The Top 100 Items to Disappear First

100 Items to Disappear First

You could also call this “The Top 100 Things You should start stocking up on.” Even if you don’t need more than 2 (you should always have 2 of everything) each item on this list will be great for bartering. This list was discussed and chosen by the members of SurvivalCache.com Forums.  No Particular Order.

I’ve also linked to items that we carry at our store Forge Survival Supply.

1. Generators
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps, Lanterns
6. Camp Stove Fuel – Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice – Beans – Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid
13. Water Containers
14. Mini Heater head (Without this item, propane won’t heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Lantern Mantles
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Propane Cookstoves
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear / Polypropylene
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk – Powdered & Condensed
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers
34. Coleman’s Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests
45. Workboots, belts, jeans & durable shirts
46. Flashlights, Lightsticks, torches, Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks
48. Garbage cans Plastic
49. Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash, floss
50. Cast iron cookware
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles…Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Boy Scout Handbook
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. “Survival-in-a-Can”
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Reading glasses
81. Window Insulation Kit
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress’s
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

What’s Missing?

What do you think will disappear before these things that’s not on the list?

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Davemon May 27, 2010 at 5:33 am

I think you need more than 3 categories. There is the 'non prepper', there is also the 'raider'(who we all hate).

I am bugging in and have 200 lbs of rice and several hundred cans of veggies and meat. Have 13 Chickens and plans on meat rabbits.

I'm close to the serious prepper but far from the average citizen.

Davemon

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timbo September 19, 2010 at 12:37 am

ice melts?

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Genghis November 20, 2010 at 4:09 pm

Water heaters in homes have water in them, so you get yourself a filter system to drain out the water. Add bleach in small amounts to purify.

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Dustin May 27, 2010 at 11:14 am

I'm iffy on the zip ties – they get brittle in the cold and rarely do anything you can't do with either rope/paracord or duct tape. One time I thought I would be high speed and remove all the ALICE clips on my tactical gear in favor of zip ties… yeah, it was lighter, and cool for a while, but the plastic fatigued over time and once it got cold I started having some failure as they just gave up the ghost.

I think a bandanna is key for it's multiple uses, but would recommend a shemagh over a bandanna.

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Jon May 27, 2010 at 2:31 pm

I do agree with the part of knife that one should be carried at all times. If anyone has seen Survivor Man, or Iron Man he always eaither A) brings a knife or B) fashions one ASAP.'
I also strongly agree with the bandana and duct tape. I keep a hotel card wrapped with duct tape in my wallet at all times, and a bandana in my pocket. See the article of all the uses for the bandana on this site, its great. You can go anywhere and everywhere with a knife, duct tape, and a bandana.

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John October 10, 2012 at 1:26 pm

Good point Pete. We (myself included) tend to think about what we physically have instead of what we can physically do. Invaluable advice if/when tshtf. Thanks

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Josh May 27, 2010 at 5:10 pm

Caine,

That looks pretty cool, Ill have to take a look at it.

Powder dry, and bullets molded,
Josh

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Curious November 21, 2010 at 7:09 pm

You need to use caution when going with this option if you come across it. I have 10 years in an animal field and have seen several animal products cross to being used for humans. Ex: Main and Tail shampoo and Abosorbene Jr,for sore muscles, are both horse products. I have been to the vet and gotten a scrip to fight infection, and a friend took her daughter to the dr for a infection, They were both prescribed the same medicine. When placed side by side the pills were identlical. I have even taken and dog to a vet and the medicine they prescribed I had to pick up at Walgreens.
You have to remember to use way less of the animal product. Horse topicals are made to penetrate the coat and large muscle mass so using on yourself you need to greatly lower the dosage. Advantage is that some animal products are alot cheaper for larger amounts. For wound care I would suggest some "vet wrap" it is a slightly strectable bandage similiar to a ace bandage but it adheres to itself, it can be sturdy too as it is meant to stand up to animal wear. It comes in small rolls and way cheaper than an ace bandage for the first aid kit.

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DianeMargaret July 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm

I second the Vet Wrap!!!

I loved that stuff for my dog and so when I went to stock up on bandages…I went for those!!!

Also, I couldn’t live without my Absorbine Jr pain patches!

I can usually get them at our local dollar store and often buy their ENTIRE stock!

They are doubly nice when you’re sore AND have a stuffy nose! LOL

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deleted3145801 May 27, 2010 at 10:37 pm

Good call Josh, I mis-spoke in the article I need to change that.

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Otto May 27, 2010 at 11:11 pm

I'm curious, of the people who say that a shotgun is a better close-quarter weapon than a handgun, how many of those people have actually tried to clear a house with one? Next time you're the only one home, try properly slicing the pie in a small hallway with a shotgun, then try the same with a pistol. Then tell me which one you think works better.

To the users who said training and familiarization with your weapon system means everything, bravo. That and actually having that system on you are key. Having 20+ years of practice with a rifle doesn't do you any good if the rifle is in a building on the other side of town and you have practically zero chance of getting to it.

I'm a big fan of the .40, although the round is more snappy than the .45 or 9mm. I carry a Glock 22 in .40 for duty, and I am seriously considering buying a Kel Tec SUB-2000 in .40 that will accept the Glock mags. I carry a 9mm Kahr CW9 when I am off duty during the warmer months, because its simply easier to conceal and raises less eyebrows. During the colder months, I always carry my Glock 22 because I shoot it far more often and I am far more comfortable with it.

If you're looking at a SHTF situation, having something that shoots .40 would be good, because the people who are carrying it would tend to stand out so you don't have to look too hard for it.

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Rick April 15, 2013 at 10:37 pm

You can also start a fire with a condom. Needs to be sunny out.

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OneEyedRoss June 2, 2010 at 3:40 pm

You cannot stress enough the rodent traps and poison, as well as the bug sprays (both types).

Remember, before the last century, most large die offs of humans were caused by insects and rats…

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caine30 May 28, 2010 at 7:14 pm

just one quick question wouldn't it be easier to just make the saber saw out of my own chain saw blades i have like 10 of the things around my house because of my 4 chain saws lol

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Lucas_SurvCache June 2, 2010 at 4:54 pm

Ross,

That's a good point. And bugs and rodents are going to go absolutely nuts in a post-teotwawki world with trash and junk everywhere.

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Josh June 2, 2010 at 12:59 pm

You could always just eat them, LOL.

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Plain Brown Tabby July 20, 2010 at 2:15 am

Ummmmmm the obvious old time remedy for rodents, FELINES!!! cats protect your food, remember? The church burned all the cats along with the "witches" and that is what caused the Black Plague. No cats left to kill the rats.

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aj52 June 14, 2010 at 2:48 am

I would add solar battery charger and rechargeable batteries. Make sure batteries are suitable for all chargers. All rechargeable batteries aren't. If I were to consider bartering I would give careful consideration as to how what I trade could be used against me. Just saying.

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Lucas_SurvCache June 14, 2010 at 6:20 am

aj52,

good point. I have been looking around for a solar battery charger. Or rather just a small solar charger in general, specifically to power a cell phone. It would come in very handy when trying to contact family members.

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JC in AZ June 28, 2010 at 12:53 am

Brunton has a couple that are good for cell phones and other devices. mixed reviews though.

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Lucas_SurvCache June 30, 2010 at 4:11 am

That's the real problem. There is so much out there and so much of it is junk it's really hard to know where to buy, as far as solar powered anything goes.

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jim July 1, 2010 at 11:32 pm

@ the thing about using the cell phone: If the power is out for a long enough period to where your phone is out of charge, it would then be my guess the cell towers would be out too. No cell towers = No calling family

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Lucas_SurvCache July 3, 2010 at 7:57 pm

Good point jim.

I think it still might be good for a regional emergency where you could get out to where things are better and then use it.

Also, if you happen to have a sat phone, they will likely still be working.

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scott August 9, 2010 at 7:28 pm

Motorola two way radios, I already use them when hiking. Great coms for a few on the same freq.

krepto January 4, 2011 at 12:08 am
Joe August 17, 2012 at 6:43 am

So, the grid will be down but cell phones (specifically cell towers) will still be working?

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Joe Cushing October 2, 2013 at 9:38 am

When the grid first goes down, they work. I don’t know how long this lasts but is suspect it is longer than the battery on your phone. Companies have taken steps to ensure they work off grid since the gray continental power outage a few years ago.

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jarhead03 February 18, 2011 at 2:46 pm

I will look for the link to the solar charger I have. I have tested it by charging batteries, my cell phone and even my lap top. While its not as good as a wall socket it leads to my suggesting to add. Get a converter for your vehicle cigarette lighter so you can plug in and charge or use if the power goes out such as a lap top, note book, I pad or kendle that you should have survival information downloaded on due to the net possibly being down. You can get them at any electronics store or walmart.

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Carl July 5, 2010 at 8:24 pm

So! Is everyone here 20-something? What about Meds …medicine- as in that which is prescribed by a doctor? Given current insurance practices, meds are given in monthly doses. Just try and get a refill in a disaster. I recommend re-filling prescriptions 1 or 2 days early and thereby building a supply- 1 to 2 days worth per month. But rotate them so that you always use the oldest first. In only 30 months you could have a 1-2 month reserve. You will need it.

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Lucas_SurvCache July 9, 2010 at 10:39 pm

Carl,

I'll confess that I am 20-something and Meds is not something I think about often.

Important: to differentiate between Medication and First Aid and medical supplies.

That's another good example of why everyone has to plan for themselves and not take only what they read online. I don't take anything regularly, so I didn't even think to add that to the list.

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legitimatecitizen November 30, 2010 at 11:39 am

Don't forget veterinary meds. They are often available over-the-counter from your vet, at your local feedstore, or over the internet. And, in a drop dead emergency, penicillin is penicillin is penicillin…"I ain't sayin', but I"m just sayin'…"

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Lee January 1, 2011 at 11:00 pm

When planning for a survival situation, a lot of meds you may normally take might not be needed. For example, if you take cholesterol medicine, antihypertensives, or antidepressants, you will be able to survive a number of weeks (or even years) without these. If you have access and the knowledge of how to use them, I think a stash of medicines like antibiotics, antivirals (tamiflu), activated charcoal, epinepherine, and injectable lidocaine (useful for getting stitches) would be much more valuable in a survival situation. Of course, if you have epilepsy or a similar potentially debilitating disease, you will want enough medicine to get you through.

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 6:58 am

I don’t understand your thinking. I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that a disaster is not going to be a good thing for those with either hypertension or depression. In fact, I’d say the stress (immediate or after the shock wears off) could easily trigger a heart attack and is guaranteed not to do anything positive for depression.
I can see where a change of diet will effect some conditions. Weight loss and exercise would certainly do good for a lot of people but these are 2 groups that I don’t see being well off.

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Hap July 30, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Herbs can be useful if you or someone you will be with is properly trained to use them and knows how to evaluate them. For instance, Echinacea ANGUSTIFOLIA ROOT is the one you want for infections etc.; but it's nearly impossible to find, while Echinacea PURPUREA (sometimes roots, sometimes plant parts) is what's usually marketed, and that is useless.

In an emergency, I've wondered how many people will be duped into bartering for useless herbs because they need something, and then find themselves still suffering. So Carl is right, medicines are important!

The antibiotic issue is tricky. Not every antibiotic works on everything; and some people are highly allergic to them. I do know people who've used pet store antibiotics to self-treat effectively; but I haven't done it, and I wouldn't unless I was extremely desperate. So I guess it's a personal decision.

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Robert September 5, 2012 at 10:15 am

What I do is have my doctor prescribe large doses and cut pill in half. My blood pressure medication is 25mg so I get the 50mg and cut in half. It is the same price regardless of dosage. So every month I have another month supply. Over time I have a yearly supply that I rotate. After two years I stopped because of expiration date issues.

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Rich March 21, 2013 at 11:49 pm

How about instead of you being degrading to the young man that took his own time to write this for you to read, you say "Thank you". Making a suggestion is one thing, being rude is inexcusable.

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Jane Mackay March 29, 2013 at 3:53 pm

I have had my thyroid removed and depend on medication to replace the thyroxine by body needs. Some meds are impossible to do without

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Taylor Michaels June 9, 2013 at 4:17 pm

My wife has the same problem. She now takes Armour Thyroid (much better than the synthetic) which is desiccated pig thyroid. So, if all else fails, get a pig, a book and a knife.

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mike December 19, 2013 at 12:13 am

typically if you are a survivalist you won't be taking many medications because you will be in good health. Also, most meds require alot of technology to see if they are even effective, eventually you will require higher doses of the meds you are taking, and without the technology you won't realize that they are becoming ineffective. Certain medications would be useful though even to someone with no medical training such as antibiotics and tylenol. Other medications can save lives and be INCREDIBLY useful in bartering if you have any medical knowledge at all, such as epinephrine, benadryl, steroids, lidocaine etc

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Emerson July 15, 2010 at 10:21 am

Unless I missed it, what about Gasoline itself??? I saw gasoline containers on the list, as well as generators, etc. How are you going to run the stuff? With some "Stabil", the fuel should stay for a while.

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KarlRove July 27, 2010 at 4:10 am

Get a book on making bio-diesel and get a diesel generator! It is easy to make bio out of just about any kind of seed or nut including acorns! but you have to have a motor that will handle the fuel. Also, make sur e you have a spare wire set, spare air filter (#1 reason generators fail!) and 3 extra spark plugs

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Emerson July 28, 2010 at 6:42 pm

A great idea, never thought of that. Do you have recommendations for books that discuss how to properly do this process?

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Faith August 29, 2013 at 10:23 pm

We 'rotate' our stored gas through our cars every 4 to 6 months to keep it fresh. Getting some 'Stabil" is also a great idea.

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Kent February 2, 2014 at 12:57 am

If possible, I would avoid gasoline generators. Diesel has a much longer shelf life, or look for a dual fuel gasoline/propane generator. Propane, from what I have read, is a nearly endless shelf life. In the near future, I plan to change to a diesel vehicle for just that reason.

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Plain Brown Tabby July 19, 2010 at 7:13 pm

drugs!!! drugs!!! drugs!!!! prescription and OTC and "illegal". Knowing how to grow, process and administer marijuana and opium (humankind's oldest medicines) will be a highly prized survival skill when TSHTF.

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ZOMCON1 May 16, 2013 at 3:36 pm

Sure, and being under the influence of drugs will definitely increase the odds for their survival. Goof.

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KarlRove July 26, 2010 at 9:08 pm

You can never have enough 1. Socks..put em in vacuum pack bags. 2. Wire and pliers…1000 uses and takes up little room. 3. Survival Books!…especially medical and food preservation! 4. A country boy can survive!..learn to live country at least 2 or 3 weeks a year! That means only the stuff on your back (Bug out Bag) and your wits! When you start comming home after 2 weeks and have gained weight you are doing it right!

