4 Types of Base Camps and When to Use Them

Survival Base Camp Types

Choosing the type of base camp you need is dependent on your gear and the current situation. Here are four types of survival base camps I have open to myself that range from overnight emergency cache to permanent defensible shelter.

Article by Survival Cache contributing author Chuck

1. Nomad

Temporary Survival CampThis style base camp is better for groups who pick a remote spot, set up tents/shelters and have a small community. Some even go as far as one big tent for a meeting place and the families then have smaller ones for their homes. The Nomad camp can be erected in little time from start to finish; it takes about two hours to set up and break down.  We found a great product – Family Survival Shelters that are perfect for large groups.

  • Advantages: Speed, Community

  • Disadvantages: Difficult to defend, Not permanent

2. Bunker

Underground Survival BunkerThe bunker is harder because you must to have land to make it a permanent shelter that is hidden from everyone but you and your group. It is difficult to build this style of shelter without everyone knowing unless you have land that is far off the beaten path. It can also cost a lot to make and keep up with.

Some people choose this style because it is much easier to hide. The bunker is also the most defensible type of base camp with limited entrances and advantageous positions.

  • Advantages: Fortified, very Defensible, Can be Hidden

  • Disadvantages: Difficult to Build, Can be Expensive, Usually need your own land

3. Permanent

Survival CabinThis style base camp is great, once again, if you have land off the beaten path and just want to get out before the SHTF. The permanent base camp may be just like a home with walls and a roof. It’s a lot like a cabin many outdoorsmen have for their hunting trips. Ideally it is not hard to get to, but not right out in the open for the whole world to see either. Overall, it is easier to build, but harder to hide than the bunker.

  • Advantages: Good protection from the elements, fairly defensible

  • Disadvantages: Expensive, not easily hidden, need your own land

4. Emergency

Emergency Survival ShelterThis one is usually found near a survival cache. It’s a spot where all the basics are covered like shelter, weapons, 3 days worth of food, and water gathering materials. You make this camp in preparation of moving to a better more permanent location soon.  They are great for those of us that like being able to Bug Out quickly without a second thought.

  • Advantages: Very quick to set up, easily hidden, cheap,

  • Disadvantages: temporary, not easily defended, limited supplies

More Types?

I am sure there are other types that I am missing but these are the first few that come to mind when thinking about TEOTWAWKI.  If you have any other kinds of survival camps let us know.  I am always open to suggestions.

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aj52 June 19, 2010 at 3:25 am

Dustin,
sounds like we are in pretty much the same boat. My wife is starting to get the message though. I am considering more and more about how to shelter in place regardless of the situation. You're right about preparing for multiple situations as I think a lot of people have forgotten what can happen to the best laid plans of mice and men.

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caine30 June 21, 2010 at 1:55 am

keep in mind that bugging in is not always an option or at least it not for long anyways. i have another article i am working on about city life and how to arrange a bug out option but as far as bugging in I feel because i am a country boy through and through that it is not a good idea but that is just my opinion. i can try to dig up some plans on a bug in scinerio if you would like?

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aj52 June 23, 2010 at 12:49 am

caine30,
I appreciate the offer. My reply to Lucas could give you some insight as to what I am planning to do.

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aj52 June 23, 2010 at 12:45 am

Lucas,
I am 10 miles from the Atlantic Ocean,4 hours from the Blue Ridge Mountains and when the wind is right I can smell The Great Dismal Swamp. All sound like ideal places. To me and everybody else who will be looking to get away from high population areas. Another drawback is I have no family that has property in any of the places I mentioned. I'm not sure traveling to an area where I would be a stranger is my best move. I envision having to survive where I am, in much the same way anyone would survive wherever they may be. Depending on the severity and length of any situation the risks from contact with other people would be higher in an urban setting. Right now all things considered I am planning to shelter in place.

