Where is David Earl Burgert?

Project7 Militia Survivalist David Earl Burgert

Time has passed, news organizations and police have moved on; but one question remains.  Where is David Earl Burgert?  A fugitive militia member and survivalist who fired on police during a routine traffic stop remains at large and no one seems to know how to find him.

By the SurvivalCache Team

David Earl Burgert’s criminal record dates back to 2002 when he was convicted on federal weapons violations after an investigation into the Project 7 militia, which he was associated with in Montana.  The former Marine has been described as a bully, confrontational neighbor, and a troublemaker by local law enforcement and people who know him.  He has also been diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder. What is interesting about David Burgert’s story is not that he is common criminal with mental problems, but the fact that he has survived in some of the harshest country on this earth for almost a year without support, or so it seems.

Rookies vs Pros

Around the same time David Burgert had his run in with local law enforcement, another group of criminals also started a crime wave The Dougherty Gangin Florida.  In the summer of 2011 three siblings know as the “Dougherty Gang” also started their trouble with law enforcement with a minor traffic violation that turned into a high-speed chase with them evading police by shooting out the pursuing police car’s tires.  The Dougherty Gang went on to rob a bank a few hours later in Valdosta, GA and then led police on a nationwide manhunt.  Before their high speed chase, the Dougherty Gang had 20 felonies between the three of them (Ryan 21 years old, Dylan 26 years old, and Lee Grace 29 years old).  Not exactly a model family.

The Dougherty Gang lasted just 8 days before law enforcement inDylan Dougherty Colorado caught up with them after a customer in an REI parking lot identified them.  The trio had stopped by REI to pick up a tent to avoid staying in hotels while they made their way across country.  It is probably obvious to most observers that the Dougherty Gang, comprised of a stripper (Lee Grace), a pedophile (Ryan), and a pot head (Dylan), were way out of their league trying to avoid detection and live off the land while on the run.  Although we don’t know their level of survival training or preparedness, we can only assume they that would not be able to hold a candle to David Earl Burgert who walked into the woods never to be seen again.

It is interesting to look at these two somewhat similar cases and see how knowledge and preparedness can make a big difference in the outcome.  While we are not glorifying the criminal David Burgert, we do find it interesting that he has survived for almost a year while the Dougherty Gang lasted only 8 days.

So where is David Burgert now?

This is where we get into a little team SurvivalCache speculation and we invite you to speculate in the comments below as well.  After his disappearance police speculated that David Burgert planned this event and had made a series of survival caches and possibly stashed an SUV or other type vehicle in the woods.  It was believed that he was planning this event because law enforcement found a large stash of weapons, ammo, and survival gear in his jeep after the chase.  Also, the week before the shoot out, Burgert had a similar traffic violation and made comments to the officer that the next time it would take a SWAT team to take him down.

An episode of America’s Most Wanted put Burgert in Montana, Colorado, or Idaho.  Most likely we feel he is still in Montana getting Project7 Militia Leadersupport from former Project 7 militia members or friends and family.  Although we do not know why or how law enforcement came up with the theory about a stashed ATV or SUV, we would put that theory as doubtful.  The idea that David Burgert planned that far ahead and had an SUV secretly stashed in the forest near where he disappeared is remote at best.  A lot of things would have to happen just the right way for a police chase to end near the area where you stashed an SUV on public land.  Possible, yes, likely, no.  Stashing something above ground on public land goes against almost every principal of survival caching that we know of.  More than likely David Burgert spent 1 to 2 weeks in the woods with only the gear he had on his body when he disappeared into the forest.  He most likely waited out the dragnet by finding dense brush to hide in or simply hiked out of the search zone.  The police did not say it but we will say it for them, finding a person who doesn’t want to be found in the Rocky Mountains is like finding a needle in a haystack.  As for gear, all we know for sure is that he had a pistol on him because he fired at law enforcement as he fled into the woods.  The police reported a large amount of ammo and gear found in his jeep at the time of his escape.  This is another telltale sign that things did not go as planned for David Burgert.  We don’t know many survivalists who have a Plan A where they leave behind good survival gear and ammo.  Most likely Burgert was executing Plan B or even Plan C when he jumped out of his jeep.

Burgert’s trouble started when someone reported him driving erratically in his Jeep near a rest stop by Lolo, Montana.  Police soon caught up with him and the chase ensued.  Our thoughts are this: if you are a convicted felon with a car full of guns and ammo, not to mention a former militia member with anti-government behavior, why would you want to bring attention to yourself and get the government really after you?  Doesn’t make a lot of sense to us either.  We think he was drunk or stoned, got into a police chase and jumped out of his jeep, leaving all of his preps behind.   Again, this is our theory; but we feel it makes more sense than leading police on a chase to a hidden batmobile in the mountains.

Is Burgert dead?   While this is always a possibility, we feel that this is unlikely for a few reasons.  First it was early summer in Montana and although the mountains are unforgiving and the nights can be cold, a survivalist dying from exposure in those conditions is unlikely.  Second, even a lightly trained boy scout could figure out ways to find food and water in order to survive for a week in the mountains of Montana in the summer.  A seasoned survivalist and Marine such as Burgert would have few problems here.  Now if he stayed in the mountains through the winter then the chances of him dying would increase drastically.

