the family food plan. I have talked to many an older guy who remembers being able to tote their hunting rifle and or shotgun in the back of their pickup truck for use after they got out of school and that nobody even so much as raised an eyebrow over it.

Indeed, my only objection to the scenario that John referred to would be giving the kids ARs as opposed *real* rifles ;-) , but then my biases on that subject are well known to those who have been following these boards for long enough :-) . And much as I dislike the AR and the round it's chambered for, hunting *small* game is not an unreasonable use for that weapon and caliber.

As to the larger issues raised by the lady who wrote the article here, I'm afraid that one thing that is going to have to be faced by a lot of women is that depending on exactly what happens when SHTF, probability approaches statistical certainty that "women's liberation" will be a dead letter. Absent all the lovely technology we have which has transformed the modern home with so many labor saving devices, somebody is going to have to put in a lot more old fashioned work and elbow grease getting the domestic chores done. Somebody is going to have to do a lot more work when it comes to raising the kids, especially in an environment where "day care" is a thing of the past. Indeed, absent powdered baby formula and a good supply of drinkable water, or goats and cows; somebody is going to have to be able to feed the babies in a manner that men are not equipped to.

Also, family size is another subject which may have to be reconsidered. In our modern civilization children are seen as more of a drain on family resources than an asset, and our modern medical facilities and care that is available have reduced infant and childhood mortality to the point that it is the lowest it has ever been in human history. SHTF wipes out most of that technology, and all of a sudden children can come in real handy because the need for people to do more things by hand has increased the average household's need for people to do stuff, and there are a large number of domestic tasks which can be reasonably taken care of by children with minimal supervision by a responsible adult. Furthermore the breakdown of our medical services essentially guarantees that infant and child mortality can't help but increase regardless of how careful people are with their kids and the tasks they assign them. So you're going to need more kids to offset the increased demands for labor to run the household as well as to offset the increased loss of children due to a wide variety of different problems that are almost nonexistent today.

In conclusion, there are so many potential problems posed by SHTF where women are concerned that one can only hope and pray that all of this remains an academic exercise, while preparing as best one can to deal with the problems should they arise.

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CaptBart July 5, 2011 at 9:19 am

14 yr old kids should not be toting AR's – that's why General Mikhail invented the Avtomat Kalashnikov. In truth the AK47 is probably the gun used by more under the age of 16 than any weapon in the world. You are quite correct in recognizing that the family structure will revert to a more late 1800's model than the post 1990's flavor. Another factor is what to do with the surviving children when one or both parents are killed. Care for the young and the old will become big issues post TEOTWAWKI.

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Mike Uher July 31, 2011 at 9:15 pm

With regards to the AR argument, weight is going to be an issue. The AR may have a smaller cartridge, but that was the whole point if I recall (though I can only say what I have read, as my experience is limited to 8 years as an infantry men, post 2000). The AK is a great weapons system, its overall weight with regards to the ammo is higher than that of the AR (I would have to weigh the mags again, but I believe it was a half a pound difference between the 30 rd AK mag, and the 30 rd AR mag). then again, I am very biased toward the AR, but realize that what you use is what you know.
I have tried to think of ways to make a SHTF scenario easier for my wife, and there are alot of things that I just have no idea about. I am a guy, built like a guy, thinking like a guy, wanting to do guy things. I cant think like lady, so just about all the info is this article was excellent. I didnt know there was a menstrual control setup that was reuseable. That is kick ass info. That means maxipads and tampons can be used for other things (sterile bandages are nice, but what are the likelihood that you will have enough?)
My contention come into play with regards to birth control. Its not a hit or miss. there is a scientific way to either have, or avoid a pregnancy. Granted, not method is 100% effective except complete abstinence, but there are ways to lessen your odds (or increase them) without pills or surgery. I would suggest Natural Family Planning as a place to start. It is the method that my wife and I use, and it has worked for us. Give it a look.
Also, I would recommend John Ringo's "Council War Series" as another story about a collapse. The first book would be the better of the four, but it brings up some good points. What shape will society take after a major collapse? What skills or trades are you going to need to make it all work? What happens if major factions begin to emerge and start to feud or war? What happens when women get their periods again(teaser, you have to read to find out more). how do you teach others the skills they will need to rebuild our society, and how do you select who will do what jobs? I will warn you that it is a science fiction novel, but it is well worth the read. BTW, the first book is called, "There will be Dragons".

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Minarchist_1776 August 2, 2011 at 6:50 am

Trying to avoid [but with this replay failing:-) ] turning this into a just another AR vs .308 discussion …

It really all boils down to what you want the weapon in question to be able to do. I will agree that weight and recoil are factors that have to be considered. However, the unfortunate reality is that as long as we use weapons that fall under the constraints of Newton's laws that you're really not going to get reasonable performance without going to a weapon that has a certain amount of weight and also generates a certain amount of recoil.

I am not an infantry combat veteran, but I've been reading military history for decades as well as keeping half an eye on various different ballistics trends. I have also given some thought to how various "military" considerations have a tendency to break down in a survival situation. As far as our modern military is concerned, you could just about get away with dressing infantry grunts up in pink tutus and "arming" them with feather dusters. By the time you factor in all the other weapons they have available such as hand grenades, various different grenade launchers, machine guns, mortars, heavy artillery, air strikes on call, not to mention the ability to get airborne resupply of thousands of rounds of ammunition on demand, their personal weaponry is almost irrelevant. At least that's the way the high command seems to look at it, which at least partially explains why the AR platform has lasted so long in military usage.

Now look at a survival situation. If you can't make it happen with what you have on hand and do so by expending as little ammunition as possible, you're probably going to end up dead. This puts a premium on personal weapons that have sufficient horsepower to get the job done with one shot.

All of which begs the question, what is the job you want done? If that job is hunting small game, or arming somebody who for whatever reason literally can't handle a heavier weapon, then much as I dislike the AR I have to admit that it's not an unreasonable weapon for that niche.