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Timekeeper July 31, 2010 at 12:39 pm

One thing that is always left off this list that i feel should at least be in the top 5 is antibiotics. should the SHTF big pharma will no longer be able to pump out antibiotics and other medications like them i.e. (doxycycline) i would put other medical supplies up there as well.

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crystal November 24, 2012 at 2:35 am

you can also get certain antibiotics otc like amoxicillin, cephalexin, and doxycycline from fish stores or online. they are labled for fish but are the same thing prescribed to people. learned this from a vet i worked for. it is important to research dosing and which works best for what i might add. I will also add that it is never a good idea to self diagnose or medicate unless absolutely necessary.

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Texas Chris October 2, 2013 at 4:46 am

Fish Mox, folks.

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Rastus McGee August 1, 2010 at 5:02 pm

as to storing gasoline you need to be carefull about the stabiliser you use, there is a new on that is made for the damn stuff that has 10-15% alcohol in it, also if you let regular gas (the stuff with alcohol in it) sit it will settle to the bottom of the tank. check out the wonderful things the govt has been doing in the "political correctness" areas that have actually made things more expensive. harrumph, sorry

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DiamondDoug August 2, 2010 at 7:46 pm

I'd make a trip to Mexico and stock up on ampicillin, prescription meds, and IV supplies, suture material, and pain meds. Even if you aren't trained, the info is in the printed wordon how to use it. Necessity is the mother of invention.

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countrygirl August 4, 2010 at 10:21 am

I agree with the medical supplies, emergency and medical types, if you don't know how to use it you may be able to find someone who can. Also get educated so you can use it. Another item, contreceptives, a survival situation is not the time for "accidents."

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Shagnasty February 22, 2012 at 7:59 pm

Or you could use an inter-uteran device, or IUD. Do it ahead of time, and you don't have to worry.

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Jenna October 12, 2012 at 3:41 am

Be careful with IUD's as they need to be removed a few years after insertion – I think 6? As they are usually clamped to the uterine wall, trying to remove it without a doctor could do a lot of damage!

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laura m. October 2, 2013 at 4:37 pm

Now is the time for getting sterilized so men and women won't have to bear the burden of a child who could possibly be orphaned or live in bad conditions with zero future.

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scott August 9, 2010 at 7:32 pm

I would ad hand crank or solar powered short wave/weather band radio.

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Ethan August 27, 2010 at 5:36 am

chewing tobacco good for bee/wasp/hornet stings and nicotene

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Guest June 15, 2012 at 9:51 pm

the weed called plantain works better than tobacco. Chew it up, crush it however you can and make a poultice of it to put on the bite or sting. Takes the ouch, swelling and itching out of it.

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Susan March 4, 2013 at 7:29 am

in the summer, you can chew up one of the plantain plants that grow in everyone's yards. Google a picture, they are a common broad leaf yard weed. They work like a charm on stings. I have used them myself with 100 percent success. I have no idea if they will work in the winter time as a dried plant.

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Sue March 4, 2013 at 7:30 am

lol, oh, you chew them up and stick them to the sting for about 15 minutes. sorry I forgot that part.

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DianeMargaret July 15, 2013 at 8:15 pm

Well…I wish I had known that last week when our little daughter was stung two days in a row!!!
I’ll have to add that to my list of knowledge!
Thank you!!!

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Ethan August 27, 2010 at 8:42 am

also coon/bear/boar hounds are a good choice besides big dogs, if u can get a good finished dog and the solar battery charger/rechargeble batteries / gps collor tracking system its worth the investment its a quicker way to get food. also no boot care supplies? u need the spray on protectant atleast if u use it regularly on gortex insulated boots you'll save your self some hell on the feet

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mike September 6, 2010 at 11:16 pm

how about cash….money and some gold coins

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legitimatecitizen November 30, 2010 at 11:41 am

Cash, a great firestarter.

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Carol February 26, 2013 at 6:43 pm

junk silver like washington quarters or roosevelt dimes might be good for barter

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Guest October 13, 2013 at 6:36 am

SHTF, like half-an-hour ago; do you really want to fight the mob at the ATM? you're liable to get clubbed over the head just for your gun or car keys, I'd steer clear of banks…

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Tamed Beast September 24, 2010 at 6:15 pm

A good quality air-rifle (with a "ridiculous" amount of BB's and pellets-good for barter) and wrist- rocket sling shot. I saw window screen patches, but I feel more comfortable with several full size rolls of screen- insects can make life miserable and be a health hazard (ever try to make window screen by hand?). If you have the space, old books on cooking, farming, chemistry, plumbing, fishing, hunting – WTSHTF the simpler "old" ways of doing things will probably be easier and more practical. How about a few bags of ready-mix cement and mortor, chimney / stove pipe, animal meds, extra AM/FM radios (great for barter!), Lots of dental floss- it's cheap at the dollar store, it's strong, and has a hundred uses: floss, thread, fishing line, lashing, boobytraps, snares, etc.!,

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Tamed Beast September 24, 2010 at 6:16 pm

Part 2 of Tamed Beats's comment—-Cheap but useable wristwatches, pocket knives, parachute cord, rolling papers and corn cob pipes, earbuds for quiet radio and walkie-talkie listening, $ store meds: aspirin, antacid, hydracortisone cream, band-aids, antihystimins, antibiotic ointment, etc. (great for barter!),, some kind of communication device- C.B., HAM radio, Marine radio, GMRS walkie talkies, the knowledge to "tap in" to a land line. Dual use or "Enduro" motiorcycles- some of these will get 50-75 MPG and are relativley inexpensive to buy and maintain- you can also ride where 95% of the rest of the population cannot! I know it was already mentioned, but you cannot have too much .22, .38, 9mm, .223 and 12ga ammo- this stuff will be better than cash if TSHTF- and used but good working guns for trade or barter.

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Tamed Beast September 24, 2010 at 3:17 pm

Part 3 of Tamed Beasts comment—–If you live near water of any kind a boat, canoe, raft, kayak would give you tremendous advantage over those without. Chapstick- life can get miserable with out it. Chicken wire, barbed wire, chainlink if possible, hooks, hinges and locks- all things needed for securing your homestead/retreat. Gun repair manuals, tools and commonly needed parts. Bow and arrows, extra bowstrings, broadheads and fletching.
Sorry about the rambling structure, but I started brainstorming after I started so this resembles raw thoughts more than a polished piece.

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Guest October 13, 2013 at 6:27 am

yea, those are all important. but, I think the point of the article was "Sh*t has JUST NOW hit the fan" so what do you grab at Wal*Mart if this is your last trip out before you board-up and load the shotguns?

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Raimundo September 26, 2010 at 2:02 pm

I guess you can add in reloading equipment and components such as powder and primers and also lead in case you have to cast bullets.

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@mikeycashgames October 11, 2013 at 9:34 pm

A great thing to know is to also have a black powder rifle. In a Bug-Out situation you can actually use the wheel weight mounts on 95% of cars to melt down into slugs. All you need is the shaper for the slug, a cracker, and swathes and powder for the rifle. If TSHTF than there will be cars strewn all over that can give access to high quality lead. This is also easier than gauging, weighing, and measuring your own rounds. Obviously it is not ideal especially for self defense but in a hunting situation you can save a lot of time and energy with black powder rifles. Plus the gear is a whole lot more portable.

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Guest October 13, 2013 at 6:31 am

I'd do everything in my power to have that stuff ahead of time, not be lugging it through the parking lot when SHTF and the only place to get it is stores where other armed rednecks shop, too – not name calling, just saying.

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2_Dozen September 26, 2010 at 11:16 pm

Spark plugs.
Shoe laces
Retin, that stuff that makes cheese
Firing pins
Wood shavings: gerbil bedding. This and a plastic bag was a Katrina emergency latrine
Spray paint
Shewers for shish kabobs
Dutch ovens

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legitimatecitizen November 30, 2010 at 11:46 am

Rennet is the stuff that you use in making cheese… BUT, unless you stock up on the tablets from the store, you have to refrigerate the liquid – a problem if the poop hits the air distribution devise. Alternately you can use LEMON JUICE, or WHITE VINEGAR to make simple farmer's cheese (like cottage cheese). Directions are widely available on line. Once you try it in your kitchen at home, you'll kick yourself for not making fresh cheese for yourself every week.

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Medius October 15, 2010 at 9:51 pm

I’d get as much chap stick as I could. When I go hiking and forget a chap stick my lips always chap and it ruins my good time. Imagine years on end like this!

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ron f October 20, 2010 at 8:59 am

yeah chap stick, lots of it, or you could use cat oil works just the same =).

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NoAm Zs NC May 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm

Chapstick's (or like products) also good to have on hand, when you feel a blister forming. Dab a little on the area to stop friction and blisters. Use your finger to apply it to your feet though (So you can still use the stick on your lips.) Otherwise, just Ewwww ; )

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jed January 17, 2013 at 5:44 pm

utter butter use for chafing and a number of other things

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm

Weakling

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George April 4, 2014 at 10:56 am

Chris,you would probably have Vaseline used on you.forget the chapstick…LMAO!

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AZ gal July 30, 2012 at 3:01 pm

If a person ran out of chapstick, they could always use petroleum jelly, (vaseline) or vegetable oil, it would be better than nothing, I suppose.

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sue January 17, 2013 at 5:43 pm

bag balm

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Zach October 17, 2010 at 7:21 am

WD-40?

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Jason October 25, 2010 at 7:16 pm

As a married man, my wife would be introuble without some feminine products.

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legitimatecitizen November 30, 2010 at 11:48 am

An excellent idea… PLUS, when making molatov cocktails, tampons make excellent fuses – no more wasting good t-shirts!

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laura April 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm

i use pads i made from old flannel. no chemicals. free. never run out. more comfortable.

an added bonus is that after i rinse them out, i can dump the water in the garden to feed the plants.

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a$$whole April 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm

ewwwwww! but wow, what a great idea.

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a$$whole April 28, 2012 at 10:32 pm

LOL! Your wife is a married man? ha ha, i love it!

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Jay March 6, 2013 at 9:29 pm

Maxi pads are also amazing for wounds because they soak up the blood and don't stick to skin like gauze. We used to use them playing ball when someone would slide and cut up their leg or arm.

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Genghis October 31, 2010 at 5:04 pm

Don't forget papones, for they are good for bullit wounds. They soak up the blood faster and can be pulled out and replaced quicker. Simple items can help you more than you think they can!!!!

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dirtybiskts November 8, 2010 at 6:46 pm

super glue.

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Genghis November 20, 2010 at 4:14 pm

water heaters have water inside, you get filters for the drain valve and add small amount of bleach to clean the water. it may taste bad, but it is drinkable.

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mike from tucson November 28, 2010 at 5:01 pm

Most younger Americans have never been really hungry and/or sick with no place to go for help. They have been spoiled with all the good things that society can provide and few have been burdened with any of the morality or ethics. Food, shelter, medicine… it's all owed to them. and then it's gone. No mom and dad to the rescue. No Salvation Army shelter, no soup lines, only grim reality. How will these young, strong, healthy brats react? Like the sociopaths the game videos have taught them to be. . In a week they will gang up, in two they will rape and pillage, in three they will help kill anyone who denies the gang.
Hunger is a great equalizer. A survivalist must plan especially well for the first month or two of anarchy. Crawl in you're hide and eat cold rats until the crazies have killed themselves off. Think mouse. Move only at night. Learn to meditate. Write a diary, but do not get in any predator's way. A smart mouse hides or runs away. Let others go to aid that screaming woman, don't be brave…and foolish. Remember, for all of your years of preparation and hard work, for all of your planning, one bright morning as you exit your privy, a 12 year old kid with a duct taped .22 single shot may leave his beauty mark on your forehead, and walk away whistling, and playing with his new " Wilson custom combat 1911."

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mike from tucson November 28, 2010 at 5:01 pm

Most younger Americans have never been really hungry and/or sick with no place to go for help. They have been spoiled with all the good things that society can provide and few have been burdened with any of the morality or ethics. Food, shelter, medicine… it's all owed to them. and then it's gone. No mom and dad to the rescue. No Salvation Army shelter, no soup lines, only grim reality. How will these young, strong, healthy brats react? Like the sociopaths the game videos have taught them to be. . In a week they will gang up, in two they will rape and pillage, in three they will help kill anyone who denies the gang.
Hunger is a great equalizer. A survivalist must plan especially well for the first month or two of anarchy. Crawl in you're hide and eat cold rats until the crazies have killed themselves off. Think mouse. Move only at night. Learn to meditate. Write a diary, but do not get in any predator's way. A smart mouse hides or runs away. Let others go to aid that screaming woman, don't be brave…and foolish. Remember, for all of your years of preparation and hard work, for all of your planning, one bright morning as you exit your privy, a 12 year old kid with a duct taped .22 single shot may leave his beauty mark on your forehead, and walk away whistling, and playing with his new " Wilson custom combat 1911."

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mike from tucson November 28, 2010 at 5:08 pm

Add-on: Oh, and for gear, an extra pair of wool socks, a good boonie hat and a couple candy bars. Liberate the rest.

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washo68 December 1, 2010 at 9:39 pm

Basic aspirin- would need a presciption for it if it wasn't so wide spread before the FDA
anti biotics- any and all- what would you trade if you needed to get rid of an infection for your kid?
Condoms- the idle time was mentioned, great for water transport (in sock for extra support)
Your skills- which have been practiced in the least of ideal situations. (i tried to light a fire during the rain today; got it lit, but took some time)
bike for urban use- look at china. for that matter to ride the 100 miles etc to your BOL. I can't imagine the traffic and while they're stuck you'll be riding by not walking
bear mace- so they don't steal your bike!
most of these were mentioned- but some I don't get in the list. "canned tuna in oil"? does it last longer cause it tastes like S.

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 7:18 am

Oil has more calories than water. Long term survival is a calorie game so more calorie dense foods are preferable.

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washo68 December 1, 2010 at 9:39 pm

Basic aspirin- would need a presciption for it if it wasn't so wide spread before the FDA
anti biotics- any and all- what would you trade if you needed to get rid of an infection for your kid?
Condoms- the idle time was mentioned, great for water transport (in sock for extra support)
Your skills- which have been practiced in the least of ideal situations. (i tried to light a fire during the rain today; got it lit, but took some time)
bike for urban use- look at china. for that matter to ride the 100 miles etc to your BOL. I can't imagine the traffic and while they're stuck you'll be riding by not walking
bear mace- so they don't steal your bike!
most of these were mentioned- but some I don't get in the list. "canned tuna in oil"? does it last longer cause it tastes like S.

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greywolf October 3, 2013 at 8:02 pm

In a SHTF scenario, people may need the extra calories provided by the oil in the can of tuna.

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mike December 28, 2010 at 12:56 pm

i really appreciate the list,had things on it i have not thought of.i would add medications and otc(over the counter)meds as the first thing to go or at least in the top 5.i have kids that are adhd and it is impossible to get more than a 30 day supply of those meds due to their classification.my wife can get a 90 day supply of her diabetic meds but what happens when that 90 day supply runs out and no meds can be found anywhere?i would suggest adding antibiotics to the list,all forms of pinicillin,cepro,doxycycline,ect…a sad but realistic fact is the sick and the medicine dependant populations will be the first to die.