Rambo or Bozo

Burgert surviving off the land?  We feel that this is also very unlikely.  From what we have read, Burgert is an anti-government militia David Earl Burgertman, not a mountain man.   We feel there is a big difference.  Even with survival caches in place, it is likely that Burgert is getting support from someone he is close to.  Also, based on what we have read, he is not exactly a folk hero among the locals so support would have to come from someone that he is fairly close to such as a family member, girlfriend, or militia member.  Anyone else who met up with Burgert would turn him into the police.  In 2002 he went to jail based on an informant who infiltrated the Project 7 Militia.  Based on this, we think he would most likely only trust a family member or girlfriend.

If we were trying to catch him, we would pinpoint all of the areas his friends and family live in, focusing on anyone that lived on the edge of the city or in the mountains.  From there, we would sweep a two-mile zone around those homes focusing on areas near running water.  Although he could be living in someone’s basement, we feel it is more likely that he is visiting a home at night to get resupplied.  Getting caught living at someone’s house means that person is going to spend a long time in federal prison for aiding and abetting a known fugitive.  Of course it is possible but you would really have to like David Earl Burgert and we’re guessing not many people do.

What do you think?  Is David Earl Burgert alive or dead?  Where do you think he is hiding and how would you catch him?  It might take a survivalist to catch a survivalist.

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Matthew May 12, 2012 at 8:32 pm

If it’s me in his place, I’m not going near anyones house. at least not beyond first contact. Whoever is helping me is leaving caches in areas I chose during initial planning alternating drops based on my friends gut basically if it feels wrong move on try again at the next site next droptime. Drops would be setup to allow a missed drop not to be devastating. Also they would only continue for so long say 12 drops over 6 months by now my bodyshapes changed I’m thinner, my beards grown, my skins tanned a little more weather beaten and I’m ready to move closer to a big city the more people the better. My face is on the news less and less if at all at this point; the pictures are all old I don’t look like that guy now. I’m lying low hiding in plain site who looks at the poor?
If I’m the cops today I’m looking for known associates who hike or camp regularly or ones who just started soon after the suspect went on walk about. Girl friends or family who have moved recently or who live in heavily populated areas. He didn’t spend the winter in the Montana mountains he’s gone urban survival.

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KansasScout May 13, 2012 at 1:15 am

It could be by now that he may be living among the homeless in most any U.S. northwestern city. Like Matthew has said he could look much different these days. The reason I suspect he's living among the homeless is that if he's careful he can stay in shelters during the most inclamate weather and on the streets in ad hoc shelters during more tolerable times. Food can be scrounged from restaraunt waste or by going to food give aways and shelters or charitable agencies like a church run food kitchen. That's all if he's moved into an urban area. If he is as knowledgible as the authorities suspect and he's living off the land then as Matthew has speculated he could be receiving help from close friends and associates via supply drops in preplanned locations.

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KansasScout May 13, 2012 at 1:19 am

Additionally these supply drops could also be functioning as dead drops for messages between him and his confederates. If they studied the simpliest spy-craft along with necessary field-craft he and his supporters could have developed and refined a system of dead drops, supply caches and other support systems to keep him off the grid and out of the authorities eyes and ears. The only way if he's still alive that he could be caught now is to do an extremely covert surveilance of those folks known to be his supporters. Keeping an eye on the ones most likely to slip up after such a long time may be the best solution for state, local and federal LEOs to find him.

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T.R. May 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm

It would be better to hire a few newly discharged Rangers or Green Barets to go seek and destroy . That way it saves the taxpayer the money of a trial and prison .

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Prepping Preacher May 13, 2012 at 5:34 am

if i abandoned my "whole stash" while fleeing, and had nothing else, then i'm a poor example of what i purported to be; since he lived in the general area where he disappeared, i'd guess he has/had other caches of materials to survive… further, depending on the content and number of caches, he may be able to elude and evade for a very long time… i'm not saying he's "smart" and certainly no folk hero but i will advance the idea of his cunning – however flawed he may be in thought and character… to catch him will require an edge in cunning…

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joeyson May 16, 2012 at 12:24 pm

generally i always keep what i need to survive on my person. if for some reason i were to loose my pack or leave it behind i would be able to survive for weeks with just a small tupperware bowl with the essentials and the knife i keep on my side. this guys was a marine so surviving with less then that would have been no challenge. to say leaving his gear in his jeep when fleeing makes him a poor example of what he is claiming to be is nonsense. not trying to defend the guy cause morally he is fuked but in all reality the pack he left in the jeep and all the supplies he left behind at his home are all luxuries. this guy should have the knowledge to live off nothing but the land with nothing but a pocket knife, even the knowledge to fashion his own blade from natural materials.

