Glock – Ultimate Survival Pistol in 2020

Time and time again the Glock pistol has been used by military personnel, law enforcement, survivalists, hunters, andultimate survival pistol the Average Joe for home and personal defense.  They provide value relative to their cost, they are reliable, accurate and consistently perform when put to the test.  When you factor all of the major considerations for an Ultimate Survival Pistol (Cost, Reliability, Accuracy, Versatility, Ease of Use, Available Spare Parts, Availability of Ammunition) you can see why the Glock pistol will finish at or near the top in almost every category.

Why Are Glocks The Ultimate Survival Pistol?

The Glock pistol is sort of like politics, everyone you ask will have an opinion on Glocks just like they do on politics.  Good, bad, and ugly, all you have to do is ask someone what they think about Glocks.  A lot of 1911 guys can’t stand them, old timers think they are plastic pieces of sh*t and the list goes on.  I have heard them all.  The only thing you will never hear is that the Glock platform is  unreliable or it does not work.  That is sort of like saying that the Ak-47 platform is unreliable, when you hear that you have to question the person you are talking to and check their credentials to make sure he or she is not a Mall Ninja.

I am not here to say that the Glock is the best pistol on the market, you can certainly spend more money on some of the finer pistols and I have done so myself.  But if you are looking for a gun to pack away for a SHTF moment, something to keep disassembled in the hidden compartment of the trunk of your car when you are away from home, a pistol that will not break the bank but yet you can stake your life on it.  Then you are looking for a Glock, the ultimate survival pistol.

The Torture Test

I found this video on youtube where FPS Russia freezes a Glock Pistol in a block of ice and then proceeds to literally torture the gun (Glock Torture Video).  The Glock Pistol Reviewinteresting thing he says in the video is that “If you compare a $500 1911 to a $500 Glock, there is no comparison, the Glock is just one of those guns that just never ever fails.”  I agree with him, for the money the Glock is tough to beat.   1st in the video he shoots the Glock out of a block of ice.  Then he uses the Glock as a hammer.  After that he shoots the Glock with a .45 ACP pistol (yes – he shoots it!!!)  Then he throws it in a wood stove after which he blows it up with tannerite.  Sort of a waste of a nice pistol but I get what he is trying to prove, under almost any conditions the Glock will survive and if you are looking for a survival pistol then Glock is what you might need.

Knock Down Power

There have been many debates about the perfect pistol round… 9mm, .22LR, 10mm, .40 or .45.  Although the Beretta 92F is the 9mm pistol of our military, special ops still carry a .45 and most law enforcement personnel carry a .40cal or 10mm. Why? What round is perfect for your survival pistol?  What is the take-down potential of each round?  The Taylor Knock Out Impact Ratios are definitely worth looking at when considering the type of sidearm you are carrying and relying on when the Sh*t Hits the Fan.

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They are as follows:

Pistol Caliber / Taylor Knock Out Ratio
.22LR / 1.33
.380 / 4.99
38 Special / 6.46
9mm /7.43
9mm+P / 8.38
10mm / 11.56
357 Mag / 10.20
40 S&W / 10.56
44 Special /11.76
44 Magnum / 17.65
45 ACP / 11.83
45 ACP+P /14.89

*An average of three factory loads was determined for each value

*+P is a higher velocity round (higher pressure)

Although I did not review the .380, it is the concealed carry gun for many… look at how low the knock out ratio is compared to that of a 9mm, 9mm+p, 40S&W, and the 45ACP and 45ACP+P.  Then there is the .22LR, the knock down power is weak but rounds are cheap and the recoil is minimum.  I still like the idea of the .22LR for survival even with a weak score on the Taylor Knock Out list.  There are many variables to consider when choosing your survival sidearm.  Size? Is it truly concealable?  How many rounds in the magazine? Cost of the pistol?  Cost of the round? Availability of the ammo? Comfort, and others… I would encourage you to not overlook these knock out ratios and consider them when deciding what weapon is right for you.


One of the things that I love about the Glock platform is the versatility of the Glock.  The Glock is sort of like the Jeep of the Ultimate Survival Pistolpistol world, there are a lot of aftermarket parts.  With the rail under the barrel, the Glock provides the perfect fit for an integrated laser/light platform like the LED M6.  Other options include the awesome KPOS system from FAB Defense out of Israel.  The KPOS System turns your Glock into a sub-machine gun, make sure you check your local NFA rules before you put one together. The KPOS just scratches the surface of the customizations you can do with the Glock.