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Mike April 18, 2014 at 6:23 am

ADHD is a bull$#!t problem invented by modern society that makes a medical problem out of a simple statistical instance. Everyone has a different set of parameters by which their brain operates that we can define as their own personal neurology. A few of those parameters include but are not limited to, "attention span" and "need for novelty". Some people can sit at length and build a ship in a bottle or do a jigsaw puzzle, before they experience the inevitable yawn or stretch that indicates that their brain is now tiring of this experience and it desires something new to experience. Others have very short lengths of time that they can sit and focus on a particular experience before their brain decides it wants something new to experience.

Medication is not necessary to treat this. Self knowledge and proper planning and execution are necessary. If your kids can focus on something for 5 minutes at a time and they need things to do, give them a 5 minute timer and have them go fold laundry for 5 minutes. Then have them do 5 minutes of dishwashing. Then have them go clean their room for 5 minutes. Keep switching the task every 5 (or 8 or 12 or 15 minutes depending on your kids particular neurology) minutes and you will get results. You won't ever get them to finish one big project in one fell swoop, but that's not the child life gave you, so modify your expectations and do the best you can with what you have.

I'm speaking from experience here. I planned math and problem solving classwork and homework for 200 kids per week for the past 5 years and was able to get them to a high level of success.

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lordgarion514 December 30, 2010 at 1:47 am

http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/update1…

Notice the URL……Harvard…..read it. And then look up the original study by the military. Two small quotes.

"With a large and expensive stockpile of drugs, the military faced tossing out and replacing its drugs every few years. What they found from the study is 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date."

"A rare exception to this may be tetracycline, but the report on this is controversial among researchers. It's true the effectiveness of a drug may decrease over time, but much of the original potency still remains even a decade after the expiration date. Excluding nitroglycerin, insulin, and liquid antibiotics, most medications are as long-lasting as the ones tested by the military. Placing a medication in a cool place, such as a refrigerator, will help a drug remain potent for many years."

This military study focused on the top 100 meds needed "in the field". So obviously it would have focused on pain killers(both script and OTC) and antibiotics. Basically the Military found out that the Govt mandated exp. date that is stamped on every med made is basically useless…..No one ever wonder how almost all meds "magically" lasted just a single year? And no one ever notice the date is always a year from the time you buy the meds(scripts obviously?) You really think every pharmacy gets all new meds every day or something?

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EMTP December 31, 2010 at 12:54 pm

As simple as it is most people don't think about Diphenhydramine(Benadry)l tablets. In any emergency there is a big risk of allergies and allergic reactions. This is the one stop fix for that as well as a very effective sleep aid. And by any means available get as much of your prescription meds and antibiotics. In the days before them simple infections killed more people than all wars combined.

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krepto January 4, 2011 at 12:11 am

well if you dont use the condom filled with water for starting a fire you're golden right? lol

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krepto January 4, 2011 at 12:17 am

http://www.solio.com/charger/ …….i dont know much about these. I've read some reviews and apparently they are good portable chargers. otherwise there's always electricity via fruit. even gatorade has electrolytes.

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guest January 17, 2011 at 2:46 am

aisian sour cucumber has been a diabetes home remedy for years… my oh my how did the human race manage to survive millions of years without antibiotics…. eat right, exercise, drink lots of water, your body can fight off most infections. If you are living right you wont catch that mutated zombie aids virus.

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NerdyAdventurer February 14, 2011 at 2:04 pm

And short life expectancies…….

But you are generally right. I think I heard something about and ounce of prevention and a pound of cure once…..

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tomkinton January 18, 2011 at 6:39 am

Mike: good stuff. Google 'nine meals from anarchy' for a description of your scenario. As a Katrina volunteer, I saw how quickly civil society deteriorated over the lack of certain items. Sites like this provoke cogent debate, and lead (hopefully) to reasoned preparation and a cool head in times of trouble. Agree completely with the mouse analogy; more to the point, my sense is we all should be a little more quiet about our plans and preparations. Personally I will do a bait-and-switch soon in my town. Too many folks know too much. Relocating certain items to a hide-site so as to minimize initial loss. The wave, in my opinion, will last less than a month. tomk

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JOHN February 2, 2011 at 4:19 pm

GENTLEMEN, THE ONLY THING THAT WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE BESIDES ALL THESE GOODIES
IS A GROUP SITUATION. IT COULD BE NEIGHBORS, COULD BE RELATIVES, COULD BE US GUYS WHO FORM A GROUP THAT WILL SHARE AND CAN DEFEND OUR GROUP FROM MAURADERS, SKUM BAGS, AND MOOCHERS WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE……………."UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL" I HAVE STUDIED THIS AT FT LEAVENWORTH, KS IN THE COMMAND AND GENERAL STAFF SCHOOL. THEY NOT ONLY TEACH MILITARY SUBJECTS BUT ALSO CIVILIAN CHAOS SITUATIONS AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED…………A SMALL GROUP, 8-10 WON'T SURVIVE – IT'S GOT TO BE AT LEAST 20 WITH THE MEANS TO DEFEND YOUR SELVES – AR-15'S, SHOTGUNS ETC
PLAN AHEAD – WITH THIS GUY AND HIS BUDDIES IN CHARGE WE MAY NEED ALL OF THIS SOON

TRIPP, US ARMY RETIRED AIRBORNE RANGER

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Kupo July 15, 2013 at 12:03 pm

This is assuming its people you one hundred percent trust. Even then, your trust isn’t stopping them from turning on you. You can’t control a group that large unless they are all military, and I’ve seen military when they aren’t in uniform. They can be crazy sometimes! Big groups lead to big problems. Mutiny will be afoot.

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Guest February 11, 2011 at 3:14 pm

Antifreeze

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NerdyAdventurer February 14, 2011 at 2:19 pm

Does anyone know if farm supply stores carry any non-penicillin antibiotics? Way too many people are allergic to it these days to not plan for an alternative.

General guide for others: this may be obvious but if it ends in “cillin” it is a penicillin based med. A good second option is to look for the “mycins”.

I would suggest learning a production skill and stocking up on whatever you need to for that. If you are planning with a group, then have everyone learn (at least) one production skill, all different and balancing one anothers. Then you all are making stuff that is useful for your group and is great for trade.

Semi-brief example: I’m a paramedic, my job is to gather medical supplies(not really ‘production’ but still highly tradable). My husband has taken up leather working, he is stocking up on leather as well as learning to produce his own leather. My mother and brother are bowyers and fletchers. My father is an experienced and accomplished forester. My Sis-in-law, has taken up seamstress skills. We’re picking up other skills as well, but you get the idea.

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tyler July 14, 2011 at 9:15 am

bag balm is a good antibiotic sold at most farm supply stores around here they sell it by the 8 oz can. no tube just reach in get a good glob on your finger and schmear it on your would. it is also petroleum a good fire starter.

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Erin May 15, 2012 at 8:03 pm

Tetramycin is a common livestock antibiotic

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himagain February 14, 2011 at 11:58 pm

Well, the entire gamut of possibilities seemed to covered here, but 3 things stand out to me:
1. Most people have never practised "camping out". Today, they have never walked a mile in their life.
2. Most people have no idea of how fast civilisation can drop back to 17th century. (78,000 products have been invented in the last 15 years).
3. Manual skills are almost non-existent. So are manual tools.

Here are some suggestions about EXTREME survival:
1. Learn to sew.
2. Learn to repair.
3. Learn to navigate.
4. Learn to hunt – just practise stalking, not killing.
5. Get hold of 19th century tools and artifacts.
6. Learn to shoot properly, defensively. Including a crossbow.
7. Learn to make explosives.
8.Learn to make and use traps.
9. Learn bushcraft: what to eat, what not.
10. Learn to plant unusual seeds over a wide area – most "weeds" are edibles and medicinal.
MOST IMPORTANT: Forget pharmaceuticals. They are basically bad for you and do nothing of value for your body that your new "diet" won't soon fix. (Go read http://www.Mercola.com ) and get some real facts.
Learn how to make Colloidal Silver at home. Read up on it and ignore the nonsense about it turning people blue!
There is utterly nothing more valuable for first aid than this.

Of course all the above is apocalyptic.
But if you've never travelled and seen how most of the world lives…. and dies, there is a very high chance that the USA will at least have a new social structure very soon: 80% of you will be reduced to a third world lifestyle and the USA has not got the capacity left to really start the machine again if it stops.
This is a more expectable future:
No jobs, no pensions, no welfare, no forseeable manpower-using growth. This means really bad times in the cities.
Get out while you can. Your best asset may well be a shotgun and a home vegetable garden.
Peace!
Himagain

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Johno October 11, 2011 at 4:23 am

I like what u say on looking back to older skills which means doing things with yr own head&hands,as for owning weapons that implies using them,it seems against percevied threats-have u ever shot someone,do u think u can?u might find that u cant do it unless trained,I wonder how it would go down?

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Richard September 22, 2012 at 6:42 pm

So the pharmaceutical drugs my girlfriend takes for her epiliepsy are garbage, eh? Colloidal silver fixes it? No. Colloidal silver DOES have a lot of uses, but it doesn't fix everything.

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Liz23 February 15, 2011 at 7:27 pm

This also works for ant bites. (New here! Hello. :)

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lee1213 March 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

never heard of that

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Pigfoodfrank February 24, 2011 at 7:42 pm

Never understood people packing shampoo, deoderant, soap and the like. Yeah, feeling clean is nice, but all of these things contain perfumes. What do perfumes do? Attract animals, Mosquitos, and hungry survivors. Mosquitos being the worst, considering there will probably be plenty due to the imposing amount of stagnant water that will be prevalent. We already know that Mosquitos can transmit malaria, west Nile, and a variety of other nasty things and considering the poor sanitation and a dwindling supply of meds that'll be the last thing we need.

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Richard September 22, 2012 at 6:44 pm

Being clean isn't about the feeling of it, it helps stop the transmission of disease, and it can kill bacteria that would otherwise make you really sick, and decrease your chances of survival in a SHTF situation. You can get non-scented or perfume-free soaps. And mosquitos are attracted to your CO2 output from exhaling.

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drew March 2, 2011 at 11:48 am

wow i cannot believe we all forgot 550 paracord

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 7:33 am

A lot cheaper than 550 cord is masons twine or tarred bank line. Both can be bought in several diameters and are great for lashing. You can get several hundred feet for $10 and if you get the laid (twisted) kind instead of the braided you can separate it into 3 smaller strands as well. A quick search turned up 486′ of 275lb test line for $14. You can get heavier or lighter strength. It’s nice too because you don’t think so hard about cutting a piece of it like you do your 550 cord.

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Lins March 3, 2011 at 1:25 pm

Motivation & Positivity : )
Salt
Fats: oils, butters, lard, etc.
Charcuterie knowledge
Dry Bags, ziplocs, plastic storage bins, etc.

Bible, Torah, Koran, etc.

Bicyle, Sea Kayak

Check out the free lectures available at your library. They have a wide range of subjects with special guest speakers. I plan to go to an upcoming beekeeping seminar (curiosity). Also, you don't have to own a boat to get sailing lessons. Many state parks offer lessons.

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Lins March 3, 2011 at 1:26 pm

*bicycle*

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ana March 6, 2011 at 8:09 pm

Im in my early 30's, love all the great ideas…how about a radio, a short wave, or ham radio. keep comunication with others.

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aztec March 8, 2011 at 7:40 pm

looking for suvival moutain location [group]

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HCFRMedic March 13, 2011 at 8:50 pm

Helo. I am new to this in a sense but have been stocking up on essentials for the past year or so. Little bit here, little bit there but still a long way off. I think a valid suggestion would be to take a First responder/ EMT class. They are relatively short and very informative and could be the one thing that gives you the knowledge and ability to help others, especially those in your family, in a medical situation with no other help available. I am a Paramedic which is much more advanced than an EMT but we are still only as good as the equipment we have. I do stock uip on Benadryl, Aspirin, Pain relievers and IV fluids etc. A litle bit of time can go a long way.

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chip March 14, 2011 at 3:46 pm

i saw mop bucket for clothes washing ..instead get a 5 gallon bucket w/ lid and a good old plunger , cut a hole in lid for plunger handle use it as the "agitator" plus there are many other uses for the bucket

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ahumphrey2005 March 18, 2011 at 6:42 am

I want to add condoms to the list, any other birth control methods.Both(as country girl says)because WTSHTF is not the time for accidents but because (as ironpete) mentions think about what skills you can barter! Ladies, the oldest profession is not farming and if you find yourself needing to barter something….you are gonna want condoms in your survival kit.
Feminine products are also gonna be worth a LOT us spoiled modern women, myself included are gonna be hard put to survive without our tampons, pads, and yeast infection supplies.

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NurseKC July 27, 2011 at 7:26 pm

ITA… I have been stocking up on pads for myself and my 2 daughters. I'm staying away from the tampons though WTSHTF because of the TSS/ infection risk. I hadn't thought about the yeast infection supplies yet..but that will be one of the next things that I start stocking up on too. :)

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DLF November 5, 2012 at 7:31 am

For feminine hygiene I recommend a Diva or Moon cup! Small &I easy to carry/store. Reusable

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USPatriota August 18, 2011 at 10:51 pm

BTW the oldest profession is farming

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Fantine March 23, 2011 at 4:39 am

As a homeopath I have put together an emergency homeopathics kit with 41 combination remedies and instructions on how to use them. Enough to help yourself and all your family, friends, and neighbors in one bullet box container. Don’t forget that it isn’t enough to survive, one must thrive and one the the best ways to do that is to help others.

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Holly March 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm

will you share the info?

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Gloria February 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm

Do you have a kist if items in your kit?

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james March 23, 2011 at 6:10 pm

So this all great info. long term and short term and I am learning alot ,but has any one thought of were you going to take a dump or thought about keeping camp sanitary ? My answer ,look into composting toilets that way you could kill two birds with one stone , sanitation, and its a great ferterlizer / compost to grow your own food its a proven method and its safe and cleen ..plus they do not need runing water !!!

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rebecca March 26, 2011 at 12:16 pm

great ideas, wonder if anyone thought of long term supplies like seeds, water barrels, and my personal favorite, the 110 pound German Shepard at my feet. Fully trained, very quiet, and has my back 24 hours a day.

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Random April 6, 2011 at 4:16 pm

The dog and the seeds were on the list. All of them are a good idea.
The only problem with dogs is that they need lots of food.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:59 pm

Counterpoint: Get a small hunting dog. A big dog for security… meh, having someone on watch with a rifle with a small dog as hillbilly radar would work just as well.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:58 pm

Christ, that dog's almost as big as I am… and I'm not that small… =(
I just hope that the S does not HTF for another 5 years or so, give me time to bulk up and prepare.