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Zed May 13, 2012 at 8:08 am

Thanks for another great read!!! I remember this story on one of the major news networks last summer but never heard an update. I like the comments so far by Matthew and others above. If he has survival caches and support, he is still in Montana. If the support is not there or the heat is high on his friends and family in Montana then he has moved on to another Western State or Canada. That is no country for old men. :)

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Tommy May 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm

If whoever dropped his first cache put a prepaid cellphone in the package. He could be in continual contact with the outside world and no one would be the wiser. Then he could coordinate secondary drops or have himself picked up almost anywhere by his allies.

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Old Crow May 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Tommy has an excellent idea regarding the prepaid cellphone. If his re-supply confederates also utilize these prepaid phones they have a great untraceable medium for instantaneous communications to arrange re-supply, meds, extracts, etc.

Communications is the key to staying out of jail in this instance. I would not discount ham radio. Anyone can buy ham gear with out having to show proof of license. Many of these radios can be modified for out-of-band use and therefore, would be ideal for a communications network that would be very hard to pinpoint. Hams don't want to hear it, but there are a whole lot of folks out there called "free-banders" who use amateur radio gear to communicate outside the ham bands, all the while flaunting their illegal antics in the face of the FCC who is basically powerless to combat it.

This guy is nothing "special". Remember Eric Rudolph? He evaded an intense federal/state drag-net for five (5) years before being captured. If Burgert has the same kind of network that Rudolph had, this guy could be on the run for years.

One word: Drones! The way has been opened up to provide RPVs (drones) for in country law enforcement use and that may be one way to find this dude. they are cost effective, see in the dark, can cover a wide area much faster than men on foot or horseback, and they don't sleep!

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Burgert WILL get caught, probably due to his own arrogance.

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T.R. May 14, 2012 at 4:43 am

I wonder how long before pre paid cell phones are made illegal because of criminal use ? Just sayin

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guest September 2, 2012 at 5:17 am

thank you! i couldnt think of rudolphs name. ive seen several shows about how he eluded the police. you dont need to be a "survivor" or "militia nutjob" to elude the police… you just need to get out of the immediate area. have friends, work for cash(easy to do in "farm" country). this burgart guy left a ton of stuff in his jeep and whatnot……well, what did he take with him? i mean really… he LEFT that stuff….. what did he TAKE? it probably wouldnt be very hard for him to pare down to the bare essentials and then even pick a few "luxuries".

oh and being a marine doesnt make you an immediate survivor, he could have been in the motorpool or something. yeah he had basic, but thats like high school to grad school compared to special ops types

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ixnay00 September 24, 2012 at 10:05 am

supposed to be a lot of drones to be used against urban terrorist (christians, gun owners, anyone who disagrees with the government etc…) could be a good thing to catch a crimial but a bad thing if martial law is imposed

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PITA45 May 13, 2012 at 8:04 pm

You say you do not think he is dead. I think you said it was early spring.
He had at lease a handgun,45acp,44 mag,or a 22. It was not 500mag right?
So how hungry is a wakening Grizzly Bear?
Just what kind of mood are they in, waking up and Hungry?
We will say he shot the bear, Now the bear is all of the above, as well as being pissed off.
This is not counting, if the bear had any cubs!
So how much of David Earl Burgert would you fine?
Last question: Just what is the reward for fining David Earl Burgert ? Bear dead or alive!

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anonymous October 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm

Look, bears do not prowl around looking for people to eat. Sure, threaten/surprise them and they will attack, but that is very, very unlikely.
My $0.02

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T.R. May 14, 2012 at 4:04 am

Kill em all ………the world will be a better place and the gene pool a little less shallow .

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BamaMan May 14, 2012 at 8:32 am

Eric Rudolph is a good example to use here.

1996 Atlanta Olympic Park bomber and multiple others, including the death of Birmingham Police officer.

He lived in the Appalachian Mountains for a long time, seven years, eating what he found, which is why he was picked up as a homeless man foraging in a dumpster.

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KansasScout May 14, 2012 at 11:33 am

The last part of BamaMan's comment is why I speculated on Burgert possibly hiding in the northern Rockies or Pacific Northwest's urban centers among the homeless communities. A man with some survival skills could live off the grid in such groups with as much ease as he could in the wilderness of those regions and could easily pass back and forth between the wilds of the mountains and those of the streets of even the smaller cities like Billings or Spokane. This gets even more likely if his closest and most trusted friends and family are offering logistical support.

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BamaMan May 15, 2012 at 8:41 am

living as a homeless person to hide would probably be easier than in the woods – if you could maintain your sanity. you could probably milk the system/soup kitchens, bum money, etc.. but maybe risk the chance of being identified.

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guest September 2, 2012 at 5:28 am

not much of a risk really. think about your DL picture and what you would look like if you let yourself not be so well groomed. add in the stink of being outside and not having the usual "pleasantries", then add in the physical changes "survival" creates, i.e weight drop and thinning out , not to mention that current affairs arent really high on most folks radar unless it affects them directly.

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jshicke May 14, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Is there a reward on him? If so, I can start looking as soon as I find this D.B. Cooper fella I've been trackin.