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ironpete August 29, 2010 at 5:42 pm

alot of the items mentioned are short term items when tshtf you might want to think long term. your personal ability to barter your skills is what will last and set your worth to the people in your area. I plan to barter my blacksmithing skills.you might want to add anvil forge hammer tongs. your skills have more value in the long term then things do, so learn a skill or craft like candle making or basket weaving maybe tin smithing or fuel maker etc.. think about it

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aj52 June 25, 2010 at 4:33 pm

I definitely agree living in or near a city is not the place to be if the SHTF. Or day to day for that matter! I’m starting to look for info on “hiding in plain sight” for my supplies and my wife and myself. Going to look into constructing some type of bunker as seen in the movie “The Road”. Not the one they found 1st.LOL.
Really getting a lot out of this site. Keep up the good work!

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caine30 June 26, 2010 at 3:45 am

I think my intentsions might have been taken the wrong way. I was not trying to tell you how or what your plan should be i was just trying to give you some insight as to things you might not think of by starting the article I was talking about sorry if it cam across as if i was telling ou what to do.

its my opinion is all that a bug in plan is not right, but that is just for me being a country boy if it works for you then great go for it I am still going to look into plans for a bug in option because i would like to see the diffrence between the plans I have never thought of a bug in plan before so it might give you some ideas for you to give a shot to if you so desire.

again i am sorry
Chuck

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aj52 June 26, 2010 at 8:37 pm

Caine 30,
definitely no need to apolpgize on your part! That's the drawback to communicating by computer. You can't "read' the other persons intent. Actually I think respectful disagreement is good. After all, when everyone agrees thinking has stopped ! And survival is a thinking,and doing, man's game. We are taking a different approach to the end result of survival and I want to get as many approaches as possible. I wouldn' t be much of a survivor if I am not ready to switch up as the situation unfolds. I am keeping bugging out as an option,just not my 1st one. I look forward to any info you post. Take care!

Roland June 24, 2010 at 10:01 pm

Using a motor home for a base camp is one that I have on my list. I plan to get one and make it off road capable.

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John August 29, 2010 at 8:39 pm

I am trying to find a survival book on Australia,with out much luck.
Particularly on edible plants. Any suggestions ?

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Matthew December 25, 2013 at 9:06 pm

Roland, you might look into getting a deuce and a half or a five ton truck and converting that into a motor home, there's some places that do that sort of work, and a guy that's done one up on his own, one of the builds can be found here. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/expedition-vehicle…

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utahbeemer July 21, 2010 at 4:15 pm

There are some good comments and ideas. Each persons needs are different and no one pigeon hole is best for every one. My philosophy is based on a slogan I learned from an old Master Sargent in the USMC, he said its better to be prepared and never have to than be caught un awares. I think acombination based on need, finances, medical necessity and common sense wins. If you can afford a remote location great, if you have older people that need more shelter, ie, 94 yr old grandma you gotta plan your shelter accordingly. I have tarps, tents, and trailer, and looking for that best ( for me ) more remote piece of land. By best for me, Imean what I can afford, can get to and allows the most flexibility. I also have plans for staying in place and relying on friends and family. for security and shared support. One other anachdote: Beware of the man with only one gun, because he probably knows how to us it and well. Develop a good plan and use it.

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 7:09 pm

utah i love the slogans and i agree not everyone can afford to own land in remote areas so the nomad plan is kind of the thing to do

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OutLander777 July 24, 2010 at 8:14 pm

My Safe spots were picked due to water,game, growth periods and ability to survive the winters. We also chose places that were way out there in Public lands or National Forests. In a TEOTWAWKI period, we all own the land that we are on. Supplies have been set in place ( pack mules used ) for the building of shelters both instant needs and long term.

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KarlRove July 27, 2010 at 4:39 am

A little trick just for my fans here. Decaying bio mater like leafs, wood shavings and pine needles give off a lot of HEAT. When you make your basic survial camp think DOWN and HOT..dig in so you are hidden and then cover the very bottom with lots of leaf matter. Place a plastic tarp (4×6 only weighs 10 oz.) over the dead matter (the deader the better) and then cover your hiddy-hole with a good solid roof of sticks, mud and vegitation that is local. Slide in and slide out, make sure you have a 'hatch' that can be move and make sure that you soft walk (bare foot if possible) out in different directions if you plan to come back. It is best to build 4-6 of these within a mile of each other so they have a chance to grow into the area.