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guest April 3, 2011 at 11:22 pm

I think guns will not disapear. you will be able to build a zip gun as long as you can get a can of hairspray and access to a junk pile.

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bob April 6, 2011 at 11:20 pm

i have two cans of scotchgard in my bag. waterproofing is a necessity or have you never been wet and cold.. also rem oil for rifles , guns etc, and refills for butane and propane, mapp gas and charcoal brickettes chapstick, tampons, toilet paper, all essentials

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Janie April 8, 2011 at 11:55 am

I started doing this a few years ago… there are a lot of great items listed here! Benadryl was at the top of my list because of allergies! Also antibiotic ointment and something for poison ivy! Plus if you buy it new check the dates. Stores do not always have fresh items on their shelves. If you are doing this, be sure to go back and check expiration dates and make sure batteries still work and such every so often. Time flies and suddenly the things you packed are outdated. (I expected something to happen a long time ago.)

There was an interesting tv series that I think lasted for one year that I bought on DVD… It is called The Colony. http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/discovery-debu… It might give you some ideas. The show got old and I was glad when I finally finished it, but I still think it was worth it.

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Holly March 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm

So is benadryl the only allergy medicine you recomend? is zyrtec just as effective?

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Julie carr September 19, 2012 at 7:25 am

The bext thing for poison ivy doesn't come in a bottle- it is jewelweed-wold impatiens- that grows in just about every woodland in the eastern US. You break the stems and rub them on you if you come in contact with poison ivy. You won't get it. if you already have it, ends the skins eruptions days earlier. Two extracts from this plant are used commercially in Preparation H. It is an easily found, easy to identify plant. Learn it-hikers and backpackers do!

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sylv April 8, 2011 at 3:52 pm

needles and thread

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sunny soul April 11, 2011 at 6:59 am

Hi Chef bear,
Probiotics are used to build up the immune system. They contain the exteme ingredient found in the best yogurts. It is what one is supposed to take along to third world countries for Montezuma's Revenge. Also, there are several herbal antibiotics that are natural. One is the hot oregano which may come from northern Italy and the Meditarannean. Cayenne does wonders for heating up every aspect of the inards.

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John Hawg April 13, 2011 at 1:46 pm

Way up the comment list from Carl talks about 20-something and meds, etc. After digging into all this data and info the last month, it seems this survivalism definitely is in theory a young man’s or gal’s game. I am 60 with a 58 year old Motel 6 dependent wife and 13 year old special ed child. My only rational plan is an in-house scenario, because we got no where to bug out to. You guys that really think you’re going to make it in the mountains for a year are seriously in denial as to reality. Now you special forces guys might do it, but… So, buy more ammo, food, water and plan on a barricade scenario to hold out as long as you can. We live in the moderate temp south and year before last we lost power in an ice storm for 3 days. The house finally got down to a mere 55 degrees and it was tough. The Coleman stove and lanterns held out. What if it got to 40 degrees and the stove fuel ran out……and at my age I’m going to put my hopes in a plastic tarp shelter out in the forest or swamp somewhere eating MREs for a month. How do we balance reality with faith in some eventual stability? I mean if the suitcase bomb(s) goes off, would it be worth living?

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Meagn June 7, 2011 at 3:16 pm

I think there is a lot of "fantasy football" that gets played out on these forums. If you read between the lines, it seems to me that many people sort of look forward to the end of our current social structure, and a new beginning in which their particular skill set or area of expertise has more importance or value to society than it does now. It must be frustrating to people to be so capable of living in an 18th century world where they are beset on all sides by hordes of uneducated, starving, diseased masses, yet trapped in a 21st century world of soft suburban excess. In this world, our current reality, all their achievements amount to a peculiar hobby to most people. So some people use the reality of our depressed economy, the erosion of our personal freedoms, the empowerment of corporate entities, the lack of political alternatives, etc, etc, to engage in some escapist fantasy about living in a cave in the hills. I look at "survivalism" as "pragmatism". I am paying off all of my debts. I am taking care of any "deferred maintenance" on my house now while I can afford it. I am insisting that all my senior citizen family members pay off any debts and trying to get them to all move into the same neighborhood as me. I am paying for extra medication for family when I can. I have created disaster evacuation maps for all of my family members, indicating the safest escape routes from here to a relative 400 miles away and all our relatives in between and safe and clean hotels. I have scanned everyone's birth certificates, medical cards, insurance information, and other important documents, had those usb's encrypted, stored with family members and in a safe deposit box. Paid for family members to take gun safety and basic self defense classes. Scheduled CPR and first aid classes for family members. Worked with family members to make sure that all of our houses had hurricane shutters prepared, ready to go (we live in a coastal area). I am now in the process of trying to get each household to prepare 1 months supply of water and food. My husband and I stockpile ammo, are building a well, tend chickens, garden and are trying to figure out how to afford a few solar panels. These are all small changes that your family can make over time that do not require any commando like thinking. They simply require an acknowledgement that sometimes the shit does indeed hit the fan and that you are responsible for yourself and your own.

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steven October 24, 2011 at 12:39 pm

It's always worth living, and when you have to you might be surprised to find out what you can do. I am not saying that anything is going to happen (god knows I have a good life and don't want anything to happen), but I won't sit around while I have a chance to prepare. The first thing everybody says in an emergency, or a bad situation is "I never thought it would happen to me". Why be that person, if you can become part of a larger solution then why be the one sitting there saying "I can't believe that happened, now what do I do". Some people will always be more fanatical than others, but in the end what happens happens, we live we move on and we do the best that we can.

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bigskyguy52 April 13, 2011 at 4:01 pm

One item actually 2 items no one has thought about are dust/surgical masks and a few air filters for the truck. This is in case yellowstone blows up!!!!!!!

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Abia The Cat April 23, 2011 at 4:34 pm

Meat grinders will be the next thing to disappear. You can take scrap meat and make red meat or fish meat hamburger out of it. Bean grinders are handy, too. As well as corn or grain grinders for animal feed like corn grit for chicks and small fowl or making your own grain breads. Some animals have a tough time eating dried corn off a cob. Meat injection tools will disappear when people begin to learn how to smoke their own meats. You have to inject the brine deep into the muscle and in the joints to keep it from rotting as it's smoked then hung up in the smoke house. Don't forget heavy duty files or any good quality steel hand tool that is used as maintenance for other tools like gardening or farming tools to horse hoof care or making your own weapons. Many folks will find it hard to lose their technological advantages as these items become more scarce as the industrial side of America sinks with her economy. Wouldn't be a bad idea to learn basic backyard blacksmithing or basic light metal welding, too. Skills like those can put you in a better position for bartering labor for goods.

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Jack Fallin May 3, 2011 at 6:02 pm

Common sense will disappear first followed by reason and then sanity. Keeping your head when others around are losing theirs will be the best thing to keep. I am not sure that we can list everything that we might need and will not be available in a true disaster scenario. WD-40, aspirin, ear plugs, shin guards, football helmet, anything that you can't think of right now will be the first thing to disappear. I believe that it all comes down to setting priorities of survival versus comfort, Then comfort then pleasure. Video games, cell phones, face book, social media, and CNN will not be needed.
Semper Fi

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Mark May 7, 2011 at 5:33 am

I would be cautious when using guns/ammo for barter. When TPHTF even neighbors could turn on neighbors, and if you were smart enough to be prepared and they weren't, giving them the means to harm or threaten or rob you might not be smart.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 4:01 pm

I think the trick is though, that they already had guns, so probably some ammo too, you would just be increasing there stock. No one would go down to zero bullets before asking around for them.

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James May 7, 2011 at 2:31 pm

tabacco

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DancingKim May 11, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Howdy, i’m a professional dancer. i want to make a showreel with regard to my promotions. I also need to use some animation. Can someone suggest me the best animation studio, but possibly not very expensive? I’m here for 3 months for a tour.

Love

Kim.

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Keith January 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm

Wrong place to advertise the bodily ware here honey. We are a serious crowd. Sorry. Good luck with the looks, they don't last long and will not help you when you're 30 and cellulite sets in. Sorry we can't help you. Well… not really.

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Wesley July 12, 2013 at 9:29 pm

Don’t waste our time posting spam like this here.

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Dave May 19, 2011 at 2:30 pm

Bottled water goes first.

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Dave May 19, 2011 at 2:32 pm

Canned soup goes second.

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tim May 25, 2011 at 1:33 pm

Anyone with money won't be around if they can help it. They will be in a different state or country living it up. So have fun looting their houses, unless they left security.

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Matt Powers May 26, 2011 at 1:18 pm

A pocket bong
Some good weed
and seeds (to plant)
Waterproof matches
and lighters (refillable butane with a bottle of butane is the way to go)
Some aluminum foil (for pipe making and other uses)
Rolling papers
Fritos (both as munchies and a firestarter)
Peanut Butter (also as munchies and bait in traps)
Lots of water
Comic books
CCR
Hackey sack
and a good pair of Scissors

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Keith January 27, 2012 at 5:08 pm

Haha! Hey, I've got some serious pain issues with screwed up body parts. When pain killers run out (I am actively stocking them, BUT they will run out) I plan on smokin' the home grown. 500 seeds now and counting. Love weed, but only for…medicinal use. (???) and stress, and fun and enjoyment with wife. Heck with booze. That stuff will kill ya.

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late but catchin up April 19, 2012 at 7:39 pm

Better REALLY stock up on those fritos because when the munchies set in you'll need them. Shortly there after you'll just be the next victim.

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greywolf October 3, 2013 at 8:23 pm

Gotta love the 'kids', but seriously, weed wouldn't be a bad thing to cultivate after a SHTF scenario. And I love the hackey sack idea, though I'm not sure I'd have the energy after working in the garden all day, grinding the grain to make bread, cutting wood for the fire, etc.

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John May 27, 2011 at 1:02 pm

Fellow preppers: I am somewhat surprised to see so much of the "stuff" we need for survival, but realistically, all that for a bug out? Do you have an 18-wheeler or what? Now for me this advise is perfect because I am working the Bug-In angle. No way at my age etc can I realistically expect to bug out into the wilderness and live more than a few days. And I wonder just how long we think an event might occur before Uncle reconstitutes itself to the rescue? I just don't see hiding out somewhere long enough to plant seeds and raise a garden. At home, ok, but out in the purely undeveloped wilds? For an urban scenario all I can invision is a week or more of hiding at home, defending the castle against intrusion (which happens now) and enough provisions to do that. Am I alone in this thinking?

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Feet on Ground May 28, 2011 at 4:17 pm

No, I think you are about right. But for those who live in very dense cities it is a little different.
Very large cities would become intolerable very, very quickly if essentials ran out.

The problem is population density. Take a couple million people all on top of each other, a disaster, failing emergency services, massive food and water shortages, etc, and pretty soon things could get a little confrontational!

For the guys in the big cities I think bugging out is the only option.

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keith January 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm

I'm a minimalist. But, I have some training. Learn to use what you have, and only take what you have practical experience with, otherwise it is dead weight. If it doesn't fit in my camper shell, and it isn't absolutely neccessary… then it's out! Not enough people get into the woods to actually practice bushcraft – which is essential if you want to survive. City dwellers? Get out now… what's wrong with that? There are jobs elsewhere that won't stick you in the worst places ever for immediate survival. I'm with you… It won't be a forever situation in all probability. If it is, then we adapt or die. Good point, my friend. :)

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Feet on Ground May 28, 2011 at 3:47 pm

They didn't teach you how to use the caps lock key though, did they?

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late but catchin up April 19, 2012 at 7:15 pm

Beautiful responce.

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LearningMama June 5, 2011 at 7:23 pm

The first thing to go is usually common sense with stupidity taking its place. "People perish for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

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Pale Rider June 9, 2011 at 9:53 pm

why you reckon they used to hang horse thieves? A mare can live on grass and make getting around & trading possible & replace itself. chickens without grain (which you will eating) will die during winter.

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tlyn November 16, 2012 at 1:27 am

Chickens will eat grass and insects they don't need grain. There for they will double as pest control.

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Ann December 22, 2012 at 12:24 am

Chickens eat anything. I've seen mine chase each other for a dead bird or rat, not pleasant, but true.

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Griffin June 27, 2011 at 12:55 am

Dont be a fool… wrap your tool.

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Kris February 1, 2014 at 2:23 pm

Don't forget that condoms have lots of survival uses besides wrapping your "tool".

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Griffin June 27, 2011 at 1:00 am

First Aid, Trauma Care, etc, anyone with these things will be valuable. People forget how fragile they are, and how often they've come close to biting it if they didn't receive care.

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Sp00kie June 27, 2011 at 7:48 am

I really hate to say it, but the current editions of the Boy Scout Handbooks are almost worthless. When I was a Scout (20+ years ago) the Handbook was great–looking through my son's recently, a lot of useful information has been lost due to various reasons (leave no trace, etc.)

I would definitely recommend getting an older edition if you must.

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person July 7, 2011 at 10:42 am

What!?!?! No HONEY!!!!!!! Thats a down right out rage!!!!!!!!!

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tyler July 14, 2011 at 9:01 am

i think transformers need to be on the list, second to generators

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tyler July 14, 2011 at 9:04 am

And bag balm of course, antiseptic used in live stock but will work on any human around. it is a cure to whatever the hell ails you. and its petroleum (firestarter)

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tyler July 14, 2011 at 9:23 am

Hard alcohol is sure to be gone. it can be used as a heat source (drinking it), antiseptic, firestarter, and 110 proof and higher as fuel. i cant believe everyone forgot alcohol.

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steven October 24, 2011 at 12:45 pm

Drinking it does not actually make you warmer, and in fact makes you more suseptable to the elements, it just makes you feel warmer. Of course if you drink enough of it you really don't care. The other uses are good examples though, Everclear is very cheap and excellent for most of those uses

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keith January 27, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Quick correction, no offense meant :) Alcohol may make you 'feel' warmer, but in reality, it thins the blood and makes the body much more prone to frost bite. I will admit, a nip or two wouldn't hurt, but it takes up 2 liters of water space! LOL!

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S1nn3r1 July 21, 2011 at 4:13 pm

I don't thump it but a bible. Sometimes the words in red are a comfort. Especially when people don't prep. And for those of us that do, so we remember to help our fellow man WHEN we can. Other then that my Rugar 10/22 (plus other items/weapons) and lots of 22 ammo.

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Derek July 25, 2011 at 3:34 am

Lots of socks!!! And lots of extra pairs of good boots.

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Tom July 25, 2011 at 8:56 am

This isn't a list of things you need to have in a bug out bag, people. It's a list of the things that are most likely to disappear off the shelves of stores in an emergency situation. (There are plenty of lists online of what you should be stocking up on, or reading about, or whatever.)

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 8:05 am

Thank you! I’ve been thinking that on almost every post I’ve read. I know several that posted are trying to put goats into their bugout bag as I type this.

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Sweet Nez August 14, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Or, you know, just don't have sex.