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BamaMan May 15, 2012 at 8:42 am

If you find D.B Cooper then will not need any money ;-]

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SurvingJerry May 18, 2012 at 7:05 am

Because he surely hasn't spent all of that $194,200 ransom money by now.
($200,000 ransom – $$5,800 recovered)

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Guest November 17, 2012 at 5:33 am

Too late. I found D.B.'s body. Took the money, but I think I dropped almost $6K hiking out.

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TheButcher May 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm

While the prepaid cell phone is an excellent idea, this guy was insanely paranoid and may have begun to lose trust in his allies. Not to mention that the feds probably know much more about his allies than what was reported in the media. I would imagine anyone close to him would have been and probably still is under watch of some kind. I would suspect that he most likely stayed on the move and attempted to cross over into Canada or died trying.

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KansasScout May 16, 2012 at 6:29 am

This man may find D.B. Cooper before anyone else, well at least what's left of the 1970's high jacker. Then in a few years some hunter will find what's left of Burgett lying on some lonely patch of ground in the wilderness of the northwestern United States, or the northern end of the Rockies in the U.S. Time will only tell, and then again the LEOs or some observant person that watches America's Most Wanted will find him or spot him and the manhunt begins again in earnest.

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T.R. May 16, 2012 at 1:40 pm

They will probably make a movie …………we have a sick habit of glorifying criminals in this country , and wonder why our kids are the way they are .

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KansasScout May 17, 2012 at 12:29 pm

T.R.'s probbly right, don't be surprised if in the next few years just such a movie comes out. I just hope that the script writers and the producers don't make Burgett out to be some sort of folk hero. IMHO the real heroes in this episode are the Law Enforcement Officials that are searching for this mad man. Burgett is the type of person that makes preppers and survivalist look like anti-government, racist, milititants and not just people concerned enough about potential disasters that can shake up our ways of life without even a moments notice. With folk heroes like Burgett, D. B. Cooper, William Quantrell, John Brown, Jessie and Frank James we don't need enemies.

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T.R. May 17, 2012 at 7:44 pm

Yep , and you would be amazed at how many Germans still supported Hitler with the proof of the ruins and allied occupation was all around them …………..They deserved everything the Russians did to them .

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SurvingJerry May 18, 2012 at 7:03 am

In 70 years, will they be posting your same comment with the pronouns changed?
"Yep , and you would be amazed at how many American still supported Obama with the proof of the ruins and Chinese occupation was all around them …………..They deserved everything the Liberals did to them ."
(nothing against Chinese people, per se…. actually, I am one.)

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T.R. May 18, 2012 at 10:13 pm

The same would still hold true

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T.R. May 19, 2012 at 1:26 pm

Sort of like the thing Jefferson said about tyranny and men of good conscience remaining silent .

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T.R. May 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm

Hey ! can we get his picture off the front page now ? The dude looks like a retarded child molester .

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SurvingJerry May 18, 2012 at 7:00 am

Sure, send in the photo of where he looks like David Hasselhoff…

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T.R. May 19, 2012 at 1:22 pm

A mullet every day keeps the girls away lol

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scott May 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm
cwb May 19, 2012 at 4:37 am

Just take one look at the picture of this dude and you know he's out there. I agree with T.R's post. Get his picture off your home page before all survivalists get stereotyped into a group of half wit, nut cases with too many guns, and not enough brain cells..

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T.R. May 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Unfortunately , we are already stereotyped ……..but why help it along .

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SurvingJerry May 20, 2012 at 12:13 am

So, simply don't allow your appearance/image to match the stereotype and you can become CaptBart's elusive "Gray Man."

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Straydog May 19, 2012 at 6:38 pm

As always, the stories posted here are absolutely fantastic. However, other than pure speculation on our part, what this fugitive did or did not prepare, cache, stash or pre-arrange in some way mean didly-squat. I don't think I have ever prepared for a self-induced catastophe? hahahaha

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James of Canada May 20, 2012 at 7:27 am

I had known briefly a man wanted in the USA for enviro hippy tree hugger crap but I didn't know it at the time until he later got arrested in another part of the country for stealing from a hardware store. So now you have to think, how many of the "homeless" you walk past everyday are criminals either living in your area or passing through it. Before this event, I just thought of every homeless guy as a guy down on his luck.

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BeafSoupReam May 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Thats a fantastic point James of Canada. Keep that in the back of your mind when handing them money at traffic lights…instead we should hand them applications to McDonalds, Walmart etc.

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wolfpack21643 May 30, 2012 at 6:44 am

As a LEO I can tell you that they have proably stopped looking for him by now. They may have one Fed LEO working this and several other on the run fugitive cases but all in all the cops have moved on by now. These types all ways turn up sooner or later due to someone turning them in for "beign suspicious in their community" or on a traffic stop or because they just do stupid stuff that draws Police attention. I have found that people with his mentality dont stay in the woods for long he will be off his meds with no beer or pot or what ever he likes to take and sooner or later hid back for town. If he wanted to be a hermit mountian man he would have already been living the dream prior to this encounter with LEO. Most of us carry mobile finger print scanners to check people we think are giving us a fake names and such so he wont be able to last in a city or town area for long. My guess would be if he is not found by year 3 then he died several days after the intial contact with LEO.