If on the other hand the niche that you're looking at involves heavy defensive use against large numbers of people [which is a situation you want to avoid in a survival context, but might not be able to] or defense against large dangerous game, or the ability to hunt large game, or the ability to disable various different types of vehicles and assorted pieces of equipment, then you're going to need something heavier than an AR chambered in .223. My choice for that sort of use is one of the older battle rifle clones (Springfield Armory M-1A, FN/FAL or G-3/HK-9) chambered in .308. Yes, such a weapon coupled with several hundred rounds of ammo in magazines is a lot heavier than the AR and its ammo + magazines. Yes, such a weapon will kick noticeably harder than an AR (though the G-3/HK-91 is recoil operated, just remember no cheek weld). But it will also handle the tougher jobs light years better than an AR will. After all, if the AR is such an excellent all around platform, why do the snipers and designated marksmen use rifles chambered in .308 and heavier calibers?

As far as the ladies go, if you're dealing with somebody who literally is petite enough that they can't handle the various .308 battle rifles, but you want to give her something heavier than a standard AR, then you might want to look at AR variants chambered in 6.5 mm Grendel or 6.8 mm Remington SPC. This has the disadvantage that the ammo for them will not be as readily findable in a survival setting as either .308 or .223 will be, but if you lay in enough ammo ahead of time you can minimize that problem. And it will provide them with a more effective weapon than the baseline AR at a cost that's not too unreasonable given what you'd shell out for either a .308 battle rifle clone or a good AR.

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Ranger2000 June 4, 2012 at 12:36 pm

I am an airborne ranger, infantryman, and combat veteran. I am also a hunter and enjoy the wilderness. I will say that i own both .223 and .308 weapons. I also own many other calibers, all of which have good and bad qualities to them. This AR .223 vs .308 argument is a bit silly. There are many reasons the military uses AR-15/M-4/AR .223, and not all are valid for use as an all-around, SHTF type weapon. The ammunition used in combat is FMJ, which is horrible for most applications, including trying to kill a person in combat. It is IMO less humane than more lethal rounds.

If the argument is power, then .308 is not the ultimate in power for snipers. We see folks with .50 cal sniper rifles that are very effective and reach great distances, we also see folks use smaller calibers as snipers. The key to that is this, snipers know where and how to shoot someone. You can shoot a .308 poorly and not get the intended result, or shoot a .22 LR well and get the desired outcome.

If versatility is the key, I like .243 Winchester. I have used it in competitions, for hunting, and for target. it is the baby brother of the .308, which I like. I'm not saying it is the best round out there, but I like it. I have 4 remington 700, one in 22-250, one in .308, one in .243 Win, one in 7mm Rem Mag. I love them all. I have some AR and some pistols. Somehow, my favorite, and the one always ready to go with all loaded magazines and goes to the range every single time is my Ruger 10/22. Can it kill something? Sure. Can it defend me? Sure, to an extent. Can it get dinner? Absolutely. More people die from .22 gunshot wounds than any other caliber.

For Urban combat, which seems like you think is likely due to the fact that you might have to shoot a bunch of people, then the AR, especially with a good set up, is much better than an M1 replica for clearing a room, going up stairs, waking down hallways, or anything that might have to react quickly in order to save your life.

In general, I would say avoid shooting folks. Shooting anyone can makes their buddy want to come shoot you. He might be better at it than you, and then where will be? If you cannot avoid it, shoot well, with whatever round you have in your rifle. If you place the shot well, the target doesn't care what caliber it was.

And as for the comment about the modern military in pink tutus and feather dusters, you are clearly not reading military history. If you were, you would know that no wars have ever been won without men on the ground, winning battles. You can't open fire on a building without thinking of what or who is in it? Are you serious? Grunts, as you call them, have to walk and clear those buildings. Some even did it so that you could have the right to choosing your beloved .308 over .223 and live a life that allows you to worry about such trivial and irrelevant things, instead of having to protect your home from chaos, anarchy, or a tyrannical government. I have a couple of friends that would love to hear your thoughts on the pink tutus. Why don't you go down to Ft Benning and share that with them. I am sure they would love to show you that even in a pink tutu they can probably defend themselves better with their bare hands than you can with a .308.

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Minarchist_1776 June 4, 2012 at 2:06 pm

I could have worded that better. In all honesty the people who would (theoretically at least) put the grunts in pink tutus and feather dusters would be flag level officers more interested in advancing politically correct notions to further their careers than combat effectiveness and bean counters trying to save a buck. By arming the grunts with M-16's they have almost gotten away with the feather duster part. By admitting open homosexuals in the ranks (something that would have been unthinkable when I was in) they may have come closer to the pink tutu scenario than bears commenting on.

Note that while I prefer battle rifles chambered in .308, I can get by without one. The only real reason that one of your buddies would have an advantage over me in personal combat is that my reaction speed and general physical condition aren't quite what they were 30 years ago. Other than that you guys generally (granted though that exceptions are likely to exist) aren't trained to the standards that I was when I was studying martial arts.

Adam July 4, 2012 at 9:39 pm

With a few exceptions (not all of which would apply to every woman), women can perform almost all the same chores and tasks as men. Your suggestion that they are "going to have to" revert to 1950s gender roles in terms of homemaking and childcare is insulting to any capable woman and any man who has spent time with one. I'm a man, and I am excellent at organization, handling people, cleaning house, and shooting a pistol. I am fair at cooking, rifle shooting, and heavy labor, and I am terrible at carpentry and plumbing. In a survival situation, division of labor should be based on skill and necessity, not your outdated gender roles. If a woman in my group can shoot a rifle better than me (I have known a woman like that) then I would expect her to hunt while I wash socks or look after the children. I am not ashamed to ask a woman to do what you might consider a man's work, just as I am not ashamed at my ability to shoot a man to the ground with a pistol. There is no shame in practicality.

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Straydog July 5, 2011 at 9:34 am

I love this site! The group and all the contributors seen open enough to discuss anything that "could" be an issue within the bug-out/ survival situations. Great article and well written on a touchy subject Valerie. I see everyone has their opinion regarding Valerie's topics and advice, as it should be. Everyone makes a contribution in their own way. Understandibly the discussion of Vasectomy drew lots of fire. I believe the author made that suggestion in earest, giving me a sense that she left the option open to the individual to decide the route to take. As for me, I had it done when I was 21 y/o, 6 weeks after my first born. Greatest financial move I've ever made in my 53 years!