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RudeBoy_UrbSurv August 3, 2010 at 9:09 pm

Im lucky to have a fiance that doesnt want to live in the city her whole life. Weve purchased 40 acres a few hours outside of our city that is recreational land for us, a future home site, and a place for me to cache supplies and get to if need be. Im in the process of constructing what most would call a bunker but what I refer to my fiance and contractors to as hardened storage. This is a neccessity as our shelter on the property is semi-permanent. A yurt in fact. The money I saved by building a yurt has allowed me to build the bunker of my dreams. :) It really comes down to creative solutions and flexibility. These are the two single most important survival tools that anybody can possess. Without these all the toys in the world wont get you through anything.
Overspecialization breeds extinction,
-RudeBoy

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axelsteve November 7, 2010 at 1:08 pm

hello RudeBoy. I agree with you especialy on the yurt. I would like to use the yert idea to build a permenant house.The round shape and so on is a great idea in my book.You can also add onto it by building one nearby and connecting it with a hallway.good luck with you plans and marriage .Steve

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 7:11 pm

another thing to concider is a root cellar

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Device442 August 13, 2010 at 12:30 pm

I think I would talk more on the point of what makes a good shelter rather then what shelter is good. Key points to look @ would be Food/Water cashes, or near hunting grounds/Crops and River/Clean water source.

Size does matter! (Despite what your wife told you) The bigger the area/footprint the harder it is to conceal, Defend, and upkeep. I would keep in mind how many people you have with you and how competent they are at these points.

Upkeep: keep in mind the story of the 3 little pigs and the big bad wolf. Sticks and shrubs are ok for a emergency or temp shelter but your looking for something a bit more permanent, (Stone, Sand Bags, metal, or wood) all this has a price.. wood rots, Concrete sinks and is immovable, Sand Bags fall or rip, Metal Rusts and makes noise.

Conceal/Defend: I believe this goes hand in hand with your theory of operation. Concealment is part of defense and obviously a hidden place doesn't need huge walls and a large stockpile of weapons to defend.

Just some ideas to mull over

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OfficerOtto August 20, 2010 at 11:27 pm

I think the descriptions of the different kind of camps is quite useful (the four in the initial article and the additional two that are mentioned). What kind of site you pick will depend on an immesuarable number of variables. For example, if you are traveling with a large group of people, you can pretty much forget the hide-site idea. Every person in your group multiplies the possibility of being detected, no matter how good the hiding spot is. If you are remote and the only realistic threats to your group are wild animals, the nomad type camp would be more practical (easier to move if resources become scarce, improved morale of family-like units, etc).

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Kevinthenurse August 27, 2010 at 1:37 pm

I noticed there are many "vac-seal" fans on the site, so I figured I would add my first 2 cents. I want to throw my "worst case scenario" butt-saver out there. All survivors know the "RULE of 3's". In the worst case where all you can get is water (no food what so ever) You can still have an edge! I call this edge my "lyte-paks". I make these with this formula: 7 potassium tablet/ 3.5 teaspoon salt/ 7 Tablespoon sugar. This will suffice for a weeks worth of 1-day supplies. I crush the tabs and mix it all together (this will make a 7 day electrolyte supply). I divide it out into 7 equal parts, then vac-seal. In an emergency where you cant get food, you can dump 1 of these per day in drinking water and replace vital supplements or just eat it dry. You can drink all the water you want but without the sodium and potassium the muscles will quickly get fatigued. After a few days without food and electrolytes you mental capacity, heart, an other muscles will be effected. Its the poor mans gator-aid. REMEMBER the brain runs on sugars, but the muscles/heart MUST have sodium and potassium for electrical function.

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Lucas_SurvCache June 18, 2010 at 5:45 pm

Dustin,

excellent camp ideas. The ones mentioned above focus more on living and surviving than defenses and hiding. It's a difficult balance.