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tripper June 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm

Eaten by a bear? Living off the land? Drops?
Nope, probably the LEOs ofted him and did the SS&S thing.
What happened to to two guys down in the canyon lands of UT?
The ‘native americans’? Oh, I am one…..

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Ken June 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm

If it was me and I was forced to abandon my ready supplies I would hide out until the immediate hunt was done. I would then sneak back into town for resupply and then get out! I'd head clear out of the area for other parts. Should I be inclined to hide out in the woods I'd definately head for a warmer climate. Say Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, or the south east. The woods of northern US and Canada are not for the lightly prepared. If he didn't do that, he's dead.

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SurvivorDan June 5, 2012 at 10:13 pm

Who was that fugitive in Florida who went several years living in the swamps? As it turned out, he visited his girlfriend regularly and was doubtless resupplied by her. Few will last years in the wilds.
With his background and lack of wilderness survival skills, if this cat is not being helped he is dead.

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zig zag June 11, 2012 at 9:08 pm

Homeless people are frequently stopped and harassed by cops, and in the ghetto part of the city where i live there is a higher number of cops patrolling than in others. It wouldn't be smart to attempt to hide amongst the homeless. In the article there's not really enough background info on the man other than that he was a former marine and militia member. He could in fact have a lot of survival knowledge, and any cache he had could have supplied him for a winter or more (inc food, shelter, and weapons). Here in BC an escaped prisoner, the "Bushman of the Shuswap," evaded police for 2-3 years in the central interior, which is extremely cold in winter. He built an underground shelter, complete with generator, computer, etc. He survived (and prospered) largely by raiding cabins and houses in the region. As for Burgert it's really all speculation. He could be dead or hiding, he could be in Canada or Oakland, California.

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Jack June 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

That bigfoot sighting was not bigfoot, it was David Earl clad in beaverskin staggering back from Canada dog-drunk on dandillion-wine and bloated on deer and grizzlie bear. If they get lucky they'll find him passed out in some whorehouse north of the border .

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JMAC July 3, 2012 at 3:06 pm

I have to agree with many of the others posting. I highly doubt he spent the winter months in the mountains. He was a ex-Marine and depending on what his MOS was would greatly depend on how wilderness independent he is. He probably has help from someone living local, but I would imagine he likely does have cache's all along the country side and depending on how large they are, he maybe able to stay out for a long time. The idea of a SUV isn't as far fetched as it might sound either. It would greatly depend on where he left it. It may have been left on the outskirts of someone's private property, either someone he knows or someone he doesnt. A lot of private land in Montana could potentially be 40 square miles or better encompassing thousands of ackers. Even on smaller land that type of ground is sometimes seldom covered by the owner for weeks and months at a time. With a vehicle he could have completely left the area. While I too think this is unlikely, Im just saying it shouldnt not be ruled out as complete none sense.

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Raoul O'Shaughnessy July 5, 2012 at 2:57 pm

Like JW McVean, he'll be found later this year when hunting season starts and there's plenty of folks wandering the woods. He holed up for a day or two in the sticks, and then shot himself. The body is tucked away in a little hideyhole where he was laying low, but it'll turn up … if not this hunting season, then the next.

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okanoganyeti July 9, 2012 at 12:42 am

I lived in Montana for the better part of a decade and in missoula especially (the closest city to lolo) the homeless population is pretty much out of control. It would be extremely easy to get a bit shaggy and hide in plain sight camped along the Clark fork. L.E.O. s leave them alone unless they're passed out drunk in the middle of the street or waving a knife around at people. He may be in a bed at the povarello center for the homeless as I post this. In Montana its a totally different ball game.

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Randy b. July 11, 2012 at 10:03 am

Feds are not looking for him….Feds do not go after deserters for military unless they did something serious…he will turn up…as long as he does not commit and crimes that they could tie to him they will sit back and wait for him to make mistake…they have bigger fish to fry than this guy..

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NoahTheNerd July 28, 2012 at 8:13 pm

i have no idea if i'm right, but i betcha he had a few caches, got his stuff, and is prbly down in arizona by now. if hes that insane, he most likely has no contact with other humans, and he couldnt survive a winter in the mountains (probably). or he has more than a cache set up, maybe a make-shiftbunker type, and is right underneath the cops' noses. but i dont think he would b in contact with anyone else. great comments everyone, and i bet at least one person is right. love ya'll

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guest September 2, 2012 at 5:38 am

anybody remember the kehoe brothers? they didnt last very long, but they werent trying to either. yet they managed to last something like a year and a half. the videos about them having the shootout with the police happened not far from where i live. shows you how capable the police are and that even idiots can get away.

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guest September 2, 2012 at 5:54 am

while im thinking about it, anybody remember the shows about the crazy candian guy in arizona, new mexico and nevada that eluded police for the longest time? the only reason they were looking for him in the first place was because he stole someones atv. after they finally found him and he shot himself, it turns out he was just some crazy canadian guy from p.e.i. and it took them several months to figure that out.