Now on to the Glocks!

When I dug deeper into the Glock family, there were 4 platforms that I really liked for survival and concealed carry.  They were the Glock 17, 19, 20 and the Glock 30. The comfort and feel of the Glocks were all very similar with each pistol.  The Glock feel is nothing new and it has come to be expected with any Glock pistol that you grab.  The feel is not sexy, but it has the feel of familiarity like a good pair of work gloves that you can rely on.


Caliber / 9x19mm
Weight / 22.22oz
Barrel Length / 4.48inches
Trigger / Safe Action

The Glock 17 can be used for self-defense and is the most widely used Glock by law enforcement around the world.  The average SHTF Glock 17 Pistolmagazine capacity is 17 rounds.  I enjoyed this standard sized 9mm Glock.  It shot well, fit in my hand well and with a 9mm round, there was not much recoil.  I could stay on my sights and stay on target consistently and accurately.  I could draw it rapidly and get on target.  With the availability of the 33 round magazine, this is a solid choice for an ultimate survival pistol.  Most survivalists (and most of the team at will tell you that the Glock 17 is their pistol of choice for SHTF.


Caliber / 9x19mm
Weight / 20.99oz
Barrel Length / 4.02inches
Trigger / Safe Action

The Glock 19 is a compact 9mm.  This sidearm can be used for everyday carry, used as a duty sidearm, and is used by special operators.  The G19 is ideal for multiple roles due to its reduced size.  Even though it is the compact version, it still fit in my hand well.  Just like the G17, the 9mm round did not give me too much recoil and was reliable and accurate.  This pistol can also accept the 33 round magazine making it an acceptable choice for a survival pistol.


Caliber /10mm
Weight / 27.69oz
Barrel Length / 4.60inches
Trigger / Safe Action

I’ve heard the G20 referred to as a Polymer version of a .357 magnum with a 15 round capacity.  That’s true! The Glock 20 comes with more Knock Down power than the G17 and G19, a slightly larger frame, and has a bit more weight to the weapon.  With the larger round, there was obviously more recoil, but I still got rounds on target and got back on the standard Glock sights quickly and did not compromise accuracy with the weapon.  As I mentioned, the G20 is larger, especially compared to the G17 and G19.  I liked the larger weapon and especially liked the larger round and got more knock down with the G20.  The gentleman that loaned us this gun for testing bought it as a bear gun for his trips to Montana. (I love the cartoon above, click on it to make it bigger)


Caliber / .45 ACP
Weight / 23.99oz
Barrel Length / 3.77inches
Trigger / Safe Action

Maximum Firepower and Maximum Concealment is what I have to say about the Glock 30.  This is my personal carry gun and it is an SHTF Glock 30awesome hand cannon that has a 10+1 capacity.  The G30 is the first choice carry gun for many plainclothes officers and security personnel in the US.  The G30 is easy to draw and quick to get rounds on target.  The G30 is a smaller weapon compared to the others I reviewed and my pinky finger hangs over the end of the magazine.  I’ve adjusted my grip and can still control the weapon well.  Once again, reliable and accurate fire is what I get from my G30 accompanied with MAXIMUM Firepower with a .45 round.

I recommend all of these Glock weapons.  Although, I am biased and partial to the .45 and G30 platform, I enjoyed the G17, G19, and G20 very much and plan on putting a few more Glocks into my arsenal.  Time and time again, Glock has performed on the battlefield, in law enforcement and in the hands of average civilians.  The G17 and G19 are what made Glock what it is today.  Glock continues to innovate and improve their weapon systems.  They now have Gen4, SF and S versions of many of the calibers that I reviewed.

You just can’t go wrong with a GLOCK!

When choosing the right ultimate survival pistol for you: Remember the Taylor Knock Down Ratio, how does the weapon feel and fit in your hand, can you control the recoil, can you get back on the sights quickly, how many rounds do you need and want in your magazines, and what is the go to caliber for you?  The Ultimate Survival Pistol really depends a lot on you, what you can afford, what you can carry and operate effectively.  Consider all of these factors when you purchase your next pistol.