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Kevinthenurse August 27, 2010 at 1:42 pm

I want to throw my "worst case scenario" butt-saver out there. All survivors know the "RULE of 3's". In the worst case where all you can get is water (no food what so ever) You can still have an edge! I call this edge my "lyte-paks". I make these with this formula: 7 potassium tablet/ 3.5 teaspoon salt/ 7 Tablespoon sugar. This will suffice for a weeks worth of 1-day supplies. I crush the tabs and mix it all together (this will make a 7 day electrolyte supply). I divide it out into 7 equal parts, then vac-seal. In an emergency where you cant get food, you can dump 1 of these per day in drinking water and replace vital supplements or just eat it dry. You can drink all the water you want but without the sodium and potassium the muscles will quickly get fatigued. After a few days without food and electrolytes you mental capacity, heart, an other muscles will be effected. Its the poor mans gator-aid. REMEMBER the brain runs on sugars, but the muscles/heart MUST have sodium and potassium for electrical function.

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Lucas_SurvCache June 18, 2010 at 5:48 pm

Most people probably are not, but if you can afford to live your life and have a remote survival retreat, why not?

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caine30 June 21, 2010 at 1:51 am

another thing that is or should be thought of is the simple weekend retreat areas we have on here about 200miles from my home that i can think of it is a good spot to go and not many people would go there because it is not right on the beaten path so to speak it is well off the trail and is one of the spots i go often because there is no cell reception not real eletricity and everyone i have meet up there are of the same like mind as my group just not as hard core.

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2R4U September 28, 2010 at 7:36 pm

Well if this is the case where all hell has broken loose, then the world has changed and so have the rules…

Friends, education, professions and contacts have now gone very far down the list of needed things… The very point is to be prepared for this, cause WTSHF the first week is shock and awe, the second is stealing food and supplies, and 1 month into it city folk and those not prepared will start to die off… then the critical point will happen in the roaming gangs start to prowl and take what they want and kill when the feel like it… they will soon reach out to the position made by the people prepared and will be killed on mass… then after about a year things settle down and we should start to recolonize… I hope…

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 7:03 pm

that is why most of the spots i have chosen for my team to retire to is out in the middle of no where miles from any real road of course in the first week you will be able to handle the total collapse of society and its one of those things that we will not know till TSHTF.
just be prepared and hope for the best.

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Kevinthenurse August 27, 2010 at 1:45 pm

I noticed there are many "vac-seal" fans on the site, so I figured I would add my first 2 cents. I want to throw my "worst case scenario" butt-saver out there. All survivors know the "RULE of 3's". In the worst case where all you can get is water (no food what so ever) You can still have an edge! I call this edge my "lyte-paks". I make these with this formula: 7 potassium tablet/ 3.5 teaspoon salt/ 7 Tablespoon sugar. This will suffice for a weeks worth of 1-day supplies. I crush the tabs and mix it all together (this will make a 7 day electrolyte supply). I divide it out into 7 equal parts, then vac-seal. In an emergency where you cant get food, you can dump 1 of these per day in drinking water and replace vital supplements or just eat it dry. You can drink all the water you want but without the sodium and potassium the muscles will quickly get fatigued. After a few days without food and electrolytes you mental capacity, heart, an other muscles will be effected. Its the poor mans gator-aid. REMEMBER the brain runs on sugars, but the muscles/heart MUST have sodium and potassium for electrical function.

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aj52 August 27, 2010 at 3:13 pm

If you're into bugging out , you probably are going to be doing a bit of walking. Check out 'The Complete Walker' series by Colin Fletcher.

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aj52 June 19, 2010 at 3:37 am

Lucas
It sounds like a lot of posts are from people who have, can get to,or at least think they can, locations away from high population areas. Could we start a new section dealing with those of us who have nowhere to go? Everything from initial loss of utilities,home defense,indoor and backyard gardening, water collection,scavenging etc.
Keep up the good work!

