Survival Gear Review: RRA LAR-8 Elite Operator

Review of the LAR-8 Elite Operator by Rock River Arms

For as long as I can remember reading survivalist dogma well over fifty years for this author, one the central themes has always been how best to arm the fort for the onslaught of bad guys and the unprepared looking to steal your food and loot.  Today they are called Zombies. Whatever!

By Dr. John J. Woods, a contributing author to SurvivalCache.com

The Truth

Truth is we don’t have to wait for the SHTF to occur, because the fort is being breached every day in America.  My generation just Review of LAR 8calls them plain old thugs or criminals.  At deer camp they are trespassers and poachers.  The solution is either to call the proper law enforcement assistance, or deal with it.  I advise the former unless there is an imminent bodily threat.

But trust us on this one, nobody really wants to engage in an armed confrontation, though at some point it may be necessary or unavoidable.  In these cases then, why not have the very best to deal with the issue.  Thus we put forward this review of a battle rifle suitable to defend the gates, dispatch an unwanted varmint regardless of the foot count, or to take meat for the pole.  This tool is definitely up to the task of any mission.

Big Medicine for SHTF

The Rock River Arms LAR-8 Elite Operator is an AR-15 platform rifle on steroids.  Fresh from the factory this 7.62 semi-auto working tool is ready to take on any game that the traditional .308 Winchester can handle.  The .308 is highly popular for deer hunting and is the big stick for wild hogs, other game and defensive measures.  We’re not discussing ballistics here, but trust me as any experienced game hunter or military sniper knows the .308 can assuredly handle these tasks with extreme prejudice.

The RRA-LAR comes in several different model configurations, but I opted for the Elite Operator for a variety of reasons.  This model offers a 16-inch chrome moly barrel with a 1:10 twist.  The muzzle is capped with a Smith Vortex flash hider.

Rock River Arms LAR-8 Elite Operator

The buttstock is their Operator CAR collapsible stock with six positions, integral ribbed rubber buttpad, watertight battery storage and multiple sling mounts.  The top of the action and barrel is a flat ladder rail from stem to stern forward to the flip front sight gas block.  The handguard section is RRA’s half quad with three ladder rail covers.  This model does not come with a rear BUIS (back up iron sight), but RRA offers them as an accessory as does many other aftermarket sources.  The grip is a good feeling soft Hogue pistol grip.

The rifle is 38 inches in length and weighs 9.1 pounds with a 1.5 MOA at 100 yards accuracy rating.  It comes from the factory with a hard plastic case and one 20-round magazine.  Five and ten round factory mags are also available to comply with hunting regulations in various states.  In Mississippi the 20-rounder is OK for hunting, but a 10-round is easier to handle.

Practical Range Work

Now realize if you study the RRA catalog or their www.rockriverarms.com web site the factory recommendations for use of the Elite Operator LAR-8 model is for law enforcement and home defense, not hunting or target work.  However, obviously that does not mean that the rifle configuration cannot be used for hunting.  I suspect it is more in the personal preferences and choices hunters make in the type of firearm they want to use.  In every way, I see no reason the Elite Operator should not be used for hunting in addition to any home defense calling.

Given this rifle was selected for pig hunting in particular the ammo choices needed to match the task at hand as well.  With hunting ammo on sale after the deer season was over, I picked up boxes of both Remington and Winchester basic .308 hunting rounds with 150 grain soft point bullets.

My local commercial 50-yard indoor range can handle heavy rifle calibers, so out of pure convenience I elected to sight in the Rock River Arms LAR-8 Elite Operator 308 ReviewRRA-LAR there instead of driving over an hour to a 100-yard outdoor range.  I mounted a Trijicon AccuPoint 1x4x24mm scope with a German #4 crosshair and green dot with factory tactical type rail ring-mounts.  This is a 30mm tube scope so illumination is exceptional in this ambient light powered scope.  I anticipate that hogs will be encountered at relatively close ranges, so this scope should prove perfect.

I ran a scope collimator on this set up to get the rifle dialed in on target paper.  The first three round trial was several inches low and wide, but the group was ¾ inch.  Yeah, I was impressed.  Subsequent groups were just as good well under 1.5 inches several under one-inch with the Remington ammo slightly outperforming the Winchester loads.  Basically it was a toss up.  Glad I bought plenty of both.

Proof in the Pudding?