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steven October 24, 2011 at 9:22 am

Sorry to disagree with you, but that is just crazy. From a psycological standpoint alone, sex releases chemicals in your brain (endorphins) that actually make it easier for you to deal in the event of an emergency or when TSHTF. Masterbation also works but for a shorter period of time as it releases fewer endorphins. That good feeling that you have afterwards is not just because you got lucky it really is a good feeling caused by chemical reaction.

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MurderMode236 February 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm

Not to mention sex is awesome.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 4:06 pm

NO

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chesterthecat August 18, 2011 at 6:30 pm

That list would require a Uhaul to move around. I think you need to pick and choose from that list things that are most important to you. I think having some Marijuana to trade as a pain killer and a stress reliever would be very in demand and good for lots of toilet paper if you run out.

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hasenbensober August 23, 2011 at 12:22 pm

With all the threats to contend with if TSHTF no one has mentioned disabilities. I realize that we can all help each other to some degree but as a for instance (in my case) not being able to hear is a very personal problem if there is no one around and you run out of batteries. Just wanted to bring that out to get some of us thinking about it.

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AuntyBetty August 27, 2011 at 1:21 am

@Jaaak, snopes.com disagrees with the “chapstick”.. Duh.

To add to list= condoms

Looks good so far, nice work!

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MjeanM September 6, 2011 at 5:32 am

condoms? do you really needs those in a disaster situation ?

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Geoff September 10, 2011 at 6:25 pm

No TV, Radio, Computer Games. WTF else is there to do?

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MjeanM September 10, 2011 at 10:34 pm

point.

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Me April 25, 2013 at 1:04 am

"what else is there to do?" have you really thought about how much there would be to do? we only have the time for tv, radio, and computers, because we're not busy actually surviving. I'm not saying condoms are a bad idea, (they have many uses) just saying that you may be a lot busier than you think if something major did happen.

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Leviticus August 28, 2011 at 9:55 am

That’s a good list to take into consideration.

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MikeyDee September 5, 2011 at 8:19 am

All of this in a BOB? I have a "Get Home Bag" in the stretch cab of the truck. There also is weather reliable clothing to use with the GHB if needed. Also shovel,, saw, road flares (start fires readily), tarp, and a light box.

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MikeyDee September 5, 2011 at 8:21 am

OOPS wrong "forum".

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MjeanM September 6, 2011 at 5:30 am

Can you store gas for long periods of time?

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MjeanM September 6, 2011 at 5:39 am

Oh you forgot heirloom seeds. The kind you can regrow, or cultivate more seeds from. you know so you can plant fresh fruit and vegetables. personally a must for any long term location you have.

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Ann December 22, 2012 at 12:28 am

Good note. Hybrid seeds can't be used for growing, they won't.

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GIjoe September 8, 2011 at 5:29 pm

Distilling equipment, for water,fuel, and medicine.

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beenthere4real September 11, 2011 at 8:32 pm

I'm glad to see some other realists out there! I can't stress enough that after you've put together your survival supplies, the need for barter supplies because lets face it cash aint goona be worth squat if the infastructure collapses. Cigarettes,booze,chocolate,extra ammo and toiletries are great barter supplies to have extras of, I have been planning and stocking up for years and while you can't ever be to prepared I believe me and mine will be able to survive almost any situation that comes our way.

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NCRidgeRunner September 21, 2011 at 1:10 am

what about “Milk an Bread”?

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Guest October 12, 2011 at 1:23 pm

The first thing to disappear is of course, common sense.

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Guest October 12, 2011 at 1:40 pm

Also, Tabasco sauce.

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willowa October 14, 2011 at 9:00 pm

Oddly enough most lists, while they may be there, don't have matches listed very high on their priority. Get wooden "kitchen" matches, the 'strike anywhere' kind (and get match books as well). The USA seems to be the only place in the world that makes 'strike anywhere' matches and even here they are getting a bit harder to find. (believe me, all the "strike on the box" matches in the world aren't going to do much good if the 'striker' strip is worn out, and most of the time that happens well before the matches are gone.)

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 8:09 am

Get a couple of firesteels. They are better than matches. $30 worth can start 50,000 to 100,000 fires and work even when wet..

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RathrBRidn March 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm

I repack the boxed matches into pill bottles with a piece of sandpaper in each.

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willowa October 14, 2011 at 9:01 pm

Continuation of the 'match thing',
All the other (besides lighters) methods of making fires are good and important, but you can't/don't want to have to do that every time you light a candle, fire, lantern, stove, etc. You don't want want tohave to 'keep something burning' to light off of, as that expends fuel or candles. Matches are cheaper, etc. A regular (not the small, -strike on the box- type, once called 'penny matches') box of wooden matches has about 300 matches, a box of matchbooks has 1,000 matches, get several, they're pretty cheap and as most stores don't carry a lot of matches, they would go pretty fast!

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steven October 24, 2011 at 9:27 am

I got your back too, but I a SHTF situation a screaming woman bring a couple of well armed men would work great as a trap, (watch any post apocaliptic movie). A couple of people can get all the ammo and guns they need if they put a moman into a confined space and she screams.

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Sparkle Carinio October 29, 2011 at 6:27 am

Probably be better of creating your won uniqu content

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Stephanie November 9, 2011 at 4:56 pm

Just use reusable menstrual products ladies!

They are easy, more comfortable and take up less space.

Not to mention better for the environment.

I’ve been using them since I started a non profit org and I’ll never go back to those disposable plastic things.

Check it out at http://www.Facebook.com/padpals

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Joshua December 27, 2011 at 9:22 pm

Not sure about Pad Pals but my girlfriend uses the Diva Cup and loves it. it's made of silicone so is reusable.

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Emma March 24, 2013 at 3:03 am

I have used a moon cup for the last 2 years and would not go back to nasty tampons or pads now.

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Paul the podiatrist December 1, 2011 at 4:09 am

Proper foot care and well fitting shoe gear is extemely important. You will be spending an extrodinary amount of time on your feet gathering daily needs for yourself and family. Many

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Alicia December 4, 2011 at 9:41 am

Instead of drugs, think natural to perpetuate your health. Taking antibiotics, etc. weakens/kills off your immune system (some would say this is WHY gov't, etc. have been promoting their use, to weaken and destroy us).
Instead, stock up on colloidal silver (+ a colloidal silver generator, if at all possible), echinacea, garlic, golden seal, aloe, cayenne, etc.
Believe me, you'll be glad you did.

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Kelly Robinson December 9, 2011 at 5:09 am

Wow! Fairly good list! I would caution to say “Think in systems” like food system would include gathering, storing, preparation, cooking, feeding your people, sanitation and use or disposal of wastes. In doing this almost immediately the subsystems begin to pop out, like “preparation” (of food) could mean bowels and kitchen knifes to cut up vegetables or up to block n tackle and bone saws if your butchering livestock.

If you are “bugging out” it would be wrong to think of yourself as the “lone ninja” type if you have mom, dad, uncle Joe, your new baby and wife with you, and you should have a definite place to go, if not you are not called a survivalist your called a refugee. Again “Thinking in systems”

Supplies I would add to this list, Good digging shovel, Tarps, tools of all kinds for repair and construction, water gathering and purification systems.
The other ting I would add is training in skills. My suggestion is as a volunteer firefighter if your area uses them. Gives good training, sets good habits and great experience!

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Farmsteading Prepper January 4, 2012 at 12:55 pm

If TSHTF, most "injuries" will be gunshot wounds. So learn how to suture and stock up on the pain meds and antibiotics. Also, regular Bic lighters will be great to barter with and easy to stock up on now. You'll need trash bags and toilet paper. The best possible thing you can do is bug-out to the country now and plant a garden, raise meat rabbits and chickens, plant herbs and learn how to make medicine with them (Fresh herbs are way more potent than that crap you buy in a bottle and even dried herbs!), buy a milking cow, stock up on seeds and learn how to harvest seeds, stock up on the ammo and guns (About 20,000 rounds at least), learn to hunt, learn to butcher livestock, and learn to cook real food. Stock up enough non-perishable foods to sustain your family through at least 6 months. After your food stores run out, you better have a garden ready to harvest and rabbits and chickens to slaughter. Learn as many skills as you can now. Learn to live off the grid and without electricity or gas. People did it for thousands of years and so can we.

One question that everyone should know the answer to is How many people are going to bug-out to your place expecting to be taken care of? Think long and hard and you might find that you'll be invaded by 20+ people or more! The number 1 rule of prepping is DO NOT tell anyone you are prepping. And remember to prepare yourselves mentally. It takes about 4 days for your neighbors to become hungry, armed, and dangerous. They will come looking for something to eat, and they'll be willing to kill anyone who gets in their way. Not to sound too morbit, but it has happened before and could easily happen again. Read Selco's blog at http://www.SHTFSchool.com.

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bigskyguy52 January 10, 2012 at 4:51 am

1.hydrogen peroxide (antiseptic)
2. white vinigar for steralization purposes

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cbowl11 January 15, 2012 at 11:30 pm

550 cord

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Rxmichaels February 5, 2012 at 1:33 pm

You cannot stress enough the importance of changing socks and keeping your body clean. When I was humping the bush in the army I would carry clean dry socks over c-rats in some cases. A major concern with stockpiles is others wanting to benefit from your hard work. I split everything up and try to have multiple caches, and I use grid cooordinates as locators. I like the barter system, that is an excellent thought. Unless I have enough medicine for years to come I may need to learn some herbal cures. I need some remedial training on what works and what does not. I am leary of advocatting eating plants unless I am 100 percent certain. Very common plants turn toxic at certain levels in the system.

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Guest February 11, 2012 at 12:02 am

You know, you don't need pest control if you have a cat. The black plague was because they were killing cats and the rat population exploded. I know most "manly men" claim to "loathe cats" and use them as "target practice" but I bet my house with a couple of cats will have less pests!

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mentalbrewings February 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm

Rubbing alcohol–good for sterilizing and can be used for a mini stove. Also, denatured alcohol, for the latter purpose. Barley's good for making beer/whiskey. If you know how to do that on a long term basis, you'll likely be able to trade for quite a few other commodities.

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Mary February 16, 2012 at 4:17 pm

I have little bottles of brandy , vodka, bullets, seed, lighters and tobacco set aside to barter with.
I have non-hybrid seeds for me, but putting back hybrid for barter.

I think everyone needs a safe house. If it is just a root cellar hid in the woods, stocked with essentials, it may save your life if you have to run and hide your family.

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ReadyORnot February 26, 2012 at 4:25 am

hand warmers, water purifcation pills, stockpile medications when you visit your doctor invtent sinus infections, whatever else you can and stock pile the meds. knives…fishhooks, nets, book on edible herbs and plants and what not to eat…even start experimenting now before its a have to. always have a plan, A, plan B..plan C…..know plans fail have backups…stay calm think ahead and teach your kids to do the same.

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ReadyORnot February 26, 2012 at 4:27 am

And have bags for each member of your family, practice now letting them carry them. there is 8 of us.youngest is only 6.

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yummyspider February 26, 2012 at 5:00 am

start coaxing and training your family to eat rabbit and squirrel gravy now so it wont be such a shock to them later…i remember eating both of that as a kid and since no one else i knew was eating it , i thought it meant we was rich!…it's pretty tasty too.

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Ann December 22, 2012 at 12:34 am

Yes, those "individual birds" (pigeons) were tasty.

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DriveToSurvive February 27, 2012 at 2:35 pm

Wow, I thought that guns and ammo would have been number 1

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survivalcyclist February 27, 2012 at 10:05 pm

Well the article says the list isn't in any particular order. I would think 'clean water' would be right at the top of the list for my area (Florida) and anywhere else its hot. Gasoline/Diesel would be next, to run generators and heavy equipment. Both are in short supply all the time, even without any sort of disaster. After that, bug repellent/netting – most people have no idea how bad bugs can get. There are 67 different species of mosquito in Florida, counting fresh water *and* salt water types. After that, medicine – the supply of non-refrigerated antibiotics and such is never very large, and they don't have long shelf life in the heat/humidity.

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DriveToSurvive February 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm

Board Games?

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 8:19 am

Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots, Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.

Where are these going? Clubs? Really? And who doesn’t already have a hand can opener? I cook a LOT and have NEVER used an egg beater or whisk. Forks work wonderfully. Then there are those that are going to swoop down and snap up all the goats before the rest of us get a chance. I would think trained weasles would be in short supply but I guess not. They aren’t on the list.

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coastiekevin March 3, 2012 at 1:34 pm

a couple of things i would add…if you want to be seen/heard, a signal mirror, strobe light or surveyors tape (bright color) and a whistle. i've searched for people for over 21 years…if only they carried this stuff! if you don't, some camo. a quality multi-tool. tweezers, a good few needles for fixing a larger cut or wound. a book on edible plants. a water proof way to carry your important documents, i.e. birth cert, passport, SS card, etc. (some day you will need to proof who you are). the rat trap idea is good…but if your not worried about weight get a steel trap or conibear trap and a book on setting traps…not hard once you get the hang of it and one can eat woodchucks, muskrats, racoons etc. learn how to make your own snares or buy some.

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BOB VILLA March 18, 2012 at 9:33 pm

MONEY! Not that it would be a problem!

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Faith August 29, 2013 at 11:02 pm

credit cards and paper money may become useless…. so stocking up on troy ounce silver dollars for easy barter would be a good idea.

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Bobbie Jo March 20, 2012 at 9:03 am

There are excellent field survival pamphlets the government put out during the Vietnam war. Teaches one how to build shelter, hunt for food, make fire, treat injuries, protect yourself during national disasters..etc. Yeah, they are basic and old, but survival techniques never go out of "style".
I highly recommend the medical pamphlets.

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Bobbie Jo March 20, 2012 at 9:08 am

by the way, these pamphlets can be found online and downloaded or printed out. Find them here http://rk19-bielefeld-mitte.de/survival/FM/inhalt…

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Bob 59873 April 9, 2012 at 1:21 am

For all of you thinking about bugging out to the Mountains you better think again. As there are people already living in the Mountains. I live in Montana 2 1/2 hours from the nearest walmart. And if you are not careful and make some close friends with some of the people already living here in the mountains of Montana or where ever you think you are bugging out to. You might Get shot for being the real city folk that you are. And trying to survive in the mountains without knowing somebody there. If some thing like what you are talking about happens the people in these small town know all of their neighbours and will know that you do not belong in their neck of the woods. So most of you would be best to Bug In where you live at. Remember you chose to live in the cities for your Jobs, comforts of living in the cities resturents theaters and all that other bullshit that you think you need for your daily lives.
I can almost Gaurentee that you will not be welcomed with open arms from the people that already live there.

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Bob59873 April 9, 2012 at 1:33 am

Its good to have these Items on the 100 item list that you all created in the forum and most people in the woods or people that live remotely already have most of this stuff and have more skills than most of you have. If you have never Killed and dressed something that you have killed and prepared for a meal you should learn that. there are plenty of dogs and cats in the cities.
But most people who are animal lovers would not think of that for a food source.
Don't get me wrong I like animals also i feed the deer in my backyard and do my hunting far from home. But most of you if you don't know how to survive off the land . By using what nature has out there you will probably perish sooner in the woods than you would in the cities.