One note on Self-defense, specifically in the home… the Taylor Knock Down ratio for a 12-gauge shotgun slug round is a whopping 69.00!!!  Keep that in mind when thinking of home protection, nothing wrong with having one of these Glock pistols as a back-up weapon in the home, in your bug out bag, or at your bug out site.

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Written by Joel Jefferson

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56 thoughts on “Glock – Ultimate Survival Pistol in 2020”

  1. Agreed. The G17 is a great survival pistol due to all of the after market upgrades including mags, sites, etc. I don't like it for concealed carry but for survival, it is top shelf.

  2. The G30 is one of the most versatile .45's available! The G30 can accept the G21's magazines so you are not limited to the 10+1 round capacity. Even 27 round mags are available. Add a threaded barrel and you are set for a suppressor.

  3. I love my Glock 20sf . I'm in the process of getting a second Glock 20 for Christmas this year.
    Nice review. Now for the love of GOD, why can't I get in the forum section of Survivalcache ?
    I keep getting bumped off the forum site every time I log in. It's been about a month since.
    Something going on & it's not good.


  4. I have to wait until I can save back the coin to get the Glock 21. Until then I will use my RIA M1911. Afterwards the RIA becomes my reserve piece.

  5. I carry a Glock 22 at work and I have a Kel-Tec Sub-2000 that accepts Glock 22 magazines and compliments it nicely. For me, this is an excellent combination that I can carry on my person and leave the Kel-Tec folded up in a laptop bag or backpack with me. They accept the same magazines, which is a huge bonus. I prefer the Kel-Tec option over something like the KPOS system because its about half the price (add $200 to the KPOS for the required NFA tax stamp) and you still have the Glock available to be used as a pistol, the ability to holster it, etc.

    I wouldn't buy anything in 10mm anymore; its simply not a popular round, its difficult to find the ammo for at stores, and the chances of running into someone else who carries it are slim to none.

    • Reloading/rolling your own ammo will save you money & you will always have ammo. I have over 7,000 pcs of 10mm brass to reload over & over again. Truth be told I haven't purchased any factory ammo for over 20 years now, with the exception of 22lr ammo.

      • Prior to TEOTWAWKI, reloading handgun ammo would work great. If you're just using that handgun for target practice or teaching others to shoot, that's the way to go. However, should society collape and you expend 50+ rounds in a firefight with a group of people who thought that your food should belong to them, chances are you won't be returning to that area to pick up your brass. Should you be far away from your base when the grid goes down, it would be nice to have a "standard" caliber so you could replenish from the "Joe the Plumber's" stash, the wrecked police car, the local sporting goods store, etc. Its also more likely that anyone you link up with will have that same caliber.

  6. Good review. I agree with points made. In a half related matter, I bought a Canik 55 TP9 last week and I really like it too. 17+1 comes w/ 2 magazines, backstrap, cleaning rod and brush, holster w/ belt or pancake attachment, and a nice hardcase for $300. They are used by Turkish armed forces and police and claim to have successfully completed 25000 rnd test w/out failure. That's comparable to the glock at a little over half the price.
    I know, still not a glock, but thought I'd through another option in.

  7. Great review! Another thing to consider when choosing a caliber (Glock of course LOL!) is availability. .40 is usually MUCH more readily available than .380 or even 9mm.

  8. * YAWN *

    I reckon you can categorize me as one of them "other guys" then. If I really want a Glock when TEOTWAWKI finally happens, to take a page from Sam Elliot,
    "There'll be plenty just laying around on the ground, sir"

  9. You just can't beat Glocks, I have six of them. I have 4 G-31/ 22's & 2 G-33/ 27's. I prefer the .357 Sig round's ballistic advantages, but acknowledge that it is a bit of an oddball round; however the .40 S&W is not, and to switch over it is as simple as a barrel change. Furthermore, to get even more versatility out of these vixens, one only need 9mm barrels & G-17 mags to pull off a trifecta of ammo options. I have over 1k of each (+ 7k other) and the barrels & mags to keep me shooting well into the apocalypse. Happy hunting.