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John August 28, 2010 at 12:55 am

Hi. My name is John . I live in Australia ' i love your coments. 50 yrs ago we used to put honey on
the cuts on horses and they would heal up very quickly. Bacteriar can not live without oxygen.
and that!s one of the things honey does. My wife had a golden staff infection on her stomach that would not heal; so i dressed it with honey every day.With in a couple of weeks the wound
closed up and it heald completly.The best honey for cuts comes from New Zealand.
John.

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Mike August 30, 2010 at 5:03 pm

I have a machete that I bought over 40 years ago when I was 12 years old. Very plain with an 18 inch blade made in Sheffield England. My Dad was a machinist and ground it to razor sharpness for me. I have used it for over 40 years on camping trips, tree prunings, brush clearings, etc.
It is the best, most useful tool that I have ever owned! Recently, I picked up a Tramontina bolo machete that I plan to use for light duty, abusive work. Costing only $6 it seems to be an incredible bargain, but it will never replace my English machete.

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Jake September 20, 2010 at 3:25 pm

I think its tough to beat a small camp trailer or enclosed trailer – this lets you easily transport whatever you need, provides water storage, sanitation facilities, fairly secure, MOBILE, and not too difficult to conceal. Its not going to get you way up in the sticks, but your going to have a tough time carrying your wall tent and gear very far from your vehicle as well.

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Bob March 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm

I like your idea. My wife and I have a 24 ft ft and a diesel to pull it just about anywhere. We’ve just started trying to build some supplies for it should that dreaded day come. We live in small rural town but if things got bad staying in our home we will throw the necessary things in the camper and go!

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Siphran October 19, 2010 at 11:26 am

Hey i dont really know if this would count, but ive often thought of this. In a situation when getting out of a city, if you need a place to hold up. Roofs are easily defend-able, and if you have a tarp it would be easy to set up a improvised lean to against some sort of aircon unit. Also not many people are going to find you up there. The problem might be that it might be difficult for some people to get up there, and the matter of getting all of your equipment up. Probably use some sort of rope and a heavy object to throw up on the roof and lift up your stuff after getting up. Just a few ideas.

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axelsteve November 7, 2010 at 10:12 am

The hobbits in those ring movies had a good idea! Just don`t build roads and obvious pathways. Steve

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Old Scout November 30, 2010 at 3:45 pm

An old acquaintance of mine, back in the day when I was heavy into para-survival had a philosophy. He referred to it as a hit-list. He did not stockpile any more than he could physically carry, tactically, on his person. He had a stocked bomb shelter (just in case), and his hit list that went something like this. Mr. Smith down the street is an avid hunter, he has a 30-06, a 12 ga., and 500 rounds. Mrs. Jones is a good Mormon woman, she has her years supply of food; etc. When the time came he planed on just taking what he needed and to hell with everyone else.
My point is, that he came to me one day and said," I was sitting in my bomb shelter the other day and got to thinking, why am I doing this? If I have to give up my humanity to survive, then what am I surviving for. So that is what I put to you. If you give up your humanity to survive then you are nothing but one of the animals in the jungle. Our humanity and our reason are what set us apart. Strive to keep them pure.

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CaptBart December 29, 2010 at 8:16 pm

Your acquaintance is probably a much larger problem in a SHTF situation than hordes of MZB. This jerk thinks he's the reincarnation of Rambo and has no sense of morality. That type of 'I'll rob, steal, murder' for what I need/want is also likely to show up at the rural sites around week 2 or 3 and start taking. They will show at at a bug in location around day 2. I suspect that we are not the only people who can figure out a good retreat location so either sooner or later, you will have to deal with these scum. The good news is that in general it will be a 1 on 1 encounter (Rambo was a solo clown show.) The amoral of this world are unlikely to have strong bonds to any group and so are not likely to be part of a tightly organized group. If they group at all, they are a mob not an organized force. It is a real problem, especially in a bug in, on how to 'answer the door' safely. In a world of home invasion robberies, when the SHTF answering the door without a solid defense posture will probably get you killed.