Well, I’d love to say I could report this rig has proven successful afield, but alas my first trip to hunt hogs came up with a donut hole.  So, to date, no hog kills.  We have scheduled another hunt this fall after deer plots are planted.

I feel certain my Rock River Arms Elite Operator 308 will get its day in court as it were.  I have no doubt it is up to the task and will perform as designed so long as I do not panic at the sight of black bodies in the shadows.

In the field this rifle with a scope and a loaded 20-round magazine is heavy, probably over ten pounds.  I installed a Vero Vellini wide type neoprene sling and the “stretch give” compensation for the rifle’s weight at every step proved the perfect choice.  There was little felt recoil at the shooting bench.  I wore ear muffs, but certainly expect muzzle blast and decibels in the field, though then the shooter never notices such things.

The operator controls for then enlarged AR are quite ergonomic.  I was pleasantly surprised how easy the safety was to reach with the thumb.  The magazine catch and release button work in order.  The Picatinny rail edges like all I have encountered are sharp.  Be sure to cover those not used with rail guards.  I installed the ladder covers up forward one notch out to reduce friction abrasion with the sling material.

In all the field work I have done so far, I have experienced two hang ups.  After dropping the magazine into the sand, apparently trying to blow out the grit was not enough.  I had a failure to chamber, and a failure to manually extract.  I took all the ammo out of the magazine, cleaned each round off, and the guts of the magazine.  I sprayed some Liquid Wrench in the chamber and wiped down the bolt.  No more failures to date.

If you are a seriously minded SHTF scenario prepper, then the Rock River Arms-LAR-8 is worthy of consideration.  They also make a cousin in .223.  At the retail hit of $1670 I still say this is a serious, well made product for the price.  Prudent shopping will bring this price down no doubt.  The .308 cal is a formidable cartridge in this duty built package.  It should serve all well.

Photos by:
Dr. John J. Woods

Chewsyluvr
Rock River Arms

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Kountry boy March 4, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Thanks for the great review! I’ve always been absent minded towards RRA because not too long ago they weren’t exactly the cream of the crop for product. Ive definitely started looking at them recently and your review is definite help. Thanks brother.

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Scott March 4, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Sounds like a beast…unfortunately the cost kills it for me….I own a semi-auto in 5.56 that is 100% reliable so If funds allow at a later date a 308 might be in the cards.

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Minarchist_1776 March 4, 2012 at 9:31 pm

Note: I could have sworn that I posted a comment, but it looks like it got eaten somehow. Therefore this is draft number 2.

I have a bias in favor of rifles chambered in .308 and thus I am willing to give this one the benefit of the doubt. If I were going to get one like it though I would go for a longer barrel and a gas operating system that uses a piston instead of direct impingement. I am older school and never trained on an M-16 variant. When I was in the rifle that we were using was an M-14 (Navy for shipboard use). Thus I prefer M-14/FN-FAL/HK-91 clones. For somebody who was trained on M-16s then going to an M-16 clone that is chambered in .308 might be a good choice. The ergonomics are supposedly the best of any battle rifle out there.

It is my opinion that regardless of which battle rifle variant one gets, one needs to get one with a collapsible/folding stock. This will enable them to move the rifle around in duffel bags, backpacks, whatever, that do not by their very size and shape scream that they have a rifle in them. I will also note that in a post SHTF environment nobody is really going to care about how many rounds your magazine holds. But SHTF has not happened yet, and it may be that there are some states which limit the size of magazines on rifles which are being used for hunting. I would suggest that you double check the applicable laws, rules and regulations in the area you plan to be hunting in and get a 5 round magazine for the rifle if necessary. No need to be getting into confrontations with Game Wardens if that can be avoided by just using a smaller magazine. By all means get as many 20 round magazines as you can lay your hands on, but at least one 5 round magazine may be a must have.

The only real rock I can throw at this rifle is that there is an extent to which it is "nonstandard". It is only being produced by one company and has not been adopted for service anywhere. Thus there are not a couple of million or so of them floating around to be scrounged for spare parts. If one were to go for this rifle I would therefore highly recommend stocking up on all the spare parts that are likely to be needed which are unique to it.

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john March 5, 2012 at 1:17 am

what is the cousin's model in 223 sorry for the dumb ??