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Eagle on the Hill September 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm

Many come up from the lower 48 and many have homes/cabins on islands that a survivalist could live comfortably. Deer, bear, fowl, fish, water everywhere, isolation. I'd look for one of the members that resembles Burgert and check to see if they had lost or had to replace an ID/license, if they had traveled to Alaska since Burgert disappeared. If he resembles someone close enough, he could be anyone. Just saying…

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wehadababyitsaboy October 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm

This fella dosn't seem to be the kind to hide and keep his mouth shut. if he does have help they are someone who hides and keeps to themselves. he is audacious so in plain sight looking for his next shot at cops! since he has not done that yet maybe he's holed up in some million dollar cabin with a long driveway and georgeous girlfriend, or just face down in a ditch.

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henry bowman October 23, 2012 at 4:51 pm

maybe he's holed up in some million dollar cabin with a long driveway and georgeous girlfriend,

maybe with a new set of fingerprints(yes they can do that) and a few million in cash. or maybe on a small sail yahy out in the gulf or south pasific living on a small island, either way this guy is long gone and he is home free…not saying what he did was right, but its not my jobs to punish/judge any body, thats god`s and rightfully so if he messes up who going to chew him out for it?

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Mike October 16, 2012 at 12:50 am

He walked out of the zone and sought to blend in and seek help from contacts. The best survivalist don't have to stay in the timber long. Their skills include social networking, human engineering and communication skills. He might not be using his phone but he has used some one else s! He might not have money but he is earning or borrowing. I would bet he is more than 500 miles away and relaxed in his day to day dealings with people. He will get found because he contacts friends or family, maybe gets recognized or careless or melts down in a close encounter with a traffic cop. I would look for a lower income girlfriend, supporting him.

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Professor Prepper October 19, 2012 at 10:31 am

Burgert's dead.

This all happened in my backyard just outside Missoula.

Contrary to popular belief, those of us in Missoula are always outdoors and although the area looks remote, there is no way he could hide this long without a reported sighting from someone somewhere. His bones have been picked clean and some hunter will stumble on a skull in a year to two.

Burgert was a delusional loser who fantasies never looked beyond a week or two and the headlines. While a talented individual could survive for quite a while, there is simply too much foot, horse, bike, ATV, and 4wd traffic just about everywhere that he would be constantly hiding from everyone 24/7. We have backcountry ranger, crowded trailheads, endless logging roads, and no shortage of survivalist wannabes testing their skills on the weekends.

If Burgert were still alive, there would have been a sighting, confrontation, theft, or arrest. Yes, there are people who could evade their way to safety. Burgert isn't one of them.

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Reaper November 7, 2012 at 5:50 pm

He has mental problems therefore he is not thinking like a Marine therefore he may be dead, but he has got to be living off of former members of 7.
he should have planned better

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UrbanMike November 11, 2012 at 8:21 am

My guess would be he's dead. Either the elements got him or LEO. I don't think too many people would be willing to help him and in that part of the country I would think he would be highly recognizable.

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Scott November 27, 2012 at 1:14 pm

Bear bait or living in Canada are big possibilities.

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 5:04 pm

His face is very common, with or without a beard, with or without dyed hair…there are thousands of lookalikes. Thing is, he is not that important to look for over a traffic violation nor rowdiness. It is said that he fired upon the police? Why? He may have been wanted for an earlier conviction or he did not trust this situation. Look at Lindsay Lohan stalked by reporters and arrested at every turn. Thing is, that if one has a bank account or a copyright, they become a target. A $30 traffic fine in Canada can be paid directly. In the US the same violator can be arrested on the stop, dumped into a jail, given only a list of attorneys unfamiliar to him and no phone book and allowed only one phone call. That was what happened to Leonard Cohen. Two years and no charge and no trial….just waiting and when he was finally released, the lawyers and all, had gone thru his bank accounts, defending him without LC actually being present in a courtroom…rite? So, why is this man important? Money? Copyright? A cop may have a vandetta with one person but a squad all over America…doesn't add up. He is micky mouse. Well, then there are the reporters and a book to write…right?

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Leonard Cohen July 4, 2013 at 11:24 am

Take your meds. You are raving again.

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iris August 29, 2013 at 8:00 am

I gave up on listening to the Cohen clan way back in 1968. And, repeated the gesture when necessary. So, how is Skitter? Quite dead I imagine from his birth records.

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 5:25 pm

In Canada, a cop stopping someone for speeding can not even ask that individual for proof of insurance. He can issue a ticket for improper stopping of a car but he can not search the car unless the person is WANTED for a parole violation. The search could fall under, "entrapment". A cop in Canada can not pull his gun out "unless fired upon" first. So, who pulled out the gun first? Schetzoids can not be arrested that readily as they have the rite to be insane and walk the pavement. A law of importance has to be broken and the cop MUST get legal consent for an arrest. I was arrested once, decades ago, in the USA, handed over to a jail for confinement when I was about 21. The police were told that I was "wanted" by the FBI. Turns out that they were doing a citizen's arrest and I was "wanted" because someone found a purse that had been stolen from me. Being a scriptwriter had nothing to do with it at all…rite?