  10. Ooh yea, and like the article says, the accessories & attachments are almost limitless. My Glocks are all Lasermax & Trijicon equipped, and holstered in Blackhawk serpa holsters.

    • The G-22/31 platforms are essentially the same, effortlessly switching from one to the other (.357 Sig & .40 S&W) by changing barrels (30 seconds). Then you buy a 9mm conversion barrel from Storm Lake or Wolf, G-17 mags & now you are shucking 9mm brass. Some say you need a lighter guide spring, but mine is the internal Lasermax guide pin/spring and I haven't had any issues.

      • Ooh, and the same can be done with the G-32 & G-33's. Also, everything I'm talking about is based on gen 3 Glocks, I'm not sure about gen 4 stuff, so you'll have to look into that.

  11. One can shoot 40S&W ammo out of their Glock 20 with out a barrel change. I've shot over 1,000 rds through my Glock 20 with out any problems. So if one runs out of 10mm ammo, i'm sure there be plenty of 40S&W ammo to use my G20 with.

  12. article should add that the compact and sub compact Glocks will take the magazines (equal caliber) from the standard size models (i.e i have tons of 9mm clips for Glock 19 and many are for a 17). sure it hangs down a little but the availability, cost savings, and general usefulness that no other model allows is great.

    whatever the caliber you chose, i would get the full size and compact or sub and buy full size mags to double you efficiency.

  13. Important Note:

    There are very few 10mm factory loads that reach .357 magnum power. Double Tap Ammo is one with it's Hard Cast 200 grain load. Since most shooters do not custom load their own ammo it becomes problematic to sustain that level of power in a teotwawki situation. Also, running these high power loads through your Glock will shake it loose in about a thousand rounds. I've run thousands of rounds of max loads through my Colt Python and it is as tight as the day I bought it in 1982. It was designed with high power loads in mind. Food for thought when you are choosing a defensive "system" for today and onward.

    My home defense gun is a Glock 17 because my wife enjoys shooting the 9mm and has become quite proficient with it.


  14. Glocks are a great value for their cost despite being ugly. Other than a noticeable bias towards .45 ACP and the mention of Taylor Knock Out Ratio this was a good article. Statistical data has already proven caliber choice doesn't make much difference in stopping a threat and that actually hitting something of value inside your target's body is more important than the diameter of the projectile. I always recommend to people that they should find a caliber they're accurate with if they want to effectively defend themselves.

  15. The real answer is a short barreled AR15 in .223, with a Ciener .22lr conversion unit, and 60 gr Nosler Partition softpoints for the 223.Then, with a scope, you have 1/4 mile sniping ability, 150 yd deer taking ability, and with a 20 second parts swap, .22lr (30 rd box mag) The .22 unit is $200 and weighs just 3/4 lb. Such a rifle can hunt small game NOW, take deerNOW, be a varmint rifle NOW, be a match rifle NOW, be a defensive arm NOW, and you'll have no money tied up in some specialized "survival gun". An AR15 can be built from a ModelOneSales parts kit and a stripped "lower receiver" for <$600, and you can always sell it for more than that. I recommend a removable carrying handle model, with a carrying handle scope, and a drop in trigger job. The RRA lower receiver and NM trigger job is a fine choice. You can build an AR lower by means of a 3D plastic printer, or finish machining an 80%

    • with such a lw, compact rifle, there is no need of much of a pistol, which is nice, cause I aint buying anythiung special for "survival", especially not a pistol that's too bulky for every day ccw, whiich I find any double stack to be. I want a front pants pocket gun/holster, both for now and shtf. The pocket rig,for shtf, is out of the way of both the pack and the rifle, protected from debris, concealed, yet accessible, and I already carry the Kahr CM9 anyway. when everyone else is carryinga longarm, ie, shtf, the pistol won't amount to a hill of beans. I say that as a world class IPSC competitor, guys. The pistol will be for use from your sleeping bag, or as you crawl tunnels,climb trees, or rappel.

  16. Taylor's KO values are easily proven to mean nothing when it comes to pistols/men. i read his orignal article about this, in a gun mag over 30 years ago. He intended it for evaluating rifle loads vs dangerous game. Such critters requiire lots of penetration, then they run off to bleed out. that'snot what we need in self defense. we need an INSTANT stop and the only ways to get that are to brain him, or create so much shock and damage that he QUITS. Blood loss takes 5 seconds, at the very least, to shut down a man.