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CollegePrepper March 6, 2012 at 5:03 pm

The closest "cousin" to this beast of a rifle would be the RRA Elite Operator 2, chambered in .223. I own and have shot this fine rifle for several years now and is has shot smoothly without a hitch, as long as you take proper care of it. Personally, I am suprised that RRA does not get more attention than they currently do among firearm circles. They are a great company that produces a solid product. Even though I have no first hand experience with the .308 version, I have no doubt that it will properly function as my RRA has.

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Dave H March 5, 2012 at 6:30 am

Great article and thank you for sharing! Although I am not a fan of the AR platform one of my beefs with it was the 5.56 caliber. The .308 (7.62) is a BIG improvement in this department IMHO. We look forward to updated range reports! BTW, is this a DI or a piston model?

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ThomasC. March 20, 2012 at 8:42 am

Mr Stoner orginally designed the AR platform in 7.62 NATO. The US Army is it's wisdom decided they wanted soldiers to carry MORE ammo with LESS stopping power. (DUH!!!) Not that anyone has improved on the AR platform by chambering in 7.62 NATO, it's just been realized that the way the rifle should have been built all along.

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Roy March 5, 2012 at 10:09 am

Greeting Dr John,

Thank you for a really interesting and enjoyable article. Although I am not overly familiar with the AR-15 platform I am a big fan of the 308/7.62 especially as an all round survival weapon. I have to agree with some of the comments above and for my choice I personally went for a DSA FAL (short review on my website http://wilkinsonfscollection.com/wilkinsonfscollection.com/Reveiw_SA58.html)” rel=”nofollow”>:http://wilkinsonfscollection.com/wilkinsonfscollection.com/Reveiw_SA58.html). However that said I think it is always good to hear differing views and opinions on the subject, so very much enjoyed reading the comments concerning the LAR-8. As has already been mentioned and in respect of the .308 I prefer a piston driven/folding stock etc, hence my personal choice. That said the only critique I have with this type of weapon is it’s weight.

I’m a newcomer to this site, so want to just give a shout out to all involved as I’m thoroughly it.

All the best, Roy.

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squiddy1 March 5, 2012 at 10:38 am

Very nice Note to all if you shoot something with a .308 and it is still standing drop the gun and RUN there is no need to shoot twice you will only anger it.

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John March 5, 2012 at 12:49 pm

Thanks for the continued feedback on the Rock River Arms LAR. I just got back from a day of hog hunting and laying out a new Bug Out spot for a friend. I carried the LAR all day (I am 61 years old) with a loaded mag without labor pains. The secret is the Vero Vellini extra wide sling. It makes toting this rifle and other heavy ones no issue. As to weight, I will not argue against that, but it is a .308. I have a DSA-FN/Fal too and it's heavy as well. Personally I have never liked a folding stock. They are noisy, and the majority of them never seem to lock up tight. And for me, I cannot shoot a rifle well with the stock folded. I much prefer the collaspable stock of the AR-M4 type. Ditto on parts, etc. That's where the "Woods Redundancy Principle" comes in. If you shoot 9mm, 45acp, .223 or .308, never have just one of them.

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Minarchist_1776 March 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm

I might be somewhat biased in favor of folding/collapsible stocks as my current weapon of choice is an HK-91 clone. I use the HK designed collapsible stock for it. I have never had any problems with it, but it is a German design. They went for ruggedness, simplicity and reliability. Thus the stock only locks in two positions, fully opened and fully closed.

Regardless of which variant rifle one gets with whatever folding/collapsible stock, one does not want to try to shoot the weapon with the stock closed/retracted. The purpose of the folding stock is not to turn the rifle into a pistol. The purpose of the folding stock from a military point of view was that it made it easier for soldiers to exit airplanes, trucks, whatever with the stock folded. Then they open the stock for battlefield use. From my point of view as a civilian worried about repressive governments and SHTF scenarios, the purpose of the folding stock is to make the weapon easier to move around administratively. Again, when the rifle is in use, the stock is to be extended.

If somebody chooses to avoid folding stocks, then that is their choice. It might make it somewhat harder to move the weapon around without being obvious about it. However, the argument that a standard stock is inherently more rugged/stable than a folding stock has some merit to it. You pays your money and you takes your choice in terms of which potential problems you try to deal with or avoid. The main thing is to make sure that you have considered all your options and to have made a choice that works for you.