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Paul July 5, 2011 at 10:11 am

I find it disgusting that the article places pregnancy prevention solely on women.

Why, in a survival situation, would women be the ones required to be sure they don't get pregnant?

I'm slightly surprised the issue of rape wasn't also addressed, and the responsibility still placed upon the women who will inevitably be surviving with everyone else.

While I do agree that it will be very tough dealing with these issues, it is clearly not a women-only issue.

It's also unacceptable to keep calling women fairer, weaker, or anything else other than equals. Hell, imagine trying to survive in an emergency situation while your uterus feels like it's attempting to rip its way through your abdominal wall because of cramps. Yet I work with women who work hard every day, with little complaint about definite discomfort.

People need to stop treating women like a commodity. Women are not on the earth for the sake of sex; men also have to be prepared for sexual encounters, should they be in a long-term survival situation with a sexual partner.

Yeah, sure … you're all going to balk at what I say.

And what also about sexually diverse people? There are more than two genders.

In an extreme survival situation, we are all going to have to deal with each other, as a community, in whatever bug-out areas we live.

But there are many people who will have to deal with bigots who think "White Christian heterosexual" is the only way to be, that women must submit to men as their supposed duty, and won't hesitate to let people die alone in the woods for stupid reasons such as whom someone finds attractive. Or they'll decide women are a barterable commodity.

Human beings are not expendable, regardless of ideology. Nor are people currency. Until people start waking up and realizing that, this world is already a dangerous place.

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JonM1911 July 8, 2011 at 9:21 pm

Um….did you even read the article? You completely missed the point and what everyone else said about it…Then again maybe that was YOUR point…

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-DB July 12, 2011 at 8:49 pm

You said, "But there are many people who will have to deal with bigots who think "White Christian heterosexual" is the only way to be, that women must submit to men as their supposed duty, and won't hesitate to let people die alone in the woods for stupid reasons such as whom someone finds attractive. Or they'll decide women are a barterable commodity. "

Spot on sir, spot on. Aside from lotters, bad guys, criminals and the like, those who survive and see the SHTF or TEOTWAWKI event as some sort of divine cleansing is just damn scary. Don't get me wrong I believe in God and Jesus and love my neighbor but happening upon some Christian extremist group post SHTF or TEOTWAWKI, whether your a Christian or not, could kill you as quick as wandering into Osama Bin Laden's cave, pre-SEAL Team 6 (God Bless those sailors).

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Valerie July 28, 2011 at 11:46 am

I did not place pregnancy prevention solely on women…..the majority of the article was addressing menstruation and menstrual suppression, which is done with hormonal birth control.

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Andrew August 1, 2011 at 2:40 pm

"There are more than two genders."

On an alien planet, maybe. Here on Earth, we are male or female; aside from that would qualify as being freakish. No one needs CHUDS wandering around.

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PolishPrepper84 October 13, 2011 at 9:15 pm

Actually, there are five (5) genders. Besides, gender is merely a social construction; as are race and religion. :)

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bob davidson April 16, 2012 at 5:25 am

Paula, get a clue. As far as the weaker-fairer sex, there is a difference b/w men and women. As you stated the ladies have severe cramps and you are the ones who carry and bare the children. Which is the reason females in teotwawko should be responsible for pregnacy. Although women should have equal rights, compare men and women and its like apples and oranges. Not better or worse, just different. You should want it to be.
With the "white christian hetersexual", that is the way it is supposed to be. It is Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

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mr.keltec December 7, 2012 at 1:50 am

its not a matter of keeping women bare foot and pregnant. It is a fact that women are the fairer, weaker race. They arent built the same in those aspects. Not to say they arent equal overall, even superior in lots of ways.

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Kevinthenurse July 5, 2011 at 11:39 am

I agree with the reasoning behind birth prevention. I'm just hessitant to encourage hormone type birth control in order to stop menses. I have seen so many females with deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary thrombosis (mostly from the birth control + cigarettes). A pulmonary embolism is not the way I would want to see anyone leave this world. To each their own. Thats just my $.01 (was $.02 till the economy went to sh*t)

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JeanneS July 13, 2011 at 1:21 pm

My 22-year-old daughter was recently hospitalized for 3 days for pulmonary thrombosis! How serious was it? If this had happened after TEOTWAWKI, she would have been DEAD.

The doctors told us it was almost certainly from taking birth control pills (and she had previously been using Implanon, a 3-year hormonal contraceptive implant). She's always been slim & healthy and there's no family history of anything like this — this struck without warning! People who promote hormonal contraception might want to consider that my little girl was on high doses of morphine for 4 DAYS because of the agonizing pain of this condition, and often even that didn't help reduce the pain very well. She will be on blood thinners (which are dangerous enough in their own right, that she must have blood tests weekly to make sure the levels don't poison her!) for at least 6 months to keep clots from re-forming and killing her. And she can never use hormonal birth control again in her life.

Do you want to face going through something like that, or watching your wife or daughter suffer unbearably or die because "the pill" was so convenient?

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Valerie July 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm

I am terribly sorry to hear that your daughter suffered. I wouldn’t say that I “promote” HBC, I was simply trying to make women aware of options. Some medicines interact terribly with certain people. Many women can safely use HBC with no problems. I feel for you and your daughter and I hate that you both had to go through that. I hope the best for her in the future.

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NurseKC July 29, 2011 at 6:35 pm

ITA with you …I would also go a bit further and say that due to the risk of TSS (albeit a low risk) I would steer clear of the Tampons and anything else that would prevent the body from properly "cleansing itself". I have been stock piling maxi pads for me and my 2 daughters and just in case the SHTF lasts longer than my supply of "peel and stick" pads..I have also been stocking up on the cloth baby diapers so that we can wash and reuse..if absolutely necessary. Also stock piling probiotics to help keep yeast infections at bay might be a good idea too.