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 5:39 pm

When weighing the innocence or guilt of a person, one must ask, "Has any of this verbal vomit been hashed out in a courtroom?" OR, are reporters, with the assistance of a cop, eager to give out "unproven" facts, helping to sell newspapers? Tell us the actual date of the so-called crime, the judge, the jury, the verdict? Unless there was a prior conviction all of this is just gossip and this is the ONLY way a judge and jury can look at it. So, then, why are the newspapers allowed to take over the role of the courtroom?

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 5:45 pm

The problem with the USA court system is that a "person is found guilty until innocence is proven."
That is why, if you re-read this story, the reporters are saying, "law enforcement came up with a theory of a stash". What is this THEORY thing? It is NOT proof. It is, "we think," "we feel", we have reason to believe (without any reason or fact whatsoever)" but it sounds so lawful. In Canada, theory is not allowed in the court room by a judge nor jury. It can only be facts based upon actual first hand accounts and not the "so and so told us so"…second, third, fourth and fifth witness accounts as passed on to one another.

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iriscutforth December 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm

I think that he is dead with a bullet in his head and chest…it is a situation for Jesus to handle in the future, it is just a guess and not based upon fact..right? Did someone want the last word? Or, did someone gain from life insurance? A new home? A new girlfriend? Why was he being stalked? He is described as paranoid…by? But, it sounds so lawful when placed in a sentence between sentences of theories…right?

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iriscutforth December 18, 2012 at 7:06 am

Were not the names of Casey & Caylee Anthony another point of law wherein the courts, and reporters, are allowed, use of an alias name? Was the real name Alanis Morrisette who was a Canadian with purse & copyright? Thing is, that the person arrested was a lookalike of AM found guilty, not in a court of law, but in the news. The Anthony names were tied into a tv movie wherein the children acted as dying in a swimming accident. US courts dictate, "guilty until proven innocent" & how much money would this take? Most actors will not act in the US anymore nor travel there. The citizens of each town & city must sign petitions to present to congress to overturn this law to "innocent until proven guilty". I'm saying David is "innocent until proven guilty."

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iriscutforth December 18, 2012 at 7:45 am

In the Lindsay Hohan case, wasn't it FBI profiler, Annie Fields, that was accidentally arrested as Lindsay? Now, why would anyone arrest an FBI agent that happened to be working on The Green River case? Not that it had anything to do with several of the victims being Jehovah's witnesses, passed on by the press as "streetwalkers" and others having connections to movies and copyrights and possible bank accounts…rite? The David Earl Burgert case? Something is very familiar like his mother was in the back seat? Had she been shot for speaking back to an officer, not necessarily an officer as in cop with a badge, but "law officer" in reference to a pastor or elder that studies law, thus, as a said elder, "law officer", who can arrange a religious court system outside of the governmental court system?

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Mighty Whitey December 19, 2012 at 4:57 am

Personally, I don't care if he gets caught or not. What I am curious about is why a site such as this feels the need to make a production out of it. When I read comments like "…The dude looks like a retarded child molester." , it causes me to wonder why the accuser is so quick to point the finger. What the hell does that mean, anyway? Is there anyone that doesn't look a bit unhinged in some photo? The media use of Mug Shots as depictions of the accused is a prime example. Have you ever seen one & thought, gee, I wish that person could live w/me…?
As a retired correctional worker, who has personally worked w/some of the most depraved jerks
ever born, I can assure you that what someone "looks like" means less than nothig. Ever see a photo of Ted Bundy?

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iriscutforth December 21, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Didn't FBI do fingerprints & dna which showed he was a fairly new immigrant, Hungarian?, possibly Polish ? Ukranian? I like to doddle when I think … a house, a box, over& over again on the same image. This week, it was the # 8 Alexander Gudonov's lucky number…he being a skater, dancer & and accomplished violinist/ copyrights to movies from which he built enough capital to do more copyrights under gun & rifle design…light barrel, automatic…a marine's best friend…rite? Didn't Andrew Lloyd Webber issue a mega cheque to Alexander for some of rifles & ammo..all heading out to, was it Poland? A bunker of rifles and ammo in Poland…rite? Something about the rifle. Not much to go on.

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Alexander Gudonov July 4, 2013 at 11:26 am

What in God's Holy Name are you blathering about?

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iris July 7, 2013 at 6:37 pm

bluggering? Is that a new Russian word? Haven't seen you since I bailed you out of the police station in Ontario in the late seventies. So, hi and goodbye.
P.S. This situation is no reason for people to blame survivalists…get it!

Blabbering? Is that a new Russian word? Haven't seen you since I bailed you out of the police station in Ontario like way back in the late seventies. Otherwise, hi, how are you… and goodbye

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iriscutforth December 22, 2012 at 7:20 am

David Burgert may or, may not, have been a shoplifting suspect? A shoe and a rifle belonging to Alexander Gudonov found in his house was it not? Over a billion dollars is missing from one of MGM's bank accounts which lead to the purchase of a lot of ammo. There were three so-called Andrew Lloyd Webber males representing a female composer by the name of Andrew Lloyd Webber and a male wants to be repaid…rite when the studio does an audit? Well, that is the stupidist thing I have ever heard!?! Because people in civil wars are either dead or bankrupt!!! Motives for murder investigations are jealousy, bills for the house, alimony, drug, gambling, purchases and pleasure. Was David the dispensible middle man?