  17. You first have to HAVE a pistol before it's any help. Front pants pocket holsters/guns are the way to go, for EDC and for shtf, cause you need a RIFLE for shtf. The pants pocket rig keeps the gun out of debris/weather, is concealed, accesible, and out of the way of your backpack and your rifle.

    Double stack mags don't conceal worth a hoot in a front pants pocket rig and glocks are too big for anthing but coveral pockets. I use a Kahr CM9 9mm and severely rounded off the corners, with a Kydex rig that is velcroed in the pocket. it's not shifting or coming out, until I intentiionally move it. This setup looks exactly like a wallet in my pocket. there's no printing of the gun's outline at all. Hand in pocket (on the gun) is by FAR the fastest ccw draw.

  18. As a LEO and Weapons instructor I agree go with Glock. They're extremely reliable, you can put them through Hell and they will keep on going and very rarely fail…if they do its usually the ammo in the weapon. The only thing I would add to the article is if you're going to be in a fight don't go into it without a weapon that starts with .4.

  19. True, most factory 10mm ammo are more like 40 S&W plus P rounds.
    My own reloaded 10mm rounds are closer to 41 magnum in FPS & velocity.
    Yes my rounds have been chronographed. 1,350 FPS with a 180 grain bullet is what i'm getting.
    Groupings at 25 yard is 3 to 3 1/2 inches. Most members at my shooting range can't handle the recoil when given a chance to try my firearm & loads. It's not for everyone but I enjoy the 10mm.

    Long Live The 10mm Auto !

  20. What a bunch of shit!_Go ahead and waste money on a brand name Item.__Any 1911 will throw lead at you at 25 yards….BUT wait for it , it has to have after market PARTS to LOOK GOOD!__What a bunch of shit.

  21. Oh and by the way , A 1858 New Army Black powder .451 conical coming at your ass makes a very important point in any conversation.
    the cost is under 300 dollars for everything you may need .

  22. 101matt, try reloading that on the fly. After your first 6 shots are downrange, you have to drop it and run or use it as a short and relatively lightweight hammer. I'm not sure I understand your comment about "brand name" either. Glock, Springfield, FNH, Smith & Wesson and CZ all make comparable duty-sized handguns that all have a decent number of accessories available at a reasonable price. For my purposes, accessories and reasonable price means holsters/magazines/weapon lights and somewhere between $450 and $550 for the gun itself and less than $40 per magazine. A $450 to $550 1911 is going to weigh in at almost twice the weight of any of the above listed guns, probably not have a rail to mount a light on, probably won't be easy to put night sights on and will also have a stock magazine capacity of 7 or 8 rounds compared to the 15+ of every other gun listed.

    If you're looking for a $300 handgun, for me I'd stick with a modern revolver in either .38 or .357.

  23. M K ._First I carry a extra cylinder , a 1858 Remington is easy to change out!__Brand Names means=Glock, Springfield, FNH, Smith & Wesson, all went 40% higher in cost a year ago when people started to get a clue on how soon TS May HTF , many cant spend $600 to $700 on the TOTAL package. Lights ? Rails ? $40 dollars for a Mag?…I am not saying it would be nice to LOOK like a Military Unit or a Law enforcement officer where others pay for your gear._I and other Don't need all that , just keep it basic, I own a Rock Island 1911, basic to the point, it throws LEAD where I point it .No rail , no lights , and my mags were $20 bucks each (I have more than enough) I can change out a Mag fast enough to be happy with it.__Owning any hand gun means you are limited to what you can afford. Tooth or tail._I chose tail first and gathered up things to EAT and plant and basic gear! Saved for what I know is what I wanted and would be easy "FOR ME" to handle with in a certain price range.__

  24. MY Black powder 1858 Remington with a 8 inch Target barrel and cast all the lead I need. If everything goes south , and it will, I want the SKILL to understand how to use Black powder._I was handed a 1911 in 1972, Military said this is what you will carry. The other hand had a shovel in it. I was 18 years old. I am now over the hill and the 1911 Rock Island still does what I want ! Throw LEAD at people who would take away anything I have , including those who would take my freedom!__Sorry to be blunt. But pretty and every one else has one does NOT do it for me.___

  25. I served in the Navy and shot both the 9mm and 45cal. The 9mm is more accurate but more rounds have to be carried and 9mm easier to clean over 45cal. I found the 45cal has better stopping power but not as accurate, it depends on the user, both like other guns have strength and weakness, one would need to shoot both and other fire arms to see which would work the best for him/her and it would not be uncommon if more then one firearm is chosen.