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Mike Uher July 31, 2011 at 9:24 pm

Not something a guy like me would have thought of. Thanks for the info. What would a reusable option be, that would be external? The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a rag (not trying to be mean) as you can wash it out and reuse it. would having some set aside for that reason be a good move?

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badvoodoodaddy July 5, 2011 at 12:57 pm

Defiantly food for thought. I never really thought about this part of prepping but I am glad that it was brought up. Having responsible sex is going to be even more important than ever if SHTF. We wont have clinics and hospitals to help us with this sort of stuff. I know women have had babies for centuries with out the aid of drugs and hospitals. If it is done right and the proper preps are in place it should be safe and a new life will come into the world.

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John July 5, 2011 at 1:35 pm

Continued good commentary. In my reference to the TV show and its SHTF we have to realize this is "Hollywood's" version yet so much of it could prove out true. I guess we all hope for the best case in a worse case scenario in that in the worst SHTF the balance would eventually be restored by the existing government or a new one. I'd hate to think we had to revert back to the 1800s but who knows. When I was a kid growing up in rural Missouri, it was nothing to take the .410, cross over the back yard fence and go stalking rabbits or quail. Technically I was trespassing, but no landowner ever stopped us not once. We behaved and respected the private property though, or our parents would have cleaned our plows. Guns in cars and trucks at school was a regular thing. Now, never to be that way again. Thanks to the Great Society.
So, kids might not should know how to use an AR or an AK, but then they just might. We can only guess what will happen when the wireless goes dead, and the last of the AAs are used up.

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T.Rapier July 7, 2011 at 1:21 am

Fantastic article indeed !!!!!!!
Why topics like this are constantly ignored on survival sites is doing the community a big disservice . Too many dudes i guess .
Not to mention way too many weapon articles . Lets face it , we all know how ( or should ) to shoot a gun and 223 vs 7.62 threads are a dime a dozen and pointless . Unless your a total looser or a fudgepacker , we all have wives or girlfriends that we plan to hold on to . This kind of read is important to those we tend to ignore on these sites . Bravo SC for stepping up to the plate !

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Minarchist_1776 July 7, 2011 at 5:40 pm

" … and 223 vs 7.62 threads are a dime a dozen and pointless."

Heresy! [Gets out super soaker full of Holy Water and sprays T. Rapier with it.] :-)

On a more serious note I think such threads do have their place, but it doesn't take too long before the adherents of both sides in such a thread end up beating the dead horse repeatedly.

I definitely agree though that there is a lot more to survival than firearms and caliber selection and the article we're discussing here covered things that needed to be discussed. One of the reasons that I like SC is because it does a better job of going into all aspects of survival than any other site I've seen.

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JonM1911 July 8, 2011 at 9:26 pm

Or you choose to be single b/c you're finishing your college degree, work full time, and are training to go through Army OCS and eventually Ranger School…none of which fall under the "looser" or "fudgepacker" category. I'm actually quite complacent being single, no drama, no money strains, and really don't have the time to relinquish to a committed relationship to be honest. And yes, while this is an important subject, firearms topics are important as well…the most important of which is that the 5.56 is better then all other rounds (note this was sarcasm).

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CaptBart July 10, 2011 at 5:28 pm

Jon,
you sound like me when I was 16 and trying for Colorado Springs and the academy; already had an in with my congreeman. Then I met this 5 foot tall, blue eyed Texas lass and the rest, as they say, is history. And a wonderful 42 years of history it has been. I don't argue at all with what you are saying or doing; I just think that one day, perhaps soon, you may be very pleasantly surprised. At least, I hope you are because THAT adventure is the best in the world.

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JonM1911 July 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm

Oh don't get me wrong, I want to get married and have kids. Retire in the country somewhere…haha. Anyways, just haven't found the right one and I'm not going to stress about it at the moment, it'll come. I'm only 22 so theoretically I have the rest of my life ahead of me, though anything can happen at any time. Unfortunately finding a good conservative girl is not easy these days. Counting on the move south to help with that, slim pickings from what I've experienced up north haha.

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T.Rapier July 23, 2011 at 1:05 pm

Well , perhaps its American women that are the problem . I didnt used to think so until I met my current girl . Russian women are very different in my age group , especially if they grew up during the days of the Soviet Union . They are very blunt and direct , very conservative ( like we used to be ) in most areas , but have the european openness about sex . PC is not in their culture . Not overly emotional , stoic with no attitude of entitlement . For me , its just what the doctor ordered . The sexy vampire accent doesn’t hurt either ;) She has me so spoiled that I’m pretty sure I will never date another American woman ever again . Cultures do make a difference .

T.Rapier July 23, 2011 at 1:34 pm

In your case , I do believe its a choice by what you have described , like a business man putting his career first . However , most guys that are single , are single not by choice , but because they are unappealing in some way . I know a guy in his 50′s that says he’s single by choice . But the truth is he isn’t . He smokes pot constantly , takes pills , is out of shape , lives in a studio apartment and plays video games all day when not at work . You tell me what woman that isn’t a homeless crack-head would want that ? You see it all around you . Then there is the other type , The what I call ” Macho ” guy . You know what Macho stands for ? Male Attempt to Conceal Homosexual Obsessions . This is the guy that hangs around other dudes whenever possible , does dip shit guy things , cant hold a conversation with a woman if its not about sports , etc . , has no female friendships , is very fearful of his image ( the dudes again ) . This guy isn’t single by choice , he’s single because he’s an a$$hole ! I could go on , but you get the idea . These guys are single because they are defective .

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Jenn July 9, 2011 at 6:20 pm

Thank you for this article, I would be good to also mention how women got along before the advent of tampons and pads, and cups and birth control etc. As a woman, or a man taking precautions for women who are not as into the whole survival/prepper thing, please take some time to look these things up. Before tampons and pads women used rolled up fabric, or suede literally strapped to one leg much like an extremely high garter belt in order to catch the flow (no underwear to tack it in) but obviously this could be adapted for underwear… Also a side note, animals can smell the menses really well. And sadly nothing attracts hungry wild animals like blood. So beyond these as a woman two things I really worry about when tshtf is wild animals and rape.