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NavyVet_77 April 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm

I'll be looting pharmacies, Walgreens/CVS/RiteAid, WHy? Anti-Biotics, Food Supplements. THey have everything a larger store has , just less of it. Groceries, Wal-mart etc will be looted first i think, less attention will be given to pharmacies in early stages of looting. Later on, these pharmacies may be a better target to find something useful.

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 8:26 am

And you will be shot as a looter, either by local police, military, store owner or another looter. Good plan.

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Prepper-Wannabe June 18, 2012 at 10:29 pm

How about BSA Fieldbooks? They are far more in depth about things that will be important for SHTF Scenarios. The regular BSA Handbook is more of a general introduction to all facets of Scouting, while Fieldbooks are intended to focus on outdoor skills. Both are valuable, and I would want to have each were anything to happen.

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DJ N July 10, 2012 at 7:51 pm

months worth of medication for ANY AND ALL chronic medical issues later how you can make natural medications out of herbs for justabout any thing with the right know how which you should acuire before desaster strikes as well as informational books explaining how to make them even if its just things you have written down yourself the less info you have to remember on your own the better restrict things you know to what will help you survive on the run have copies of all of said books at your bug out location

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TRAJAN1 July 11, 2012 at 12:59 pm

The one thing I never see included on lists for LONG term survival are Large nail clippers. Can't chew your toe nails. Any soldier (I'm not one) will tell you, foot care is essential.

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 8:46 am

“Can’t chew your toe nails.”
That’s what friends are for :-) Ewww. I just grossed myself out a little.

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hermit August 5, 2012 at 8:50 am

I suppose alot depends on the timeframe. Will the part of the world your hole up in be stabilized? Or do we shoot strangers on sight? Night vision for scavenging. Small CB radios for team control. Plastic zip ties for all sorts of needs.

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Wind August 10, 2012 at 6:40 am

WOW, I just have to comment on this. After wading through what seems like an endless chain of comments, I think most of you might be missing the bigger picture. I see this list as a list of things that we need to start being able to live without. Find alternate means to perform similar things or just simply do without.

Early explorers and trappers usually managed 10 things that they kept on their person at all times to guarantee their survival. That's right 10 things that would GUARANTEE their survival. We need to look through the pages of history and take serious note about what we really need, and white wash all this bull about what we think we need.

Batteries, medication, gasoline, night vision, toe nail clippers? Where the hell do you think you are. In the SHTF scenario, what we have grown accustomed will be stripped away, and you can throw out your ideas that it is going to be like some hollywood movie. It will be HELL. The plain and simple truth is if you cannot learn to do without, you are already dead.

Medications do more harm than good, and the simple truth of the matter is that if you are dependent on such medications in a SHTF scenario you have just got your ticket punched. You will be living by the clock, and the question will not be if, but when… Think about this, I know I have.

For those of you that want to wrap up your whole life into a bunker and think that you can wait it out have also gotten your ticket punched.

I have read a few comments on here talking about bushcraft, and I have to give kudos. This will be infinitely helpful, but if those skills aren't practiced then you are but a child when you have to rely on them.

For the masses why don't you just pick out your favorite Walmart or superstore and fortify yourself within it, and maybe you will find your ideal existence among the useless crap of luxury items you so desperately depend on in your RL.

As for this cynical bastard, I only hope that I am at the epicenter of any disaster as I do not want to survive only to have to live among those that have not a clue on how to sustain themselves in this world.

As for barter items, I like the idea that some expect there to be other rational humans that would want to trade for such items, but the truth of the matter will probably be that anything you have of value will be desired by others, so stock up and be sure to include medications, toe nail clippers, and batteries. This inevitably will make you a target. You might take heed on this information and concern yourself with sustainability. Seeds, chickens, goats and livestock are all great ideas, but unless you can distance yourself from the masses, they wont do you much good if their eggs, milk and vegetables end up on someone else's table.

Words to ponder, as visions of finally using your AR15 in a SHTF scenario dance through your mind.

Good luck to all, we are all going to need as much as possible or come to terms with lightening our packs by filling our minds. To those other like-minded individuals stay on track.

Oh and when you are watching that National Geographic show about those poor sorry souls living in some third world country, you just remember that they may be poor, but they have a wealth of information about surviving and thriving with as little as possible. These people are GODS compared to the common person that lives in polite society when the SHTF. we need to learn a lot from these ancient cultures as they truly know how to thrive in this world.

Okay I will step off this soap box and let you bash these comments as I have little interest to read this thread any further.

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Kay August 22, 2012 at 10:23 am

Ipecac syrup, antidiarreal meds. Cane, crutches. Lots of cough meds (Expectorant)… Lungs fill fast!!!

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Kay August 22, 2012 at 10:40 am

Also… I have a 7 foot stretch of down spout in garage so I can tap into my current downspouts to collect rain water.

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Leah September 10, 2012 at 8:13 am

Medication – you can get ample supplies of antiviral and bacterial medication from the feed stores. It's the same medication your doctor prescribes, just in larger doses. My family was able to pick up amoxicillin, ampicillin, vitamins, condroitin, etc in large doses. The directions are for various weights from cats all the way to horses. Each tablet is about 75mg of each (minus the multivitamin) so you can adjust with human weight. Also, for prescription medications, your doctor CAN give you a prescription where you can get it filled on a more consistent basis than month to month. They don't WANT to but they can. My mom insisted on having her heart medicine and high blood pressure medicine refilled with more than once a month when a snow storm hit here and she couldn't get her refill and was with out for almost 15 days. Insist that your doctor refill – and also check your insurances. My health insurance will give you a month free if you refill online versus going into a store. There are deals but you need to do your research!

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susie September 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm

open pollinated veggie seeds

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Julie Carr September 19, 2012 at 8:33 am

Maybe it's on here and I missed it, but shouldn't people at least have a mini bug out bag in their cars at all times. You never know when you might face a sudden disaster and it's just going to be you and your car for maybe a week or two. You might be away from home and your survival 'stockpile' when disaster hits, so at least have a good leatherman tool, scissors, plastic tarp, blanket, lighter for making fire, maybe a few jerky or pop top canned meats/fruits, and if you don't have a concealed carry permit and always have your gun and some ammo on you, have a knife and a hatchet in there as well.You aren't trying to survive long term, but you might have to stay in your car for a week or two. You should think about the possiblility that you can't get to your stockpile at home, and disaster might strike when you're out on the road somewhere.

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Sue September 26, 2012 at 3:29 am

I do not make any money from this but SilverBiotics on the web is a great antibiotic that you can keep out , lasts forever and cures loads of stuff. It runs approx $14 and Potassium Iodine for nuclear fallout.

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doc October 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm

There are pretty much NO vaccines made from horse serum today. Pretty much all are made with recombinant human DNA technology. Some (like the flu vaccine) are cultured in egg protein, therefore some people could be allergic, but significant reactions are uncommon.

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different doc October 3, 2012 at 10:09 pm

Sorry, didn't realize there was already a "Doc" on the forum. Note above is from a different "doc"

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Hboom01 October 8, 2012 at 8:50 pm

Several small bags of Frito Lay Corn Chips! Every survivalist knows that greasy corn chips can be used to start a camp fire. MANY arsonists have used them to mask the origin of arson fires! Also, every Boy Scout knows that you can roll newspaper tightly, tie it with cotton cord (about every 3 to 4 inches, cut in between the cordage with a hack saw and them boil the newspaper rolls in parrafin wax. When thoroughly soaked and cooled they are called "fire bugs" and are GREAT fire starters. Just light the cord tips and start your camp/cooking fire!

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Peter Foeden October 12, 2012 at 11:26 am

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I currently have 140 products on line which includes an extensive stock of 'Major Trauma Medical Supplies' and I specialize in 'Custom Building' Medical kits (large Scale). My site has IV therapy, and Suture available including all of the surgical instruments that you will need to Suture, clean and dress wounds etc and ALL is available at very reasonable prices.

I have worked in the Surgical & Medical Supplies Industry, worked as a VIP Bodyguard, have lived and worked in the Middle east and apart from running my business, I practice what I preach, in that I am a prepper. I am extremely well prepared and I have the 'mind set', to be able to cope with pretty much anything that will be thrown my way.

I have my EDC ( X 2 Always have a back-up), three Bug Out Bags, a Cache of long term food, water, medicine, sanitary requirements, Fuel such as petroleum, bottled gas & Alternative Shelter and Communication needs – Ham Radio that runs off truck batteries, and I am completely CBRN ready.

One thing that I can-not stress enough is that everyone should know how to 'Perform CPR', 'Suture', 'Cast' broken bones and know how to 'treat exhaustion', 'heat stress', 'cold stress and every one MUST have these few ESSENTIAL medicines in their own kit. 'Amoxicillin' (Antibiotics) – best purchased through an Aquarium – the product you want to buy is called "Fish-Mox".
You MUST have, Potassium Iodide (Anti Radiation tablets that stops the thyroid gland from developing cancer from a dirty bomb), Charcoal Tablets (Will soak up any poison that has been ingested), Hydrogen Peroxide (Powerful Disinfectant for cuts, Abrasions, Infection of open wounds, can be used diluted as a mouthwash) Imodium (for relief of Diarrhea), Aspirin (has so many beneficial medicinal properties – Google it's uses), Panadine Forte (500mg of Paracetamol with 30 mg Codeine Phosphate to give relief from severe pain) Vitamin C & Vitamin D (C to build the immune system & D to assist the body to replenish itself from lack of sunshine) Oral Rehydration Salts ( contains – Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Trisodium Citrate, dihydrate & Glucose Anhydrous – when the body is dehydrated all of these minerals are lost and the body MUST have them to function at peak performance levels.

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blah blah October 17, 2012 at 8:05 am

I stopped taking this seriously when you started listing processed foods and “survival-in-a-can” kits as prep. In fact, about 1/2 the items on this list are not necessary. Prepping should involve transitionary items to get you back to living off the land, not keeping you holed up in your house/bug-out hole eating stale bread or cooking hard-tack biscuits while being in denial about having to really get back to basics of gardening and hunting.

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Mike October 29, 2012 at 9:17 pm

As for an item for bartering would be alcohol, and ciggarettes… which those are on the list, but i dont think i saw alcohol, if you have a supply of beer or whiskey or vodka, people who are not too smart are willing to trade useful items for a bottle of booze to drink the disaster away same with ciggarettes and even some illegal drugs like marijuana, not directly saying keep a supply of pot for a disaster but all these items are good trade items, same with cash, in some areas where a disaster has completely toppled regular society there may be bands of small groups forming there own societies and a bunch of cash may be useful as that may be a only way to get quick supplies or even prevent getting killed when trying to pass there territory

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will November 2, 2012 at 6:05 pm

I think that the list is great…… it just needs to be rearranged.

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Orkneyman November 3, 2012 at 11:22 am

101. If you're gonna be bugged down in your safe house, consider solar panels to keep the batteries charged.. Put a voltage regulator between the two to extend the life of the batteries.
102. Solar thermal. Heats water for showering, radiators, etc. And when filtered correctly, the waste water can be re-used.
103. Bars of soap, or failing that, baby wipes. Sounds trivial, but keeping yourself clean can boost your morale..
104. Multi vitamins.. It'll make up for what your body will miss in the diet…
105. Common sense! Cannot be over-estimated..
106. Training. No point having the best BOB gear and supplies around if you don't know how to use utilise them properly.. Same goes for first aid.. Better to know how to do something in a crisis and never need to use it, rather than panicking when the SHTF…
107. S.U.R.V.I.V.A.L. (For those of us who know what that means, pass it on..)

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will November 11, 2012 at 8:03 pm

gasoline would be second ( first week rush )

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B.Williams November 14, 2012 at 9:23 pm

Common is first thing that will disappear.

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gary D. November 15, 2012 at 1:10 am

thank you all for the list as well as the comments. theres alot of good info and has giving me much food for thought.

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ric November 15, 2012 at 7:36 pm

havent read all the comments but nobody mentioned TOOLs. Hammer, allen wrenches, files etc. propane soldering iron, solder (for all those radios, battery chargers and flashlights) its not like you can pop down to the radio shack and buy anotherone. Maybe loot for a while, jeje

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Beth J November 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Definitely Antibiotices: ZPacs, Cipro, Flagyl, Benydryl, (sorry on spelling) Amoxicillon, pain meds. Lanterns with batteries that are rechargeable and of course a solar powered battery charger. Generators are great but without gas you're screwed. Plus they are noisy. Consider solar powered generators. Raw unfiltered unheated honey made locally. Printed manuals on medications, survival guides, maps, etc. I read an article that mentioned collecting nickels. Not sure why but I'm doing it. Water tablets and water testing kits. Water straws that filter out 99%..you can drink out of a pond with a straw and they are relatively inexpensive. Good Luck and God Bless:)

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Toni Busch November 16, 2012 at 9:00 am

Definitely water, guns and ammo and supplies and recipe for making gasoline, solar oven and solar-heated shower.

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Glynda Good November 18, 2012 at 9:33 am

I haven't seen anyone mention candles, or lighting material, like matches, lighters, heck even a bow drill and dried tender kit.

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Johnny rockets November 20, 2012 at 10:42 pm

In numbers you have a better chance to survive !

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Rose December 13, 2012 at 1:47 pm

Condoms? They can also be used to keep small objects dry, but the primary use is pretty important.

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm

Don't forget mini vegetables like cherry tomatoes, mini potatoes, mini squash, mini egg plant seeds, etc. Maybe the growing season mite shorten…rite? The Mulberry would be a better choice as it is small and softer than a pear. However, there is a pear called the Monk Pear that the monks would use to make wine. This particular pear is round and extremely hard. We had all sorts of persons stopping and asking if they could pick some from the tree in front. It does not soften with boiling. It has to rot somewhere between January and February which would make it a good winter storage food.

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will December 28, 2012 at 8:25 am

How about traditional bows, arrows and bow strings.
Very usefull for quiet hunting and self defense. We still have 40 year old bows that shoot like new.

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pamk December 31, 2012 at 1:16 pm

Rabbits are a great source of protein and reproduce rapidly!

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TiredVet January 6, 2013 at 8:17 am

All good advice…..a modern item that is rarely mentioned are the little solar lights for gardens….they can be left outside in the daytime, and used inside at night for free lighting….even in a Bug-out set up, a couple of them would be very handy, and take the place of a bunch of fuel/matches, etc.

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bob January 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm

aloe vera

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susan January 17, 2013 at 5:38 pm

and burn cream, vaseline

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Nat January 18, 2013 at 6:01 am

Condoms.