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Roy March 5, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Hi John,

Thank you for your update on your new rifle. As someone who does not hunt and only has a long distant memory of lugging a battle rifle around during military training etc, it’s comforting to hear that it’s not too much of a problem especially with a good sling. Despite the weight issue I still opted for a .308 (FAL) for the important reasons you have already stated.

Regards the folding stock. For me that has always been one of the downfalls with the AR-15/M4 system. Don’t get me wrong it’s a wonderful platform, just not one I have had a lot of experience with. When I had my DSA FAL built I really liked the idea of a folding stock for the reasons Minarchist mentioned. However your points on the reliability of such things was a concern of mine also. I ended up having DSA fit their folding SPR stock and can say without a doubt it is superb. Easy to use and locked into position like a bank vault.

Best wishes, Roy.

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John March 5, 2012 at 8:05 pm

Certainly Minarchist hits the main point. Each individual has to get and use and become accustomed to the set up that they can use best under all conditions. Working gun shows for 30+ years I have seen and handled a lot of folding stock weapons. They just don't suit me. I wonder if you guys have any issues with the stock in a folded condition hanging up on stuff coming and going out of vehicles or such. I recall for example the M-1 carbine being used by paratroopers, but weren't they stowed in a canvas gun case prior to the jump? Again, the bottom line is find what works for you. Not every gun is suitable for every shooter. Reviews here are intended to expose new information not necessarily to promote a specific brand or type of weapon. I happen to be a big fan of the AR engineered platform, but I love my FAL, too. For certain there have been few rifles that have tested their metal like the FNs or the AKs. ARs are just now coming into their own and for a lot of varying reasons. Shoot tight, shoot safe.

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Big T man March 6, 2012 at 9:17 am

I thank and M1-A would do the job just as good or better but that is me. And it comes from Springfield Armory.

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deleted5598229 March 6, 2012 at 11:53 pm

For me, I feel that the battle rifle is not the best choice. Firstly, the cost is not exactly in the college budget ;) . Secondly the .308 isn't cheap, even milsurp 7.62 NATO. I believe in stocking as much ammo as possible, and being able to carry sufficient ammo within weight constraints. I understand that SHTF will probably not be black hawk down, but when one considers the availability of weapons and certain neighborhoods it seems more likely. 5.56 NATO is aerodynamically efficient enough for longer range, though not with much punch. Besides, there are not too many large game opportunities in Los Angeles ;)

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ThomasC. March 20, 2012 at 8:45 am

5.56×45 ammo is only good to about 400m With specialty ammo and weapon you can reach out conserably farther but in a tactical/CQC rifle.

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late but catchin up May 25, 2012 at 6:20 pm

In a shtf situation, is a 5.56×45 good enough?

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Eddy March 8, 2012 at 3:36 am

Any rifle that is carried in combat is a battle rifle.
Why would a person pay $1500+ for a "battle/tactical" rifle in .308 cal. and not get a M1A? The M1A is a far better choise and 25 rnd mags are available.
And yes, with ammo prices the way they are and considering the fact that they will continue to rise, ammo costs must be considered when chosing your goto long gun.
If you're looking from an ammo cost point of view, the 5.56/.223 M4 varient and the 7.62×39/5.45 AK varient are better choises. Both rifles can be aquired for less then $1000.00 and both rifles are capable of taking larger game. Of course you wont be doing it at 600 yrds.
Having experience in military and although I was shooting the M16 A1/A2, I chose to go with the 7.62×39

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Minarchist_1776 March 8, 2012 at 8:46 am

Why would somebody not get an M1A? Simple, personal preference. I decided to go for an HK-91 clone due to it's excellent record as far as reliability is concerned as well as ease of use in that it is essentially a recoil operated weapon. One of the other people here went with an FAL because that was what he had trained on when he was in his country's service. Personally I don't think that anybody would be "wrong" to go with any one of these fine rifles.

Now, there are a lot of people out there who don't have the money available to spring for a good battle rifle in .308. The good news as far as they are concerned is that there are quite a few rifles and carbines out there which can serve them well for a lot less than the cost of one of battle rifle clones. To just mention two possibilities:

(1) There are a variety of good lever action rifles out there. With practice one can get a good rate of fire with one of them. And if they can get into a mode where they shoot a few rounds and then load a few rounds, while keeping a few rounds in reserve in the magazine they can keep their rifle going all day long. Calibers I would look at for a lever action would be .44 magnum or .30-30.