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VetJim July 14, 2011 at 1:03 am

Jenn, the first thing my wife (who is very not into prepping) says is," Who the hell is going to want sex, male or female, after working hard all day with not much in the way of facilities for hygene." I agree and disagree. As for the rape part, I have a daughter too and she shoots almost as well as I, so my hope is that they would be able to protect themselves if I couldn't.

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NurseKC July 29, 2011 at 6:39 pm

Well you can look at the "wild animal scenario" another way…we can use our crotches to bait them in and then BANG..we got supper:)

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-DB July 12, 2011 at 8:39 pm

Great article from a point of view I never considered. I always have to pack the tampons and pads in the BOBs and at the bug out locations because my wife is not a big believer. She should pray long and hard that she remains "right" about somehting bad never happening, but that is another topic.

I do have a question though. I watch a lot of Discovery and NatGeo and recently watched a show about amish teenagers (16 years old or so) venturing into the "real" world. It is always interesting to see their point of view but this article makes me think. What the hell are amish women doing every month to deal with this issue? Seems like there is a fair amount of SHTF/TEOTWAWKI information we could glean from amish or others who lead a more humble life. Just a thought. Thanks for the article. I will have my wife read it.

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FF V July 13, 2011 at 2:33 pm

Great write up on some of the things people don’t or don’t want to think about. From an emergency responders point of view it is always great to read on these types of things for Education but the only way to learn is to get your hands dirty find a class through American heart Assoc. or red cross and be better prepared than 90% of the population.

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no peeking July 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm

I have nightmares about women with hairy armpits and legs or even faces in a survival situation.

Sex in the dark is the best way I can think of to get around that.

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T.Rapier July 24, 2011 at 1:32 pm

No , you would get used to it and after awhile not think anything of it . Europeans , depending on what country , think nothing of not taking a bath or shaving every day . I met a drop dead gorgeous woman from Sweden one time . She was so fair that I only noticed that she didnt shave her legs until the light hit them just right . At that point ( after the initial surprise ) it made no difference . My sweety is from Russia , she does shave her legs and armpits but doesn’t take a bath every day , again shes a european . In reality , it can actually be a turn on ;)

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mr.keltec December 7, 2012 at 2:16 am

I have nightmares too! Mine is that I lose class and say whatever comes into my mind.

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Magnolia66 July 14, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Hormones are not an option for me as I have high blood pressure & had a heart attack @ 39. I had a tubal many years ago & pregnancy is out of the picture. I've tried the Diva & it was very uncomfortable. I've broached the subject w/elderly female friends/family & they said they made their own reusable pads from cotton flour sacks w/cotton stuffing & wore a belt around their waist to hold it up. They wore dresses w/layers of petticoats so leakage was not as much of a problem as it would be for modern women wearing pants. My Mother also told me that she had owned a pair of panties w/a plastic/waterproof lined crotch. I'm stocking up on tampons but I'm also going to make some 100% cotton pads & experiment w/making a couple of sets of lined panties.

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Magnolia66 July 14, 2011 at 2:37 pm

As a woman it doesn't hurt my feelings that many men think of me as the weaker/fairer sex. It really gives me the advantage of surprise. Go ahead & underestimate the resourcefulness, strength, patience, will power & guts that hide behind these big blue eyes. Women of all shapes, creeds, colors, sizes & nationalities stood beside their men to help turn a wilderness into the great country we have today. I aim to take up the yoke beside my man, do what it takes to survive & make my ancestors proud! Our responsibilities & contributions to our family & community, while different, are no less important & do not lessen our importance.

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mr.keltec December 7, 2012 at 2:17 am

Good attitude!

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LJM July 15, 2011 at 12:50 pm

Trade sex for food and supplies!!!!!????? Better write an article about how we might need to murder and steal to survive too. And if survival is all that matters…..then how to safely get yourself into a concentration camp…..you know….to survive.

This article is a joke…..never attack a problem from a position of weakness. Women….keep your morals, keep your integrity, keep your bodies……no matter what.

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bob davidson April 16, 2012 at 5:34 am

The writer didnt say she was going to turn hooker. She stated that "in dire straights, humans find themselves doing all kinds of things they never previously considered."

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mr.keltec December 7, 2012 at 2:22 am

I'd bet most would do things that they now say there's no way in hell they'd ever do when they are watching their family or kids starve or even die. It's a sad, true fact that most everyone today is ALL about themself and with no compassion. Now with this said, imagine a world with no law. A dog eat dog world.

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PrepperMommy July 19, 2011 at 11:22 pm

Any woman who says that she wouldn't do WHATEVER she deems necessary to feed her kids is a liar. Unless you've been in that situation, there is no way to judge what you will or won't do, but i am here to tell you, as a mother, I will do WHATEVER necessary to make sure that my children aren't hungry.

Am I stockpiling food? Prepping? Making an escape route? Yep.

If my kids haven't eaten in 3 days am I willing to "give it up?" Dang straight I am.

Look at it like another valuable resource, an option, whatever, but don't be so high and mighty that you lie to yourself and others and say that you would let your kids starve instead of a roll in the hay.

Not to mention the fact that as a mother you have to be willing to offer yourself up over your children. Stop and think about all the stories of too-young girls being raped in times of crisis. I remember reading an article about a mother who ran in fear and left her 12 year old daughter to be devoured by a gang of men. While that may have happened in other countries, don't for one second think that it can't happen here. Sacrificing oneself for our children is what mothers do. Or it should be.

No matter what that means.

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jessiecrafty1 March 8, 2012 at 11:27 pm

thank you. at least now i know im not the only one. you very much said what i was thinking.

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star May 25, 2012 at 5:58 pm

I believe having some sort of chastity belt in the kit can help, for both genders, as anti feminist as this sounds

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Terry December 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Here is an idea learn how to hunt , fish , trap and what edible plant life is.

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wyzyrdap July 29, 2011 at 7:51 pm

I think we all need to remember that a TSHTF event means just that: THE SH*T HAS HIT THE FAN – all bets are off. Rape, and other abominable acts, happen in EVERY war-zone, worldwide. They happened after Hurricane Katrina and just about every other major natural disaster in history. (and XY chromosomes do not make you immune)

While I do hope everyone here will not be a perpetrator of said acts, it is probably a big strategic error to prepare only for "the kind of 'zombies' you are comfortable to think about". You have to try and cover all the possible bases.

personal opinion.. worth exactly what you paid for it.