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lemurlad December 4, 2010 at 1:28 pm

The other problem with having an out of the area (out-of-town cabin for me) Bug Out shelter is that you might not be able to get to it when SHTF. I have to cross 7-8 overpasses and at least 4 rivers to drive to my cabin. Since I live in a very earthquake prone area, I have to consider that the road(only 1) out of town might be damaged or gone if that is why SHTF. For that, I'm already looking for where there are US Forestry public use cabins in my area that I could walk to if I needed to when it is below freezing outside(appr. 6 months out of the year.) Just one more thing to think about…

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CaptBart December 29, 2010 at 8:28 pm

It is good that you are looking at multiple problems. Jesus tells his disciples to pray that the tribulations that are to befall Jerusalem not happen in the winter lest the suffering be greater. Ike hit Houston late in the year and a cool spell followed it immediately. The cooler weather made the aftermath a lot more tolerable for those of us without power for air conditioning. I also have a problem getting out of my area without crossing major interstates. Finding that path is a high priority. The problem with public use areas is that literally EVERYONE knows or can know where they are.
You have a problem we all have, just considerably more visible. If we absolutely knew when TSHTF was going to happen we'd be at our BOL. We probably won't know in advance and maybe not until we are well into the event. If that happens bugging in may be the only option.
As a NASA physicist I have limited choices of where to live. Texas seems best for now. After retirement (if that ever happens) the options open up.

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Chance January 31, 2011 at 6:13 pm

I have a friend who’s property I hunt on and he is a prepper as well. He has agreed to let me store supplies at his place. The only stipulation was that he NOT know the location of the supplies. He is about a days float down the river from me.

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T.Rapier February 8, 2011 at 12:47 am

One thing that is a good idea for the Nomad system ( depending on how many tents you have ) was a lesson learned and practiced by the Roman Army . Place your tents close enough so the tent ropes and stakes can be criss crossed to prevent easy access to individual tents from the side ,( similar to some of the low barbed wire patterns in WW1 ) augment with a few sharpened stakes in the bare areas and this forces to a degree , that foot traffic must go down the “road” in front of the tents .

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TED March 9, 2012 at 5:23 pm

If you truly need to use a tent or tents make sure you dig a floor at least 24 inches deep. that will get you under the frost line and safe from bullets just in case you need to sleep safely. coal miners in kentucky and thier familys were killed in thier tents while they slept by the national guard because they protested for safer working conditions and they were machine gunned for this, i am from KY and i try to look at history for clues to survival.

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caine30 February 27, 2011 at 9:55 am

that is a nice thought that some will ask but you know as well as all my guys do that asking is for the guys like us not the ones that will survive in the cities I have thought on this many times SCUM survives when many decent folks will die its not right but it is fact it seems the ones that will thrive are the ones that need to be put down like a rabid dog.

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corky July 11, 2011 at 5:56 am

the vietcong had 30+ years to dig in!

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StillCreepnCpl October 12, 2011 at 11:57 pm

This is what i have as a bail out location, a cabin, up in the moutains well off the beaten trail. literally, the road turns to grass then your roughing it up the mountain through brush where the trail used to be lol. i love it. But what we did was my uncle, my brother and I went in together and bought our "Hunting" Cabin. Made sure it was big enough for all of our corners of our family and a few select people in our group that would be good contributors to the group. Plus there is plenty of room to build on and additional land and built a workshop with generators for housing our trucks, atvs, dirtbikes, and building other projects. This will be our fallback location and it will only take a short time to fortify the location. Its in a great location to hunt and fish. and we have a ready supply of food and fresh water only a hundred yards or so away. This was only the first step but the point im making is do not try and get something like this by yourself, it makes more sense to try and get partners together, family or friends that can help you purchase these. Then thats twice the income to stock your bug out location as well.

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DTB January 5, 2012 at 5:35 pm

nice article as a child i do not have enough money to do anything (parents do not share survival urge with me) i'm a boy scout though

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terraform_mars May 12, 2012 at 11:36 am

Boy scouting is a great way to build skills. If you look at it that way, you can learn a lot while you have time as a kid. Once you are an adult, you might have the money, but you don't have as much time.