(2) Military surplus Short Magazine Lee Enfield. This is the rifle that the British used in WWI and WWII. Granted it is a bolt action, but it has a 15 round magazine and can be fed using stripper clips. While most of them are chambered in .303 British, there are also some running around that are chambered in .308. I'm not sure what the prices are on them these days, but they are bound to be a lot cheaper than one of the current battle rifle clones and can potentially get the job done.

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Jeff March 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm

I like my Armalite AR10. The company that started it all is always ahead of the game.
AR – STANDS FOR ARMALITE RIFLE.

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squiddy1 March 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Me I prefer my AK 74 and my AK 47 long after the AR has become gummed up ( and it will be at the worst possible time Murphy's Law ) The Russian Jackhammer will still be going and going and going.
But I do like a .308 just not in a AR platform.

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Odinson March 9, 2012 at 3:32 pm

If I'm going to get a battle rilfe in a .308 caliber, I'm going to get a Saiga. It's basically an AK that shoots the 308. Power? Check. Duribility? Check. Accuracy? Check.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1043….
http://www.krebscustom.com/KalashnikovRifles.shtm…

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squiddy1 March 12, 2012 at 11:04 am

Now that is something to think about, I need to do a little research on that one, Because I have heard most .223 AK platforms are not as good as one might expect.
Not that i own or have even fired one.
How ever the AK in .308 may be better being the AK is ment for a 30 caliber round.

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Concerned Citizen March 11, 2012 at 5:18 pm

…. I'm nearly speechless…. this guy is a moron. you know nothing like far too many of the other AR15 owners out there. you said nothing as to why this gun was good or better than another brand or model…. oh wait you said the magazine button worked great! Youre stupid! Does your mom still wipe your ass!? I dont care to comment more on this sham and pathetic review. Please dont speak anymore, to anyone. You are the problem with society today, pure ignorance. You shouldn't own a firearm. Do you load your bullets into your magazine backwards?!

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squiddy1 March 12, 2012 at 10:57 am

Tell us how you really feel.

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ShockanAwe April 28, 2012 at 2:19 am

Amen

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Straydog March 11, 2012 at 9:45 pm

I think you article is very informative and thought provoking. I have had an old Remngton 742 carbine in 30.06, a bag full of 10 round mags and variety of ammo. Gets the job done and doesn't look "tactical" if I have to walk to the bugout location.

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Landon March 12, 2012 at 7:26 am

The .308 is a fantastic round and I own a socom 16 but as far as the AR platform is concerned I think the .300 AAC blackout build up is good for those lookin for the all around bang for your buck IMHO. The majority of the parts are interchangeable with a standard .223/5.56 platform including the mags it’s just a different barrel. This is my next project as soon as funds allow. Great article

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Instructor March 14, 2012 at 3:24 am

I'm sure the RRA Operator is a good choice but good luck getting one. RRA is 60 – 90 days on delivery. No one has these in stock. By admission on their own website, RRA cannot keep up with demand. So if you need or want a GOOD 30 caliber weapon, I'm sure you can find an M1A/M14 for about the same money. Yes it will reach out 800 yards and beyond.

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ThomasC. March 28, 2012 at 8:24 am

After checking on my order for the above mentioned rifle I was told by RRA that they are 120-150 behind. I opted to keep my M1A Scout, and cancellede the order.

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KansasScout April 12, 2012 at 11:21 pm

I understand what Dr. Woods is saying. Now if I had the spare 1600 to 2500 I'd look into this rifle or the Springfield Armory's SOCCOM II rifle. As it is I own two .30 rifles. Both are vintage weapons. One is an M1 Garand which once I have my refund will be sent to a firm I've contacted about restoration and modification. My other is an M59/ 66A1 SKS in 7.62×39. This is the Yugoslavian SKS with the grenade launcher spigot where other rifles have muzzle brakes or even flash surpressors. I eventually will put the second rifle into a TAPCO stock for the blade bayoneted SKS rifles, but for now except for the CA compliant modified spigot it's as stock as it was in Yugoslavian service.

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KansasScout April 12, 2012 at 11:25 pm

My plan for the Garand is to modify it into a tactical rifle by putting it into a M1 Garand EBR Chassis Stock from Sage International. The variation I will us is the one that uses the M4 style adjustable stock. Now I know this rifle even as I plan to modify it is not considered as state of the are as the RRA .308 AR of this article, but I'm not a collector just a shooter and don't care if my Garand stays in a configuration recognizable by a GI or Marine of the Greatest Generation. I am like the farmer that had the same axe for thirty years. He replaced the haft three times and the bit two.