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CaptBart August 5, 2011 at 8:29 am

"a big strategic error to prepare only for "the kind of 'zombies' you are comfortable to think about" – one of the biggest flaws in planning ANY type of operation, military, police, or survival, is to assume the BGs will do what you expect or, worse from a planning view, what you want them to do. Underestimating your enemy is often fatal – of course OVER estimating you enemy can be just as bad. Planning for an encounter while maintaining a reasonable flexibility for the unexpected is a delicate art. Getting it wrong can lead to legendary consequences – ask George Armstrong Custer.

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Paul August 4, 2011 at 7:12 pm

Please don't forget that with birth control pills there is an increased risk of blood clots. Certain blood types that aren't normally tested for in women prior to a being started on "the pill" can cause serious risks.

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sam August 4, 2011 at 10:28 pm

1) you dudes who act like you're weirded out about vaginas, blood coming out of vaginas, or sex with women who aren't in pristine hygiene, grow up. quit being lame. 50% of all the people in the world have vaginas, it's not strange. you are strange because you've only ever seen like 2 or 3 different vaginas probably, and you hold the vagina with some sort of adolescent esteem.

2) pregnancy should still remain a choice of women, even if a chick gets raped in shtf by some powermonger asshole type, so i hope smart ladies out there totally stock up on birth control AND plan b. guys who think they can completely protect their family are silly. girls grow up and are invariably out of your sight from time to time for the years prior to that. you can never provide complete security. still more lame male posturing and benevolent sexism from keyboard warriors.

3) my wife uses the diva cup and she's a giant fan. most of her girlfriends are weird about it when she tells them. alas, most ladies prefer tampons, though i'm sure that has something to do with marketing than anything else (prolly a good barter item). i think my lovely lady is smart as shit with her diva cup; she saves the family a couple hundred bucks per year just using a simple piece of rubber when aunt flow visits.

4) my magnificent gypsy queen and i use a diaphragm and spermicide. spermicide is easy to stockpile, but a bit pricey. still, a reliable method for a fella who's committed to his lady. my opinion on hormone birth control versus other methods doesn't count, though my wife says that hormonal birth control is pretty risky for many women and that she is unable to take them at all due to mood and health complications she had in college. still, i'm going to stockpile a few plan b's in case someone i know does get raped.

5) finally, JESUS CHRIST you lameasses!!! it's the end of the world as we know it, but i'm still gonna be horny. you guys with situational sex drives are giving your heirs lame genes.

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Valerie August 7, 2011 at 5:45 pm

Sam, you are awesome. I agree with everything you said. Thanks for adding the comment about Plan B. Awesome idea.

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T.Rapier August 7, 2011 at 10:24 pm

Agreed , but a vasectomy is a cheap and foolproof birth control . The others are the plan b at that point . My sweety is all of 5’2″ but as a Russian in my age group , she had to join the red army . She is perfectly able to defend herself to the best of her ability if Something happens to me . End of the world ? remains to be seen . We haven’t gone through the great depression yet . Too many people in the world ? Absolutely ! nature has a way of taking care of that . Whatever happens , we wont go peacefully .
Stars & Bars !

” How much pain they have cost us, the evils which have never happened. ”
Thomas Jefferson

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MjeanM September 6, 2011 at 1:33 pm

What would you suggest for women who’ve had c-sections? Both my children were birthed via c-section. It not suggested that I have a natural birth because of this. Not that I have to worrie for another nine years(I have the paragaurd non-hormonal implant, which might I add has regulated my period. Made it a little longer thanit was before but not as crampy) but I’m just asking.

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alaine October 1, 2011 at 10:32 pm

There are a few sites with step by step instructions on how to make reusable pads. They even suggest which materials. They are also a great source for ideas and info. And quite frankly they seem like a good idea for a bob if you don have enough of a supply.

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Chris December 23, 2011 at 2:52 am

another viewpoint, as a man I have given this issue SOME thought case in point, my mother is German, she left Germany in 1950, she told me of stories of women in her town north of Frankfurt jut after the end of hostilities, even in a small town of 10,000 people life was very hard, my mother was 15 when the war ended, but that didn't stop her seeing German mothers, widowed wives and younger women selling their bodies for food to feed their children and families, often just to survive another day. where she was women had sex with American soldiers and later British soldiers , there was almost no food, there was no police and there was a real SHTF situation .

It left indelible scars on my mother, but the thing is she survived and many many other German women did also, not a nice thing to do, but till a woman is in that situation , you will be astounded what humans will do to live another day. A well written article.

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KansasScout June 15, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Chris I think your mother was lucky she was in the Allied zone of occupied Germany. I heard that for the German women in the Soviet zone life was a real nightmare like out of the worst post apocalyptic horror story. Not that I'm down playing her experiences, it just seems to me as hard as life was for the Germans in the western part of the country their countrymen and women especially the women in the Soviet zone faced organized rape squads and other horrors. For the Western Germans it was a SHTF, but I think for the Osties it was more like TOEWAWKI.

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Survivor Dad October 11, 2012 at 10:37 pm

and you will be amazed what a nice well prepared man will find in a woman with a child when this goes down. if the dollar collapses it will get ugly. im ready to find a good hotty with a child to add to my family.

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Jesse January 11, 2012 at 7:48 pm

Ever heard of a IUD? That beats ever form of birth control you suggested.

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Jesse January 11, 2012 at 7:49 pm

every**

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X April 10, 2012 at 6:30 pm

IUD’s can’t stay in forever and need removing at some point. In a SHTF situation this could be a real problem.

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Dr. Prepper December 1, 2012 at 2:45 am

Paragard is FDA aproved for 10 years and studies show it is still effective long after that… it's not forever but dang close. Romoval of an IUD even after SHTF is a simple matter for a medical practicioner that is familiar with them and has minimal tools. Heck, 3" needle nose pliers, a flashlight, and 2 minutes tops. It's not invasive so there is no need for sterile conditions.