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Newbie Prepper January 20, 2013 at 7:38 pm

I was a Boyscout, and Dad was the Boyscout Leader. He was also a cop and grew up in a large family with little resources. I can still hear him saying "Always be prepared." I've often felt like I'm not doing enough and just recently many members of my family were caught in Hurricane Sandy's wake. 4 houses, several cars, and $100,000s later, my family and neighbors reminded each other that a sense of humor was a good thing to stock up on. The hurricane from the year before started my prepping regularly which enabled me to help them out this year, but I still don't have enough to survive long term. I've never seen myself as the kind to bother others for help. It makes me wonder about those who would kick in my door to take what they need.
I guess I only have thoughts to add to this conversation. Sorry 'bout that.

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Ron February 13, 2013 at 10:43 am

Women's sanitary products! Great for helping with bleeding control as well! Remember that as well as stocking everything you have to be able to hide it! Coz if its just you trying to keep it safe you will lose it!

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Carol February 26, 2013 at 6:24 pm

Colloidal silver is a natural antibiotic. My family uses it regularly. Haven't been sick in years. Also amazing for burns, cuts, etc. And for your animals. Expensive to buy but you can make your own if you buy a colloidal silver generator. There are lots out there but after researching, I decided on The Silver Edge.

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Susan March 4, 2013 at 7:23 am

If your talking long term survival. I have some info from a friend that lived thru occupied Paris. She says that the things they couldn't get and needed most were, cloth, needles, thread, soap and salt. She remembers having to raid the attics for cloth to make new clothes, and having to manually pick the threads out of existing clothing so as to be able to sew the old clothes or curtains and drapes into new clothes. She says that another hard to come by item was soap. They were lucky, they had a farm and could make their own by the old time methods, wood ash and animal fat. Last but certainly not least was the salt, I don't mean just table salt… I mean enough salt to cure meats and preserve foods. so that means as many 50 pound sacks as you can store.

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OneGypsy March 4, 2013 at 7:51 am

ok, so your out walking along trying to survive, and someone or an animal accosts you… my suggestion is shoot them, and keep walking, but if you can't do that a cattle prod is a great defensive weapon. They come in a couple different lengths, are hard to hurt yourself with, light weight, very portable, work on batteries, easy to hide and WILL DEFINITELY make someone or something go away.

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hunts March 19, 2013 at 3:00 pm

handkerchiefs!!! there is nothing you cant do without them

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Ham_529 March 22, 2013 at 8:19 pm

Something to go with #73 shaving supplies (because most of the time it's there anyway) would be nail clippers.
Doesn't seem that important but unruly finger nails can make things like cutting wood difficult

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Nikki April 26, 2013 at 8:36 pm

I have a book of plants that has anything and everything that can be used for natural purposes. I would suggest finding one, and seeing about growing/or finding these plants and try dehydrating them. You can then encapsulate them or powder them and keep them in small well labeled jars with clear instructions and measurements needed. You can either try them while she is on the medication to see how well it helps her, or wait until you have no option. If you do try them while she is still on the medication, you can try saving the medication. Unless she is insulin dependent, then i would still try the natural herbs but keep a close eye on her sugars. There are a lot of herbs and plants out there that help lower blood sugar for diabetics. Also ADHD, there are some plants that can help with that, and any food you store, try to avoid red dye in it, and stock up on peanut butter, as it helps with ADHD.

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Jeremiah April 29, 2013 at 12:11 pm

It may not seem like your first option but if you can keep steel wool dry it can act as a fire started when met with an old cell phone battery or even a D battery. Anything that has a little juice left in it can come in really handy. The nice thing about that as well is that majority of phone service, if not all, will be knocked out so you wont have a use for your phone battery anyways. Also, if you have a pet, or even use your own, poop can be used for multiple things such as maintaining a flame (for torches or camp fires), just make sure you don't keep that shit too long.

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Dink May 9, 2013 at 11:15 am

Get CPR/First Aid certified by the American Heart Association. Take a course in woodsman survival and emergency care. Solar power systems, dry cell batteries for solar power battery replacement (you can get these from battery outfitters with the acid in bottles ready to activate when needed), rabbits (high protein), ducks (high protein with much needed fat, fat can also be added to other meals), grains and salt for livestock and poultry, barn cats(rodent control around livestock feed), live traps, snare wire, knowledge on animal & aquatic traps, books on edible and poison plants, regional maps with roadways and water, compasses, emergency whistle, glow sticks, magnifying glasses, fire steels and strikers, magnesium fire starter blocks, wind up watches, sunglasses, sunscreen, reading glasses (different strengths from dollar store), bicycles and repair parts, wagons, windows/glass doors for a green house or hot beds, cage wire, clips, smooth wire and fencing materials, fruit trees, berry bushes/canes, asparagus & strawberry beds, rosa rugosa bushes for rose hips (high in vit C for making tea), pine trees (away from fruit trees (green needles make healthy tea, dry needles make mulch). Aside from your normal supplies, you need to put away things you can use to barter/trade with. Things you may not neccessarily need, but that others will. Learn a skill so you can trade work for supplies. People need to learn to use these things NOW, Practice. You can have everything you need, but if you cannot light a fire, make water potable and safe to drink, treat a blunt force trauma wound, etc…you are wasting your time. KNOWLEDGE will do more for you than all the supplies and gadgets in the world. Supplies are finite, they WILL run out. When that happens, what will you do? There is a LOT more to surviving than a list of supplies…but this list is a great start!!

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iris May 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm

A small wood plane although an axe could probably do the same job. Mesh wire to wrap around trees cause I planted 5 fruit trees and the rabbits and deer shredded the bark completely off of them. Glass jars instead of metal cause the deer speared the cans. A hairbrush.

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M.O'K June 14, 2013 at 11:56 am

Needle, thread, fish line and hooks

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ted June 23, 2013 at 7:24 pm

I saw someone mention super glue. I would add Epoxy Glue, JB Weld and of course duct tape.

I have nails, screws zipties, bungees, paracord and tarps in my "shelter" storage bin in addition to a hatchet and saw.
Also add some painters plastic throw sheets, If your bugging out your can make a shelter, if your bugging in you can use it to maintain/repair your house.

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DianeMargaret July 15, 2013 at 8:28 pm

A slingshot.
The kind with the wrist stabilizer is very nice.
They can also be easily outfitted so you can use arrows and thus can take down bigger game (deer, etcetera) than you normally could with a slingshot!
Just like with any weapon, PRACTICE IS KEY!!!

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david smith September 8, 2013 at 3:04 pm

I am a lonewolf type prepper. I think long term survival may be more a matter of trust and common sense then just stored items. Trust may become a greater issue. depending on how the events that most likely well take place, not only here in the U.S. but around the world and how long those events last from what ever event creator ie God made, man made or a hybrid event meaning God induced and the man made reaction to it Here is something that many preppers have not or are not welling to talk about out in the open so to speak. lets say you go thru your drills of bugging out because the crap hit the fan, that's good, how ever have you given consideration to things like having to kill a loved one, a mom or dad or child because they would be huge risk factor in your survival or the groups over all survival.lets say you loved one has sever loss of memory or they are handicapped.what do you do. Have you given consideration of take the life of a loved one because there would be no way to take care of them on the run. What about your 80-90 year old mom/ dad etc that would slow you down in a fire fight? have you made your peace with God to kill them if you knew that you could not care or take care of them. lets face it there is no perfect preppers or preperation's what ever event take's place is going to dictate who well survive and who well not. Boy oh boy I just trow a log on the fire did I not their boys and girls. Happy hunting OOH RAH MARINE CORPS.

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Dylan September 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm

Fuel for the generators.

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Antony Chilton September 24, 2013 at 8:13 am

I think the greatest thing would be knowledge. learn as much as you can every day. and team work is a must. but GREAT list!

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Tien Shanman October 2, 2013 at 2:24 am

Read "Lucifer's Hammer". The only way to survive a massive collapse will be as part of a like minded, rather large group. On you own, especially if you are a city dweller who has "bugged out" to the country, you are dead meat. This American rugged individualist crap will not work when you are being hunted. First time you fall asleep it's over. Get real. "Bug out vehicle" – this is really the fantasy of the poorly informed. What to you think you will do when the gas tank on your 8 cylinder runs dry? I'll tell you: you will walk…

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pj October 2, 2013 at 9:54 am

swap #97 for chewing sticks

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greywolf October 3, 2013 at 7:32 pm

I have raised several high-percentage wolf-dogs. Yes, there are issues when they reach about 18 months (adolescence) to adulthood (generally 3 yrs). The issues, however, can be dealt with. My wolf would have laid down her life to protect me, since to her, I was the 'pack leader'. And yes – she did challenge me occasionally (especially when I had laid down fighting a headache or didn't feel well). When this happened, I would flip her on her back, hold her down by her throat and shake her. Or I would grab her head and bite the top of her muzzle or her ear. I do the same thing with the 5 yr old male I have now. He's about 95 pounds and has an attitude. But, here again, he would never let anyone hurt me and since I've raised him from a pup, he knows that, ultimately, I am the boss and the provider of his dinner. Don't think I would want to let him get too hungry, though … ;)

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iris October 5, 2013 at 5:50 pm

Keep them well fed cause the wild is still in them

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sevenshort October 7, 2013 at 5:58 am

How do you go about getting high package wolf pups?

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Adam short October 7, 2013 at 5:25 am

I didn’t see condoms I may have kids I want to protect, but may not want to bring more into a more harsh environment.

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sevenshort October 7, 2013 at 5:55 am

I didn’t see condoms I may already have kids but would like the option of bringing in more if shtf. Plus they can can be used to cover gun barrels in wry climates, ass floaters fishing among other things. They may not have a huge shelf life but would come in handy

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Randy October 8, 2013 at 1:36 pm

Salt – Used to cure meats……
Canning Supplies – Electricity will most likely fail and freezers and refrigeration will not be available….
Talk to you grandparents about the best canning and food preserving methods!!!

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Guest October 13, 2013 at 6:20 am

maybe I should have read it twice, but I don't remember batteries or toilet paper on the list. emergency MedKits and flashlights, too. socks, a must. bread. all the canned food you can carry. light bulbs. also, why the hell are board games ranked higher than chickens and goats?!

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Ken October 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm

7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.: Wasp spray is a great alternative to pepper spray. Less expensive. Easy to find. And you don't need a permit.

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Ken October 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm

64. Bicycles…Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.: No Mor Flats Replace all your tube tires on your bikes and you won't have to worry about fixing flats.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005BTJB/ref=asc_df_B0…

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Rogue October 27, 2013 at 8:38 pm

A whisk? Anyone wanna explain this one?

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Brian November 4, 2013 at 9:21 am

Ummm, I think you are missing what should be the #1 item. Water itself lol. You have purifiers, containers, but not physical water. Water IS the 1st thing gone. Take it from someone in a hurricane region, when a storm is approaching you cannot find water. Generators are definitely #2, but those are pointless for the most part as when you lose power, you cannot pump gas. Meaning you can run it with what you have stored and most people have 5 gallons, which wont get you far.

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whatever November 17, 2013 at 5:39 am

did i miss something… laundry supplies are on that list but clothes arent… sorry but it's human nature to throw something out and get a new one before cleaning it, there is an over abundance of clothing material lying around… but someone is going to take 4 hours out of their day to wash and dry their 3 outfits they keep with them rather than just cycling it out…. i think not. not to mention that stuff is heavy and uses a lot of water, when there is dry detergent you can use.

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thriftyisthenewrich December 8, 2013 at 7:29 pm

Some more to add: prescription drugs, sunscreen, bug/mosquito repellent (Off), wind up radio and flashlights, a striker (like the one you used in chem class to light the bunsen burner), ham radio.

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REK January 5, 2014 at 3:55 pm

one thing seen very seldom, saw it in fire chief mag after hurricane andrew… tire plugs, natural disasters and man made cause a lot of debris, that means tire punctures. without it, trucks cars and bikes not much good.

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john Eastwood February 1, 2014 at 6:28 am

If you live up north keeping e beard will help keep the cold wind off your face.

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Hazel February 1, 2014 at 7:59 pm

Llamas. They can transport goods. They can pull carts. Small children can ride them. You can spin their hair into yarn to make sweaters. Socks. Mittons. Scarves.Insulation for coats. Fertilizer. Coyote control. They are edible. No I don’t eat my llamas. Many more uses.

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presenceinpoetry February 17, 2014 at 8:36 pm

I'm a little confused what the list is for? With this much stuff one must be staying in on place or traveling with a large vehicle… but in one place or traveling on foot- this is in my mind more than you need of some things- and as many pointed out– lacking other items like medication… is this for a total "end" type… or just a large storm where you might be out of power//supplies for a month or so?

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Johnnnn92 October 2, 2010 at 6:02 pm

Cats can feed themselves even in the city (i have one)

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IMA FOOL December 23, 2010 at 5:11 pm

DEISEL ENGINES DO NOT HAVE SPARK PLUGS BOYS.

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Kalookakush February 14, 2011 at 11:43 pm

Totally agree on the marijuana comment. It relieves so many ailments its crazy. plus if you grow it out to hemp you have food, fiber, and the seeds can be pressed for their oils to burn, make medicines, or to eat for omega 3 and 6 fatty acids if the fish supply near you is depleted or toxic.

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mr.outdoe March 21, 2011 at 2:57 pm

thx for the idea

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me November 25, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Glad someone else thinks Marijuana would be good in a survival situation. If you had access to a great deal, I'd highly suggest stockpiling in hashish form. Much lighter and smaller and best of all, when stored properly, will last for a very long time. Properly cured hash does not suffer from mold issues that flowers/buds do. Stockpile a ton of seeds as well. Especially the strains that are hearty, pest resistant and do well in cooler environments (indica dominant).

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Jason Buchholz February 22, 2011 at 9:21 pm

good point, Iplan on using my electronics knowlege ( and a few spare car parts) to build small, portable wind generators and battery packs ( to store for later). even if the shtf we still have all this tech and know-how floating around the country. If people keep there heads about them we can survive, and even enjoy a few of our modern conveniences. Don't throw yourself back to the 19th century for no reason, master a few skills for today!

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village smith November 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm

good to see a fellow blacksmith. I would plan to use my blacksmith skills as well for bartering. I smith in my driveway on the main street so everyone knows me a the "village smith". During an apocalyptic situation most people will want knifes, axes, arrowheads, flint and steel sets, shovels/ gardening tools, cooking and fire tools and stoves. so learn how to make that stuff and what scrap steels can be used to make it, unless you have an iron mine and mini foundry near you. Also Learn how to make soap, valuable, valuable, valuable skill to have!!!!!

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MurderMode236 February 26, 2012 at 12:47 pm

I'm a US soldier, I guess I could sell my skills of protection. Not everyone is going to want/be able to take another persons life if it comes down to it.

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Eli February 25, 2011 at 7:13 pm

there are products like the Diva Cup (google my friends) it last a year is reusable month to month, it is silicon so it can be sanitized by boiling. perfect no, but better than hunting for pads every month or storing very large space taking boxes full of tampons.