  26. Won't fly in Washington State. For hunting, you must use a revolver. For big game, it must be centerfire, w/4" bbl. It must be .24 cal or better. Preferably, .357 or better.

  27. I personally prefer a double-action .357 mag. (or two), six inch barrel, which can also fire .38 special ammo, making ammo more available. Mechanically, you almost have to be deliberately trying to jam a well-made revolver to do so. The longest barrel you mention above is 4.6 inches and I'm sure you'll agree that the longer the barrel the higher the velocity and the greater the accuracy. Though I understand that some semi-auto pistols have longer barrels as after-market options, but I don't know if Glocks do! Yes, a revolver only holds 6 rounds at a time; how many people do you expect to be shooting at you at once? More than six; if so, I suggest that running (and maybe hiding or surrendering) might be a better strategy because whether you are shooting 6 rounds or 33 rounds at a can, it still won't shoot back, not so with people! I consistently hit a 6 inch target at 50 feet with my revolver, good enough for me, might keep me alive! In reality, any well-made, common-caliber handgun will probably do the job with lots of serious practice. The problem that I see with the Taylor Knock Out Ratios are that they don't specify what weapon they were fired from, barrel length, bullet brand/type, etc.; all those things make a difference, sometimes a major difference! As for whistles-and-bells, after-market toys, well, the mud doesn't care whether your boots are shined or not!

  28. Glocks are good for people that don't practice. Don't get me wrong, they are well made guns, but they have replaced revolvers because they're almost idiot proof. The only reason I don't have a Glock is because I think they're one of the ugliest guns in the world. Again, I know they're good weapons, I'm just not going spend money on something I can't stand to look at.

  29. Reliability is VERY important, it's true, but when the SHTF Glocks have another thing going for them: simplicity. My girlfriend has no interest in going to the range every weekend and I seriously doubt she could become proficient with a 1911 or similar platform. But after going over the controls with her for 3 minutes she was able to run my G23 well enough to hit center mass at 20 feet and do tactical reloads. When you may have to arm friends or family members that aren't normally "gun people" a Glock is hard to beat.

  30. If you want to argue on behalf of archaic revolvers based strictly on cost then you have a point. The weapon itself is cheaper, there are no magazines to buy and last I checked black powder & lead balls were cheaper than modern ammo. And if that's truly all you can afford then any gun is better than no gun.

    But you can't possibly argue that such a gun should be chosen over a Glock because it's more effective. I don't care how many extra cylinders you carry, you're not going to be able to reload half as fast as someone armed with a semi-auto, especially when someone is shooting at you. And when I pull the trigger on my Glock in the rain or snow I know it's going to go "bang", something your Civil War era armament can't promise.

  31. glock 20… all day shoots .40 as well done it at the range with 200 rounds of .40 not a single stovepipe or malfunction.

  32. @All; A lot of strong opinons as expected. As 101matt says, simple is good, and if money is an issue, just remember rule 1 of gun fighting. I typically recommend, to the members in our survival meetup group, the glock 19. First, let me say I am a "dyed in the wool, 1911A1 fan", period. No handgun has a sweeter trigger pull, shoots quicker, more accurately and with as much "finality" as they do. YET, I also own 2 G19s. Why? One, redundancy (2 guns). Two, yes, simplicity, of both functionality and repairability (if you can put parts together, you can repair it…forever, with parts). Three, durability…like a rock. Four, logistics. While there is no guarantee that any downed person you come across will have a glock or glock parts, the odds are higher for glocks than any other "uber-pistol". Five, logistics. While there is no guarantee that you will come across 9mm rather than some other caliber ammo, the odds are it prolly will be 9mm, just sayin. Six, logistics. G17 mags will fit G19s and most of the rxcvr parts will work as well. Yes, I know about the G26 but it's too small for SHTF guns. Seven, 9mm is a military round and is currently carried by more PDs than not, that logistics thing. Without getting into the caliber stopping power debate, a slow miss and a fast miss doesn't care what caliber you are shooting. COM hit with HIGH PERFORMANCE ammo will usually do the job, regardless of caliber. 9mm is cheaper. .40 cal is a "cop cartridge"…when the supply runs out, and it will post SHTF, it will happen quickly. (I'm glad DHS carries .40, they'll be out of ammo in a few weeks) You get more rounds for the same weight/volume in 9mm and if you are hitting what you shoot at, it won't make any diff, other than maybe keep you alive when a lot of rounds are going down range and you NEED just 3 more shots to survive. All just MHO. Be well.