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Okprepper February 15, 2012 at 12:07 am

As a single man in his 40's I've actually thought of all these female issues because I never know if I'll have a female at the time SHTF. Never heard of Diva Cup but I'll be sure to get a few in stock even as a barter item! SEX? Sheesh! We are adults that should have experience to *think outside the box* (literally) and remember intimacy and sexual release can be achieved more ways than one. Who cares if you give up only 1 part of the whole spectrum we call sex! Worst case = take matters into your own hands! I'm part of the "V" club (vasectomy) and I propped myself up on elbows and watched the whole procedure. The Dr. explained everything he was doing and showed me things I never thought I'd see. Honestly, I really believe ANYONE having seen the procedure done could do it themselves. It really is that simplistic.

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jessiecrafty1 February 21, 2012 at 1:04 pm

as a woman i find this article very thought out. would also like to add that the instead softcup now comes in a reusuable version that can last through one menstrual cycle. emergency birth kits are around 10 dollars and come with everything you need to deliver, used one they are great for an uncomplicated birth. i had a tubal and although my chance of pregnancy is low, i am going to stock another birthing kit just in case, besides in a shtf situation maybe someone else can use it. i think men need to consider the vasectomy issue though. it hurts a bit but they are pretty accurate birth control. i had to have major surgery, was hospitalized for days and then spent weeks recovering. basically it should not fall on the womans head to be responsible.

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jessiecrafty1 March 8, 2012 at 11:39 pm

i think that this should be brought to the forfront. we need a preppers guide for women or something. it wasnt until 2 years ago id ever even heard of menstrual cups. now thats all i use. less danger than tampons, less uncomfortable and less leaks than pads. as for birth control, men should consider vasectomies. condoms only last so long. and tubals are harder to heal from, learned that the hard way. the emergency birth or OB kits are availible for around 10 bucks. and they work great, also speaking from experience. people get crazy during survival scenarios and birth control may be the last thing on their minds, sex may be the first. stocking up on plan b will only work for so long. each idea has its ups and downs. personally im stocking condoms as barter items. i get them for free anyway, and if it can help someone its worth it. rape is likely to become an eventuality for women in survival situations. i would rather give it up then be raped. i choose disposable menstrual cups made by instead. they are longer lasting than tampons and they do not have to be washed like cloth pads either.

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SallyD. March 23, 2012 at 7:48 pm

As an RN, I do have several emergency birthing kits in our stockpile. I can not have children anymore, but my services may be required, so might as well be prepared.

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KansasScout June 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm

It would seem to me that in a situation where society has seen a catastrophic change another thing I don't know if you covered it would be staying committed to a single partner, not just to ensure if you're a mother addition protection for your children, but preventive protection versus STDs. The women that after a disaster turn to selling or bartering sex for food will find themselves to be open to the danger of contractioning anyone of a myrid community of sexually transmitted diseases. For her own protection monogamy may be another form of protection especially after the supply of contraceptives has been exhausted.

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ZealsTen August 13, 2012 at 8:10 am

Maybe Survival Cache could have a post on SHTF and women for the many (and growing) numbers of women and families out there who would like to hear more "body and environment friendly" alternatives to dealing with cycles and childbirth.-???

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Dr. Prepper August 26, 2012 at 9:18 pm

In 2006 I had my one L and D (birth) experience, and I was the senior medical person there. My take away from that situation… you can't mop a dirt floor. Even in an uncomplicated birth there is a lot to do and keep track of to include questions like did you get the placenta? All of it? All of both of them (fraternal twins)? My hat is off when it comes to OB's and Nurse Midwives.

The "planning" of pregnancy is for everyone. Unfortunately there are a few hangups when it comes to the male side of the equation. First, barrier methods are the only non-permanent, reliable methods available for men. Vasectomies are all well and good, but there is no "maybe later" to that choice, especially after TSHTF.

This puts a lot of the onus on women to control pregnancies. Beyond what has been talked about earlier (sponges, spermicides, OCP's), there is one option that has been mentioned but only in passing.

Intrauterine devices (IUD's) have been around for a while and have safety and efficacy rates on par with tubal ligation. ParaGard® (copper) has been approved by the FDA for use beyond 10 years (I believe it is now 20 years but I need to look at the literature again). Mirena® contains progesterone and has been approved for seven years, although the progesterone is typically depleted by five years. The safety of IUD's is such at empirical treatment of STDs or PID no longer calls for the removal of the device.

The important thing here is that removal of an IUD is not complicated (but get someone familiar with them, like say… a medical professional), and fertility returns almost immediately if not immediately after removal.

There are a few other practices that can be used to help prevent unplanned pregnancies. The rhythm method and early male withdrawal are problematic at best. There are other methods that I have heard of but I don't know a lot about them so I won't go into details. I am looking into it though (right after I get done taking this round of boards).

By the way, I have served with many a woman in combat. There are many whom I would serve with again in a heartbeat and I know would have my back. I liken the female body to a formula one versus the male muscle car. Higher maintenance, but amazing speed and performance.

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Survivor Dad October 11, 2012 at 10:27 pm

I am a single dad to two younger kids. I am stocked up ans ready to go foe the dollar collapse and shtf. If it turns into starving slow walkers going down the street im ready. i have a group aInd bug out location ready to go. I would like to say this. i dont want to do this without a good woman by my side. In such an event a lot of princess woman will quickly turn/learn into good women. I have secured two extra spaces for a woman and one more child during shtf. In such an event it will be a buyers market and i will find exactly what im looking for. imagine how that discussion on the side of the road is going to go with a beautiful woman with trashed up hair looking like shit with her hungry child. bummer. i dont want some fat lazy ass do nothing woman. i want a hard working family lady who will cook clean and take care of other needs ; ). if she just wants to stay during the emergency then fine. she will have earned her stay. ; )). but i will treat her with respect and gentleness wnd maybe she will stay when its over. although the interview on the street when she is exhausted starving alone with a child walking to her death down a long no end road will be a horrific interview

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Survivor Dad October 11, 2012 at 10:32 pm

For those women who do not prepare this event will be hortific. families will split. father will abandone children. it will be a perfect time to find what i am looking for in a real woman. not one of theee half men woman who yell all the time.like i said those that plan ahead reap the rewards. and my group wont be putting up with any shit when this goes down.