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KansasScout April 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm

In the case of my rifles they are tools intended to be used for the defense of my family or to ensure their survival in extreme situations by adding game taken with them to our larder. To this end I want to turn them into weapons that will be usable for either defense or hunting. I think it is nice to be able to go out and get one of the state of the art rifles, but sometimes you have to roll a hard six and use what you have.

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ShockanAwe April 28, 2012 at 2:10 am

Really, this whole article is speculatory. While frequenting the High Ore range in Montana, these rifles are worthless in a clean, urban enviroment. without doubt this rifle will fail in the field. A fellow shooter has had his face busted more than once with his charging handle. Failure to feed, failure to extract, failure to fire, need i go on. I shoot a flawless M1A @ 8.8lbs and my friend shoots a G3 clone. After 60,000 rounds we finally broke the weld in the G3 stock. Does anybody in here read books? Check out what Bostons Gun Bible says about AR-10 variants. Not a feasable option. Not even able to be considered a Battle Rifle. Zero countries use then in service. The design was a prototype failure predating the M16A1. And why is it being resurrected? Let that thing RIP.

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ShockanAwe April 28, 2012 at 2:14 am

Wait, on second thought buy more Ar-10 variants. Then you will be of no threat to anyone in a TEOTWAWKI senerio.

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Guest May 7, 2012 at 9:30 pm

I doubt that anyone here is using their rifles for true battle situations.

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Shaun October 30, 2012 at 2:57 pm

Hi I am new to the site, and I love it. I have a better idea. Instead of buying a cookie cutter mass produced rifle, why not just build one? This way you will know the workings of you rifle. Also it would be more affordable. I have priced an AR-10 build at about 900 though the various distributors I buy parts from.

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T.R. November 3, 2012 at 7:29 pm

No offense to anybody but , I will take a Russian designed weapon over any of the AR platform stuff any day . The reason being they are dirt simple , and reliable under the most deplorable conditions . They dont have the bells and whistles but the maintenance is bare minimum to none at all , and out in the field , I want that .

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KansasScout November 9, 2012 at 7:19 am

If it you find yourself in a real SHTF situation like the folks in New Jersey, New York City, and western Long Island you may have to fend off a looter now and then on your own. If your state or city doesn't limit or prohibit what kinds of rifles you can own I would say that this kind of rifle is what may keep you and your family alive to recover from the storm. Now I don't think anyone will face a battle like those in the armed forces face in places like Afghanistan, but you may have to face a gang either of looters or predisaster street thugs. It would be best if those old enough in the family to carry a rifle should be trained it ones use. To me it doesn't matter the rifle you use, but it does matter how well you can use it. Remember it's not the one that gets the first shot off that wins, it's the one that hits the first accurate shot.

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KansasScout November 9, 2012 at 7:26 am

In further information I would add that by accurate shot I don't mean competition accuracy I mean hitting the badguy in a place where it will take him or her out of the fight. Don't try for those fancy Hollywood shots. Instead always aim for the center of mass. This includes when things are reduced to handgun ranges too, always aim for the center of mass.

The human torso has multiple vital organs that can result in a fatality. This is why the military and Law Enforcement train their people to aim for center of mass. Also the torso is the largest target on a human body. Don't worry about getting quarter sized groupings, dinner and dessert plate sized groupings will do the job in this area.

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KansasScout November 9, 2012 at 7:36 am

While you're still in a normal daily life situation I'd advise also talking with a lawyer familiar with "Self-Defense" cases and one that is knowledgible with Concealed Carry situations. Remember in a SHFT situation you are only temporarily in a World Without Rule of Law (WROL) or even Extreme Rule of Law (EROL) situation so you will want to keep the contact information for your lawyer on your person and maintain copies of your important documents in a safe location away from your home. Now when the world turns into a scene from "The Day After" and resembles scenes from HALO or other combat game the defense of your family and yourself is more important than worrying about those items that are replacable. Use what weapon you can afford and your local laws allows you to have to defend yourself and your loved ones.