  33. A used Glock in the $400 range is a better value than a Rock Island 1911, lighter to carry, possibly made in GA, has durability and protection from the elements, most likely will come with sights upgraded, andhas a simpler operating system than the 1911 platform… KISS!

  34. U guys in my opnion r confusing survival handguns with combat handguns.all semi's like glocks r great combat guns.ever try mounting a scope on one? A survival handgun good for 2 and 4 legged creatures, my s&w TRR8 scope mounted for hunting.8- rounds of 357 any grain weight.I think very good for defense and hunting.semi defense yes.remember we are talking SURVIVAL not 2 cents worth.

  35. If you need more than a pocket 9, you need more than just a larger pistol. You need a real fighting rifle, with a silencer and luminous sight inserts 🙂 It's only taken 30 years for glock to wise-up and offer a single stack mag option, for pocket carry and for people with small hands.

    I prefer the Ruger LC9, myself, for pocket carry and because of the Twisted Industries .22lr conversion unit that's available for it (with threaded barrel for silenced use). RTK (Galloway) offers a parts kit that helps a lot with the Ruger's terrible trigger pull and a good smith can help it almost as much again with some careful polishing.

  36. if you need much ammo at all for shtf, (much less pistol ammo, much less centerfire) you are doing so many things wrong that no pistol nor amount of ammo is going to save you (other than by pure luck). You'd better get an M4 on the assault sling, and keep it there at all times.

  37. if you're gonna try to get by on just a pistol maybe. I have a silenced M4 for the job, myself, with a .22lr conversion unit. To me, if my Sig P938 aint enough, then's rifle time!

  38. I would like then to review the Glock 41 .45 ACP 13+1. fits all the holsters as my G23 and is basically the same size with the exception of the length of the barrel. This is a formidable firearm for when SHTF. I find the G30 nice but "chunky" and tough to conceal on IWB rigs. I own the 19 as well and it is a first Gen pistol from 1989 or so and it functions flawlessly. Sig Sauer is twice the cost and is coming out with polymer framed striker fired side arms. I own several sigs and they are very good firearms.

  39. Yeah, Glocks are great until you have to start reloading for them. Their unsupported chambers bulge empty cases, making brass unusable unless you like entertaining the notion of a grenading case. Also, Glocks cannot shoot lead bullets due to their hexagonal rifling. Yes, you can get special dies to band-aid the brass. Yes, you can buy a $150+ aftermarket barrel that lets you shoot lead bullets. But for an out-of-the-box long-term survival gun, I'll pass over the Glock and go with a S&W M&P any day. Better ergonomics, still good aftermarket support, and you can use the brass as well as shoot lead bullets, right as they come from the factory. All I shoot is cast lead bullets, so this is a biggie for me.

  40. I am probably the only person that does not like a glock.

    i won't say anything to derogatory other than they are butt ugly but they work.

    I rather have a sig or browning.

  41. check underwood loads and try again , i've run several thousand rounds of 10mm at around 900fpe per round and nothing is loose or has failed yet , not to mention the fact that i'm still shooting the same mag while you've had to reload almost 3 times to catch up , snake isn't much good without fangs

  42. About 8,000 rds through my vintage 1992 G20. Mostly my handloads. Right around 1200 fps and about 600 ft lbs me, 180 grain. I've shot every factory and high end boutique load for 10mm. It has never "shaken loose."

    The Python on the other hand only gets 38 target loads. Those Colts have very fragile lockwork. And mine is too cherished to beat up. My show and tell safe king.

    My experiences are just the opposite of yours.


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