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DriveToSurvive February 27, 2012 at 2:18 pm

I live in the NorthEast, and here we have harsh winters and hot summers. I want to build a shelter in the woods that I can have up all year and take weight of the snow, but still not draw much attention. Any suggestions on what type to build???

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sky August 29, 2013 at 12:21 pm

I think I would do "night of the living dead" style base, aka an abandoned house/store/barn.

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Sam@bluepromocode October 2, 2013 at 3:30 pm

The nomad tent idea is about the only shelter I could use at this time, even though I found some great caves that would work and the landowner said I could explore them whenever I wanted to. I like the nomad/tent idea because of the community aspect with everyone helping. In looking at some tents and emergency shelters, I was thinking of a larger one that would hold some supplies as well. There are some great tips in the replies here as well.

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wooden floors October 16, 2013 at 3:31 am

the brighter we think the more we had the chance to be successful just like this base camp..this is the community aspect that would lead the help of everyone….

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MIke December 29, 2013 at 6:23 am

The only reason to me to have a bug out, would be because of nuclear or bio catastrophe. Getting out of all populated area's and having a shelter for protection means going underground and being prepared to defend it.—–enough food and water for a year. equipment and seeds to start a food source after it was over with—-dealing with death and burial of enemies and loved ones .Setting up medical needs and a heat source for cooking and warmth. Getting there when it happen would be the luck of the draw.

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Jb33sva March 31, 2014 at 4:24 pm

If you have the materials, the know how, land, and the right amount off large hidden strong trees: a tree house can serve you well. It can be defended easily enough if you have ranged weapons and a good amount of defenders. Obvious weaknesses are the elements, and the difficulty of building it stay and strong. If you do come under attack, you may have to flee as it can be burned or cut down. I think it is important that you have more than one shelter within reasonable distance of each other, because nothing is permanent, and you should always try to be prepared.

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Lucas_SurvCache June 27, 2010 at 6:39 am

Hey guys,

I think maybe my response to the original comment was the problem.

Caine's article was definitely just a guide to different types of camps you may want to consider.

I was pointing out that a lot of people online (especially message boards) will tell you everything that's wrong with your Bug Out plan, but that you always just have to plan for yourself.

Keep up the good debates.

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corky July 11, 2011 at 6:12 am

I agree. Most of the populatin will remain in their community. They will have to survive in the concrete jungle. Although I love and regularly live in the great doors, I'd rather be in a fortified home w/ brick walls and a real roof over my head, out of the elements than to be in the middle of no where trying to figure out how to my family is gonna to weather the storm. It would also be hard if not impossible to re-supply from 200 miles out. I'd hate to know that if my kid had to have gall bladder surgery and I had chosen to put my family in a totaly self-sufficient situation.
Im not saying that bugout is always a bad idea, just that for most it wouldn't be practical.

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AZMTNMAN January 29, 2012 at 3:48 pm

HOW DO YOU THINK WE GOT HERE? SOMEBODY SURVIVED BEFORE US. AS HUMANS, IT IS PART OF OUR NATURE (MOST OF US) TO CONTINUE IN SPITE OF THE ODDS. IF ONE FEELS HE IS LOSSING TOO MUCH HUMANITY TO PUT OUT EFFORT, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT PERSON SHOULD STEP ASIDE AND QUIT NOW. OH, YOUR FRIEND SOUNDS A BIT ARROGANT IN THINKING ALL HE HAS TO DO IS ''TAKE'' WHAT HE NEEDS. HIS NEIGHBOR WITH THE 30-06 MIGHT BE LIKE A LOT OF US AND ONLY ALLOW HIM TO HAVE THE ''POINTY'' PART.