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drew March 2, 2011 at 11:16 am

Yea i would say a well trained dog is a must after a disaster of any kind, I personally have a Kangal dog and they are amazing, there a big dog and males way from about 100 pounds to 200 pounds yet they are extremely agile and fast and have been none to kill wolves, cougars, and even bears. Another good reason to have a dog like a Anatolian (but any bigger dog will probably get by work) is if you are going to have livestock as they are natural guardians of "their" livestock and family. I think i would also add all books of knowledge especially language survival etc. to the list as knowledge is mans greatest resource.

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ryan April 9, 2011 at 6:01 pm

when shtf i'm guessing satellites wont work. so gps is pretty useless.

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Jim March 14, 2011 at 10:38 pm

We have a colodial silver generator that runs on 2 9volt batteries to make the old time antibiotic – it cured my wife from Lyme disease!

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MurderMode236 February 26, 2012 at 12:42 pm

I just want to put this out there. I think it's a good idea to actually try the medication before you need it. The Army gives us doxycyclin when we deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq so we don't get Malaria. Within about 4 hours of taking my first dose I had broken out with a rash covering my chest and back. It's a good idea to do a "test" run on all the medications you will be carrying to make sure your body doesn't reject them.

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lee1213 March 21, 2011 at 3:02 pm

they have them at hastings

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rebecca March 26, 2011 at 12:14 pm

hate to say it, but there was a time when Hurricane Isabelle hit and there wasn't a gas station open for three weeks and we syphoned gas out of the city vehicles down the road at three a.m. If there was a real SHTF to happen, knowing how to suck gasoline out of a car with a piece of garden hose is a good thing. Just sayin….

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@JBVfromFK March 31, 2011 at 10:29 am

Agreed.
From wikipedia: " In 1619, Jamestown colony law declared that all settlers were required to grow hemp or cannabis. In 1797, George Washington grew hemp cannabis for fiber production at Mount Vernon as one of his primary crops. The 44-gun frigate, USS Constitution or 'Old Ironsides', took over 60 tons of hemp for rigging, including an anchor cable 25 inches in circumference. The Conestoga wagons and prairie schooners of pioneer days were covered with hemp canvas. Indeed the very word 'canvas' is derived from 'cannabis.' "

Fabric/rope made from hemp is stronger than the same products made from cotton, and hemp can grow in many more places/climates than cotton can. In a post-SHTF world, having resources like hemp could make a huge difference… as long as you can find someone with weaving skills.

That said, learning how to build and operate a Loom could stand anyone in very good stead.

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Lolicaust April 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm

You tool bag, Laziness is the mother of all invention.

and trust me, when tshtf, it may be for the best that people stop pumping themselves with toxic pharma.

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Bobbie Jo March 20, 2012 at 8:54 am

If you can't get to Mexico try Fish antibiotics for ponds. They are the same dosage size and quality the doc prescribes. Check out a place called EntirelyPets.com. I"ve stocked up both Amoxcillin and Cephalexine.

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OneEyedDick April 8, 2011 at 6:42 pm

BTW, you all need to educate yourselves a bit more, rats DID not cause the deaths, it was the fleas that they carried(which dogs and cats would also carry).
Stupid humans!!

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Hap July 30, 2012 at 6:41 pm

Rodents are edible and actually, while icky to think about, not inappropriate food for the human animal. I think traps are good, poison is bad.

Also forgive me but I'm a historian so I cannot help myself but have to mention that in the past, most large die-offs of humans were caused by war, famine from war/economic/weather etc. problems, and diseases not necessarily related to insects or rodents. Not sure who told you that, but so much historical information is erroneous it's frustrating for all of us to try to make sense of the past! But sadly, us humans bear the brunt of guilt for large die-offs of our fellow man, for example the unintentional (and intentional ) spreading of smallpox which wiped out most of the Native American populations upon the arrival of Europeans to the North American continent.

Anyway – if you don't want to eat the rodents (which I personally don't), they are worth keeping for feeding those large dogs, and cats, and maybe all the children (just kidding). :)

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greendiva October 26, 2012 at 10:12 am

Having ways to store your food and water so that rodents and bugs can't get in is super important. Keep in mind that traps using bait are meant to ATTRACT rodents, bringing them to you. Yes it kills them, but attracting them in the first place could be bad as not all those attracted can fit in the trap. If you can deter them that is best. Use poison and traps as far away from people and pets so they stay away from your living areas.

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 4:38 pm

And, one can always use rat traps to catch small prey, rite, without a permit?

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ZOMCON1 May 16, 2013 at 3:33 pm

You could always catch the mice and rats for food. BBQ rat anyone?

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Sunny Soul April 11, 2011 at 6:52 am

It is suggested that each member of the family have perhaps a 2 gallon size zip lock bag with prescription information, extra glasses, birth certificate and other pertinent info. These need to be kept in a known location or at a meet up point. Did you see Angelina J. in Salt? She had a ready bag although probably not with these items. Yet, she must have had stash stations in many different locations.

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Lady A April 24, 2011 at 2:52 pm

I'm 13. I stock up on medicine often

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Amanda May 10, 2012 at 4:06 pm

You can buy a months worth of your script without filing on insurance. Is it expensive? Can be depending on the type. Try finding natural alternatives to what you need and stock those as well.

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sunny soul April 11, 2011 at 6:53 am

Hi Karl,
Perhaps, some guidelines on storing all of this in the now and how to do the rotations?
T. You. Nice to see you here.

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Dera January 27, 2013 at 6:43 pm

In addition to the wire/cutters – zip ties!! Also have a dozen hundred uses. And five gallon buckets – useful for water storage, garbage, seat, toilet, general storage, and so many other things.

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Al_68 April 20, 2011 at 5:26 pm

I picked one up at Harbor Freight for about $11(plus some change). only had it a couple of weeks, but so far it is working well. Has built in for recharging 2 AA batteries and an adapter for 9v, but I am sure I can adapt it to charge others. It has a selector switch for 3,6,9, and 12volt with alligator clips. It needs to be facing directly at the sun to get full rated charges, the surface area is about 5"x8". Multimeter shows it pushing enough voltage. and very lightweight to boot. Only thing that concerns me is – how long will it last?

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jdetz2 April 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm

I can understand stocking up on gold, because it will hold its value so when/if things eventually get better you can have something of real worth. But Paper money would be worthless when SHTF.

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Kaitlin May 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm

WHEN THE SHTF NO ONE IS GOING TO NEED IT FOR A WHILE. :)

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Griffin June 27, 2011 at 12:50 am

Actually satellites have spans of 15 years and up.

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jaaak July 2, 2011 at 3:04 pm

chap stick has microscopic glass fibers to cut your lips….the repeated use of chap stick ensures your dependance on it and therefore you have burdened yourself with a unnecessary problem (like diabetes), because of your foolish U.S. instant gratification mind set and inability to tolerate pain for more than 5 minutes you have effectively shackled yourself in yet another way….Commoners

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1836eig June 3, 2012 at 4:47 pm

use the oil on your skin that is behind your ear, works pretty good in place of chapstick and it's free too!

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Matt July 12, 2011 at 1:39 pm

Just remember that cats carry fleas just as bad as rats do, so if there is a disease going around spread by fleas, then you'd better have something to keep them off your cats. Same goes for dogs.

Even if it's not a disease issue, who wants a bunch of fleas in your home, bed , furniture, etc….

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beenthere4real September 11, 2011 at 8:36 pm

In a bug in situation I totaly agree with you, but in a bug out situation you would most likely have to leave those things behind. So I would say your suggestion is kind of cost prohibitive when buying bulk ammo would be better.

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mike c September 12, 2011 at 11:51 am

I would use Plantain (broad leaf weed found everywhere) as an "astringent" (to soak up the poisons). You don't have to grow it and store it (insects, bees and snakes don't bother much in winter)

Tobacco is one item you don't need.

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steven October 24, 2011 at 9:14 am

Tobacco has several medicinal purposes, in fact it was europeans that really started using it as a smoking "drug". Indiginous people in South America used the leaves for their antibacterial and pain relieving purposes. Tobacco that has been dried has very little use, but just a striaght cut chewing tobacco, or an actual tobacco plant serve well as part of medical treatment. Plus the barter factor for tobacco products.

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TheScrappy1 November 5, 2011 at 2:25 pm

It lasts more than a year. I've had mine almost that long and I have a friend that has been using hers for 3 years with no problems.

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john November 9, 2011 at 11:47 am

just swallow it woman!!

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Female Prepper January 4, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Women will probably be forced to trade their bodies for food so condoms are actually not a bad idea.

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Barry March 31, 2012 at 8:13 pm

If it ever happens again, be aware that most newer vehicles have screens in the gas tube that prevent you from syphoning.

You can punch a whole through the screen, but if you're doing that, might be easiest to punch a whole in the bottom of the gas tank. The gas comes out quicker, and you don't have to taste gasoline. It does ruin the vehicle, so use only when necessary.

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commoner April 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Chapstick does not have "microscopic glas fibers."

It does, along with most ointments, have petroleum which thins the skin making it more easily irritated.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 4:05 pm

Rant rant rant rant right wing bullshit rant rant unsound medical knoledge Rant rant rant rant right wing bullshit rant rant…. Conspiracy wackjobs

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 8:59 am

You are full of it. Try snopes.com. ‘Chapstick use is like diabetes’…. Wow.

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katie April 25, 2012 at 7:08 pm

I'd shoot someone before trading my body for food. There's always another solution.

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Me April 25, 2013 at 12:21 am

If a women needed food and someone was sick enough to make her trade her body for it, I'd shoot them. No matter how desperate the situation, your need for sex or survival doesn't ever come before a woman's dignity. Just give her the dang food.

And you women might want to get yourself a man who cares about you. this could be your #1 survival tool.

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Doc June 19, 2012 at 9:23 pm

If you live near a military installation get to know a couple of medics. They have regular access to everything a layman could want for an aid bag. Pick an E4 or E5, they are savvy enough to get what you need under the radar, but poor enough that you can buy it for a couple bottles of liquor and a place to crash when they get drunk off post.

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Ann December 22, 2012 at 12:03 am

Yes, Procain G can be bought at feed stores, but must be refrigerated. There are some that don't. Something I learned from my vet, but never thought of, these antibiotics can be applied topically. I also understand that procain G is used in third world countries for people because it is inexpensive. I use these antibiotics on my goats and they work very well.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Wait, you can make that stuff? Huh, and to think I just thought it was a plot device on the TV show Alcatraz…

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:43 pm

I don't know if your joking or if your one of the people I should keep away from my sister when the SHTF…

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Yep. The one thing you've got to watch out for is people with a good tactical mindset.
Everyday people, if pushed far enough, become very talented at killing others. You get a smart one of those, and even you may be in trouble.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm

But as jdetz2 said, that's for a while. Gold- for some unfathomable reason- has been a currency of choice for about 4000, maybe 5000 years. This has been proven true on every continent (except North America and Australia, until they were colonized by Europeans). People seem to like gold; I wouldn't necessarily go buy gold, too expensive. However, collect and store all the gold you have in a nice safe place. It will probably be worth something some day.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:55 pm

Clever, doc, clever. For a civilian approach, buddy up with doctors at the nearest hospital. Even if they gave you a prescription pad, got you some antibiotics, for example, then just fake a wound (Bandage, red marker, more bandage, etc.) and get some.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 3:57 pm

I think it'd be awful, but to make a windowscreen I'd simply get out my smallest drillbit, make a fuckton of tiny wholes along the edge of my window screen frame, and start weaving thin thread. It would take FOREVER, but is entirely doable. Best if you have small children who aren't good for much else.

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Kent February 2, 2014 at 1:09 am

A good air-rifle is something that many preppers tend to forget. Gamo is a good example. They have .22 cal air rifles that are shooting 1400 fps. More then enough oomph for small game hunting. Quiet and cheap, especially considering the current cost of 22 lr.

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Chris July 11, 2012 at 4:05 pm

I see what you did there. Denzel didn't though.

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Joe August 17, 2012 at 8:48 am

No, but they do have glow plugs.

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Desertkay September 21, 2012 at 7:28 pm

The oil and tuna can will serve as a lamp with fuel. A tiny piece of cloth serves as a wick. Saw it on You Tube.:)

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Chris September 30, 2012 at 1:12 am

Dichotomous earth keeps fleas from living long on cats. It's cheap and easily available. Stock up on it before TSHTF. It's also excellent for gardening for killing pests.

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greendiva October 26, 2012 at 10:01 am

if your surviving in the woods where are you getting milk to make cheese? besides why do you even need the milk or the cheese anyway?

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fourthrowe October 31, 2012 at 10:37 pm

I'm struggling to think of a situation where one might have an abundance of food and water to waste on physical exertion, and a simultaneous dire need for electricity.

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Laura November 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Dry Ice

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Confessor November 26, 2012 at 12:31 pm

Bunk! Witches were burned mostly in America prior to Black Plague, and then only a few. In Europe, where the Black Plague wiped out 25% of the population, cats and witches were not burned. Jeesh!

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Why not just burn the cut so that there would be no blood spilling out? The blood, bleeding would pool inside the body and the body would reuse it.

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Pufnstuff December 21, 2012 at 4:55 pm

There were NO witches burned in America, speaking Historically. Several were exiled, most were hung, and only if they were charged and did not confess. Those who confessed were sentenced to jail terms. One accused with refused to plead to the charges, and was tortured to death by being crushed under heavy stones.

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Jak January 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm

Gold will only be of value once civilization gets back on it's feet. It has no use for survival

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Guest October 13, 2013 at 6:40 am

directly following the Great Depression gold ownership became illegal for several years. given the kind of far reaching economic collapse we're likely to see next, don't bet on ever digging-up whatever gold you bury.

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Newbie Prepper January 20, 2013 at 8:43 pm

Fillings for teeth?

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RathrBRidn March 15, 2013 at 7:11 pm

It's very simple to make a PVC stand for a toilet seat. Slide a 5 gal bucket underneath into which you have put a kitchen trash bag. Pine shavings (big bags from the feed store are cheaper than gerbil bedding). And kitty litter works well.

BTW, I'm not an expert, but you may have meant rennet for making cheese.

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ZOMCON1 May 16, 2013 at 3:33 pm

F the permit dude, this is your life on the line here.

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grizzly June 28, 2013 at 1:48 pm

Lol your cat was being fed by neighbours and cats dont kill rats and
Thats not what started the black plague witch hunting ended a few hundred years before the plague cats catch mice and small birds

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Guest October 13, 2013 at 6:59 am

yea, it's arguably better to have 1 or 2 good, reliable guns that you don't plan on letting go of and then just stocking-up on whatever you can afford for barter and back-ups. you'd be Mr. Popularity if you were "known" during a real crisis as the guy who'll arm you for groceries and gasoline. that could really be a good or bad thing, feasibly…

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Mirrim Blackfox November 2, 2013 at 8:44 pm

humans carry fleas too, the type of flea varies by the kind of animal, and have different disease vectors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea

Cats and Rodents have different types of fleas, and the Plague was spread by rat fleas.

Just saying.

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