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Dennis D. Black December 4, 2012 at 4:17 pm

I have a RRA Preditor Persuit w/heavy barrell, I hunt……I researched many AR's, the RRA are of the highest quality, two of the people that spearheaded RRA came from Springfield Arms and Les Bear gun smith shops. My RRA shoots 1/4 inch groups with my reloads at 100 yrds…I would not hesitate to recomed their products.

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Steven May 13, 2013 at 10:52 am

From all the reviews I have read about the .308 in an Ar-15 platform are prone to excessive jams. Being that I was once in the military and have a good amount of experience with the M-4. I do like the ease of opening up the whole rifle in under 30 seconds. But, after a couple mags you jam, guaranteed, even in the 556. That and I have personally seen the rifle fall apart when used in a melee situation.

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bajanine August 3, 2013 at 12:37 am

Wow, …" .308 in an AR-15 platform are prone to excessive jams"…Not any of the newer ones I have shot!
Simply amazing I have owned a SR-25 for the past 12 years, and shot three different ones over the years. This firearm is simply amazing it shot one hole at 100 yards before completing the break in, and still does. I only recall one jam, with inferior ammo. These firearms are very capable of 1000+ yard shooting. I currently have an Springfield Armories 4.5-14x56mm scope mounted on mine.
(range finding out to 1000 yds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Springfield-Armory-4-14×5…
When I bought this scope I thought it would be a piece of crap but now I own two of them.

Although buying a SR-25 now might set you back a few pieces of gold.

They are absolutely worth it! My brother gave me all sorts of crap for buying a $2100 semi-auto .308, but after seeing it perform at the range he ordered one too.

Read more about it: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/weapons/a/sr25.htm
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/usa/mk1…

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Roger January 24, 2014 at 2:06 pm

I favor the FN/FAL, not because it's perfect but it is a well-made, reliable, hard-hitting weapon! I also keep a bolt action hunting rifle in the same caliber because things break and I haven't been able to find another FAL at a reasonable price (people DON'T want to sell them, hint! hint!). As far as the difference between .223/5.56 vs .308, a post above said if you shoot something with a .308 and it doesn't fall down, then drop your weapon and run, (never mind the stupidity of dropping your weapon deliberately, shoot again!) what doesn't fall down when shot with a .308; bears and moose are dropped down with this caliber. Even a human target with a ballistic vest and ceramics inserts with be knocked down! (Even killed, especially with AP ammo) Do you know why the military changed from .38cal. pistols to the .45cal. pistol, it wasn't for the additional round (6 vs 7), but for the knock-down power! During the 'Banana Wars', the Marines often fought the Moros, a group of people who got drugged up before going into battle (instant courage) and the officers would sometimes empty their pistols into a attacking Moro (who preferred machete-style weapons) without knocking them down; very demoralizing, the now-perforated Moro died of course but the officer now had to reload in the middle of a mass attack. Enter the .45 cal., BAM, another Moro hits the dust, repeat as needed! Forget what you may see in movies, most people, when shot don't curl up and die (double-tap), your adrenaline is pumping, some people don't even realize they've been shot or how bad their wound may be until shortly afterward! Do you really want to have to shoot a person more than once to stop them; especially since they'll probably be shooting back! A person hopped up on a major drug may not know or care if they're hurt, and the closer they get the greater threat they are! A 20-round magazine from a .308 or larger means that 20 well-placed shots equals 20 enemies dead or at least out of the fight. Part of the reason the military went from the .308 to the 5.56 is lighter weight means a soldier (most of whom are not great shots) can carry more ammo. Also, to the military upper echelon, a 5.56 round is more likely to wound an enemy combatant thus requiring two of his 'buddies' to evacuate him off the battle field(3 for 1 supposedly). Believe me, the grunts on the ground wants to kill him with extreme prejudice! Final word, for those of you with mega-caliber complexes, .338, 416, .50 BMG, yes, all these caliber/weapons can kill at a mile or more (though probably only a stationary target) but how many times and/or places will this likely be a factor? Except for wide open areas like deserts and open fields, you not very likely to be about to even spot your target, and very little ground is that flat and even! Not to mention how hard it will be to resupply since these calibers are not exactly widely used (except maybe the .50BMG in the military). I say stick with a large caliber hunting or battle rifle, only shoot at short to medium ranges (0-500 yards, unless you really are a real sniper) and you're probably going to survive a fire fight just fine. In the military, boredom is more likely to be a problem than anything and I suspect that guard duty after SHTF will be the same! Good Luck!

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