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Guest October 6, 2013 at 9:33 am

Yea, have you read The Road or seen the film?
"Carry the Fire"

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nylok May 12, 2012 at 3:17 pm

my thoughts exactly

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KansasScout May 13, 2012 at 2:23 am

As my handle suggests I live in Kansas. My main worries are either another EF-4+ tornado striking my hometown ala Joplin or god forbide a return to the dust bowl days if the early to mid 1930s. Though I live in Topeka, the state capital, I've been to the southwestern parts of our state hunting with relatives and I've noticed in the wheat fields down there a suspicious amount of dust in between the furrows and in the country roads that suggests that a return to the 1930s' style dust storms may be soon a possibility. I know we live on one of the fault lines that is part of the same network as the New Madrid system, the Humbolt Fault or Nemeha Ridge, but it only does a 3.0 or less once or twice a year and it's at minimum a full mile underground. The Pompei like event for us would be if Yellow Stone blows sometime in the near future. From what I read on that most of the central plains along with all of Wyoming and much of Colorado would be burned and buried by the pyroclastic flows from that erruption.

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Voodoo July 14, 2013 at 8:21 pm

Well, 2012 is out of the question, now.

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Guest October 6, 2013 at 9:21 am

yea, and my neck of the woods BECAME Tornado Alley a couple of years ago when 200+ twisters tore through in a single day, including some really huge ones. everything from Labradors winding-up on top of radio towers to storm shelters being sucked right out of the ground and thrown across the field, some things you just can't prepare for…

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KansasScout May 13, 2012 at 2:28 am

Also from what I've seen and read on the potential Yellow Stone erruption most of us between the Rockies and the Mississippi River would not have time to escape or at least not much. Unlike in the movie 2012 it would not be so slow motion that some eccentrict wildcat broadcaster would have time to tell everyone what he sees like the guy reporting on the destruction of the Zepplin Hindenburg. From what I understand that disaster would take seconds to destory northwestern Wyoming, minutes to do the same to the rest of the state. Here in northeastern Kansas I may have enough hours to pack my parents and a few items to survive with into our car and head east toward the Mississippi, but we would be trapped there if we're lucky enough to evacuate from our medium-small sized city of about 130K.

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KansasScout May 13, 2012 at 2:34 am

The odds of our survival from that megadisaster is about as good as surviving a direct or near hit from a meteor like the one that killed most of the mammals in North America many tens of thousands of years ago.

This is why my main worries are living though a modren day dust bowl or surviving the aftermath of an EF 3 to 5 tornado striking Topeka. Now the winter disaster if it ever gets cold enough and wet enough in the winters here again would be a blizzard, but that hasn't happened in years because we've had very mild winters here for the last several years.

Bugging out except to get to an emergency shelter if our home isn't livible after the tornado isn't much of an option here. I doubt some terrorist would park a nuclear carbomb in Topeka, not enough press coverage. Now I see such a disaster in say Chicago, New York, or L.A. to name a few, but not Topeka.

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You'llNeverFindMe November 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm

The Hobbits had all kinds of roads from regular supply roads their "waggons" used, to forest pathways for "shortcuts that made for long delays". All were obvious and well-known. Only some paths were known by only a few, or forgotten by most.

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Dustin2 March 11, 2013 at 6:10 am

How do you plan on getting your team and gear 200+ miles from where you are staying, if S really does HTF? Ive often wondered that.

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Guest October 6, 2013 at 9:08 am

yea, right. on my meager salary, not a chance. I think the most that most of us can hope for is a reliable tent and whatever we can manage with our varying degrees of bushcraft skill or wherever we're willing to break into, in the end…

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Guest October 6, 2013 at 9:11 am

I don't think that even the sheeple would wait an entire week to start looking for food.

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Guest October 6, 2013 at 9:24 am

off-road tires and an extreme lift kit are less than the bare minimum for that sort of thing, you're suggesting quite the undertaking there…

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Guest October 6, 2013 at 9:31 am

* helicopters, yo.

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Gnut December 30, 2013 at 8:14 pm

You are assuming though that you will be able to get medical care in a more populated area. For example, if the scenario is an electrical grid shut down, nothing is going to work. I mean NOTHING. No water treatment for example. How long will you be able to last with untreated water. Living in a nice house will make you a target. Will it not? Not doggin ya bro. Just seems like there is more to think about when it comes to bugging in. I don't like the idea of hitting the wilderness for health reasons but I'm going to do whatever i feel is the safest which will most likely be about assessing the situation and picking the lesser of the evils.

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