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iriscutforth December 22, 2012 at 7:26 am

Alexander Gudonov? He was a poet. He was abused politically it is thought as a child forced to perform over & over & over & over again to perfection. He had a forced operation on him as a very small child, possibly around as young as two or three with part of his manhood being removed from him so he could focus on more important things. He may have been from the Ukraine…a small part of Russia. HIS vision was that people had the rite to defend themselves collectively. His wive's vision was narrowed down to just her immediate family. A divorce settlement would provide him with enof money to purchase a very LARGE amount of ammo…rite? A suicidal run? Friends, collectively, with like minded associates. He is stopped at the Canadian border with a new rifle design…rite? ?1980? eigtiesh?

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iriscutforth December 22, 2012 at 7:32 am

David Earl Burgert was NOT a wilderness survialist. What did he know about co-habiting with bears, muskrats and mountain lions? He did not have the skills to throw a stone at a rabbit. One could argue that he had a bunker in the USA. One could say that a "law officer" had a confrontation with him in the presence of his wife and mother. It all sounds so good except there might not be that much blood around the car…right? And, history has moved forward, with or without him and Alexander and like minded people,no matter where they bunk. It must have all seemed so important…at that moment…a perfect ending for Alex dieing for a very important cause clocked as "freedom"…hmmm?

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iriscutforth December 24, 2012 at 9:04 am

Now, the FBI investigator, was told, was she not, that the reporters had used the wrong wording in the description of the arresting "law officer", which was, "He is not exactly a cop?" "You said he was a "law officer pastor a man that studies law and is an officer in his congregation." "Well, all we know is that he was a (new term…or quick thinking on the feet) traffic enforcer." "Traffic enforcer?" "Just hired recently in a crack down on kids racing up and down the roads." "I see!" "Just hired…like…what…the day before?" Except we have a shoe and rifle belonging to one Alexander in David's house. Hmmm? And, well, maybe an unpaid for shipment of rifles headed out, not in the countryside of the USA, but to Poland perhaps?

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iriscutforth December 24, 2012 at 9:07 am

Also, a rather large amount of money that was scoffed off of a studio bank account before Alexander went to make a partial payment for the shipments…rite? Shipments? How many shipments? And, of coarse there is the, other Andrew Lloyd Webber in need of a lawyer, to repay back unauthorized loans to himself and his many friends…right? I say other, because Alexander would do the musical takedowns to create the music that his said wife composed for music like Fiddler on the Roof, Oliver, etc.

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iriscutforth December 24, 2012 at 9:11 am

FBI profiler? Reporter profiler? Traffic enforcer profiler? Lawyer profiler!?!
Anyone can be a profiler!
You just have to come up with sort of, almost believable ideas! Anyone can do it! Your neighbour, your pastor, your traffic ticket man, you just have to say the right legal words like, "we believe, it is our understanding that this woman is a streetwalker, she works in the red traffic zone (with her Bible literature or private investigator thingy), she is a woman of the nite (in spiritual darkness), we think, her neighbour believes, her mother's thoughts is that she maybe"…it is all legal as long as you place the maybe in there but legally you better place a question at the end of it all.

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anita February 5, 2013 at 12:26 am

I was probably the last person to speak to David Burgert that day at Ft. Fizzle June 12, 2011, He was very nice and and he was not drinking. He left for the woods when the police arrived , if h shot at the police I did not hear it, and I believe I would have, as quite as it was there. I'm so sorry that he has problems. He was serving our country when 200 or so Marines Barracks were killed in Africa quite a few years ago

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JRo April 30, 2013 at 3:10 pm

Anita,
I'm a reporter working on this story. I know this was a long time ago, but if you have any information please reply here, and I'll find a way to contact you.

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Rger February 16, 2014 at 1:30 pm

Truth, like history, is a series of lies generally agreed upon! Of course you are guilty until you can prove yourself innocent; the fact that you can be arrested on the whim of a LEO (or a want-a-be) proves this! David may well have a new face and new identity, maybe working as a LEO in a small town or lightly-populated county; what better why to hide. Who watches the watchers! Personally, I have spent the winter in the Rockies by myself, took enough supplies to last for 3 months, (camping gear and bulk grains and beans mostly) I supplemented my supplies with fish and small game, (even had the license) and left about a month worth of food there; probably still there! Never saw another person up close on purpose during that time! The point being that over-wintering alone is quite possible, in fact, quite desirable at times! Great insulation beats roaring fire, especially long-term! Loneliness was the hardest thing to deal with, fortunately, a pair of noisy squirrels (until they accepted me) were not only a good early-warning system, but also someone to talk to. I have since found out that what I did is illegal; apparently a person, sans permit, can only occupy a space on "public" land for two weeks at a time. What isn't illegal these days! If I was in the position of live alone or rot in prison, I wouldn't hesitate to bug out! Good Luck!

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