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mr. keltec November 19, 2013 at 9:28 am

what?

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Sherush October 29, 2012 at 9:09 am

I love my menstual cup (Yuuki), cleaner and does not dry me out like a tampon does…. No longer have to stock up on items.

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findumonde November 20, 2012 at 10:15 pm

I use the Mirena and I'm quite happy with it. Some studies show it may even be effective after 5 years. The Paraguard (non-hormonal IUD) is effective for 10 years, but in some cases it can increase menstrual flow, which, let's face it, no one wants in a disaster scenario.

One caution about tampons + survival – beware of toxic shock syndrome. Running and hiking for your life may not be the best time to stop to change a tampon, but it needs to be done. If you can't find time for that, I suggest gladrags, which are washable, reusable, and external.

I highly support the stockpiling of condoms. You may not think sex will be important to you in such critical times, but if you aren't prepared, you will be far more likely to have unprotected sex, and possibly wind up with an infection or a pregnancy – both much more difficult to deal with in a SHTF scenario.

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Jason Strittmeier March 16, 2013 at 6:36 pm

I just stumbled onto this thread. It so far has been a good read. If the SHTF for whatever reason you are going to see things that shock most Americans. Rape and murder en masse will happen. And, later cannabalism due to peeps on the verge of starving that have no concept of getting food from someplace other than a grocery store or your home. NatGeo preppers are nothing but targets. Prepping is important, but unless you have others to protect you as in a tribe, small town setting (aka Jericho), you will be alone. Plan for it. You will killl to defend yourself or you will be raped (man or woman), tortured and maimed, killed and eaten for food. The absolute worse that you can imagine will happen. Politics, wealth in money and gold will mean nothing. Food, water, and other consumables will become the wealth. Bartering will be the economy. But you have to survive to have that. Plan ahead and get over the sight of blood sooner than later. Thanks for listening.

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ImperialDave April 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm

Irregardless is not a word. Don't mean to be too picky.

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Vic April 16, 2013 at 7:45 am

I hate to say this. But for women, when the SHTF, most will be raped. Not all men are like that, but there are so many are, it will be a rapage. Most women can't fight of a man completely. So at least try and have birth control and condoms. You can always beg, even if being raped, that they use a condom. Lie if you have to, that you have something – and hope, that they don't say that they have it to….

Just having some dirty guy in me, would cause a infection. Which would only take about 6 to 24 hrs, for me to be in so much pain and bleeding, that I would want to die. Even with hospitals now. So I don't want to take any chances from anyone, if I can help it.

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Krysten June 15, 2013 at 10:25 pm

Being new to wanting to be prepared (having what could be your only child can do that to you), I've been reading up on as much as I can. This is the first I have come across talking about women, menses, and sex. While it was informative, what about those who are allergic to artificial hormones? I can't eat a lot of meat because most meats produced in mass amounts are feed/injected with artificial hormones. (Let's not forget those steroids!) Practically every form of birth control includes hormones, which leaves me with basically nothing but condoms from what I've been told. As far as a TSHTF situation, it seems I'm screwed as far as birth control goes.

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Dani August 23, 2013 at 4:52 pm

I am not surprised that neither the author or any of the commentators know about using natural sponges for menstrual flow–they aren't as well known as other natural methods. They are illegal to sell them for menses–yeah, a group of women tried but was shut down by the FDA. So, what you do is go to any store that sells cosmetics and look for NATURAL sponges–not all stores sells them, so you might have to go to a health food store. You want a sponge that is roughly egg sized maybe a little larger with small pores ( remember real natural sponges are animals,) you wil want to boil your sponges before using them to sterilize them. Some women sew a string on the end to pull it out. But I never did and never had trouble removing it. You put them in like a tampon and they are very comfortable . I never liked tampons, very uncomfortable, but had no trouble with sponges. As they fill with blood they get heavier and will move back down to where you can grab it. The only problem is taking it out in public restrooms. Modern women aren't used to touching their own blood. You have two options after removal. (1) you can, if comfortable with it, can just squeeze the blood out and reinsert. (2) you can carry a small zip lock bag and a second sponge. Put the used sponge in the bag to rinse out and boil later at home and insert the fresh one.

Boiling the new sponges are very important because natural sponges were animals harvested from the ocean and may contain dirt and ocen debris even if cleaned before sale ( the reason why the FDA doesn't allow sales for internal use).

DO NOT use artificial sponges–they are made from various materials including petroleum products and are not safe. Use only natural sponges– seaside and island women used them for centuries.

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Guest November 1, 2013 at 12:30 pm

* gulp *

Uh, wow.
That was very… straight forward.
Good info. Good… read. Yup.
( 0_0 )

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Anonymous December 18, 2013 at 8:49 pm

After SHTF I think there'll be an initial baby boom (mortality, disease, illness, exposure, malnutrition, and violence will cause the subsequent drop) from all the sex, panic sex, random hook ups, and men taking advantage of women. The birth control supply would eventually dry up when there's no more condoms, when her birth control pills run out at the end of the month, no clinics, no doctors, and no stores for anything else. Spermicides will run out too and the rubber in condoms will degrade over time or in less than ideal conditions. Both condoms and the pill also have expiration dates so stockpiling won't do much good over the long term if the lights aren't coming back on. At that point I doubt many women or men would be in the mood for sex even after just days without showering. I think the best birth control for women and young women is to have a Paragard copper IUD put in before the SHTF. It lasts 10-12 years and maybe even longer, is well tolerated, works better than the pill and is as effective as sterilization, does not have to be taken daily or replaced, is reversible, and can be easily removed if part of the string is outside the cervix. For women who don't want kids or are done having children, having their tubes tied or have Essure coils put in. In case the birth control does fail, then knowing the rhythm method could be useful and/or the pullout method as last resort plus prolonged breastfeeding.

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Grammar Nazi February 2, 2014 at 9:29 pm

The term is "dire straits"

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