Survival Debate: What is the Ultimate Survival Vehicle

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We spend a lot of time talking about bug out bags, survival gear, long term food storage and weapons here at Survival Cache but we haven’t spent a lot of time debating the Ultimate Survival Vehicle (Bug Out Vehicle).  In the event of a major crisis, there is a very real possibility (especially if you live in a more urban area) that you may have to leave your primary refuge.  During a disaster, following your Plan A and staying in your home fortress might be derailed due to any number of reasons (ex: flooding, urban unrest, biological/chemical, nuclear fallout, viral pandemic, economic collapse, TEOTWAWKI, etc.).  When you have to turn to a Plan B and you have your bug out bag in hand, which method of transportation do you turn to?   (Ultimate Survival Vehicles listed in random order)

1.  Earth Roamer XV-LT:

Let’s just start off by saying this Ultimate Survival Vehicle is pretty Earthroamer XV LTS Ultimate Survival Vehicle Bug Outcool.  If you have 5 people or less and had to make it to your Bug Out location during TEOTWAWKI, this would be a very nice way to get there.  This is basically a modified truck bed camper attached to a Ford Super Duty F-550 truck chassis and then totally tricked out.  This Ultimate Survival Vehicle comes with a twin turbo diesel engine, 10,000 pound towing capacity, solar power with large battery back up pack, 85 gallons of fresh water, dual water filtration system, cassette waste management system, propane free appliances (everything runs on diesel fuel).  This rig also comes with heavy duty off-road tires, brush guard, full size spare tire, 16,500 pound front winch, 9,500 pound rear winch, 90 gallon optional fuel tank, on board air compressor and much much more.  If James Bond had a survival vehicle, this might be it.

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Pro’s – too many to list, this thing is a beast.  We are sure that there is an option for a twin .50 cal machine gun turret on top of this thing, we just could not find it on the Earth Roamer website.

Con’s – If you are the Octomom with 8 or more people in your family this might not be the best choice, take a look at a school bus.  Needs fuel to run.  The Earth Roamer XV-LT isn’t cheap, with a price tag of $225k to $300k you might have to sell your baseball card collection to get it.

2.  All Terrain Vehicle (ATV):

There are a lot of people out there who own ATVs and they make a pretty good argument forATV-Bug-Out-Vehicle-Ultimate-Survival-Vehicle the Ultimate Survival Vehicle.  With powerful engines, 4 wheel drive, aggressive tires and a width of only 48 inches (or less), this Ultimate Survival Vehicle can go anywhere and over almost any obstacle.  There are many after market options for ATVs and a lot of those options make sense for an Ultimate Survival Vehicle such as a small utility trailer to go behind your ATVs for added carrying capacity.

Pro’s – Can go almost anywhere, Can cover difficult ground at great speeds, Fairly fuel efficient, Built for the extreme so they are fairly reliable if you buy a solid brand (ex: Honda, Polaris), Affordable (you can pick up a used one pretty cheap)

Con’s – Limited protection from the elements, Limited range (bring a fuel can), Limited carrying capacity (even with trailer), requires fuel, Limited number of passengers

3.  The Human Body:

This can be your first option and it most certainly will be your last resort regardless of any bug-out-bag-survival-rifle-survival-knifeother fancy options you may use along the way.  When everything else fails your body will still be there with you.  Hopefully you’ve been able to take care of it along the way so that it can help you “save your skin” literally.  Let’s face it, you and your body have a vested interest in survival.  When thinking about a bug out situation, you might end up walking, climbing, running or swimming.  You may have to huddle for long periods in dark places or uncomfortable positions while you wait for a “clear” path to freedom.  Here are some things to think about:  How much weight can you functionally carry and for how long?   Do you have a bug out bag, does it contain truly useful items?  Have you hiked with it before?  Do you have a good pair of broken in shoes or boots?  When is the last time you walked more than 10 miles in those shoes/boots?  Are they water proof or can they dry out quickly?  Consider breath-ability vs. waterproof features.

Pro’s – The Human Body can go most anywhere and cross any type of terrain.  It does not require any type of processed fossil fuel (user level energy procurement from raw materials), very cost effective (for a small amount of money you can outfit your whole body) and it can be very quiet.

Con’s – Very limited carrying capacity, Low speed, Limited protection from the elements, difficult to move the young and the old by this method

4.  Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV):

The SUV is another good choice for the Ultimate Survival Vehicle.  They have a good range on Bug-Out-Vehicle-SUV-Ultimate-Survival-Survival-Rifle-Survival-Knife-Bushcrafta full tank of gas and with 4 wheel drive and fairly aggressive tires they can traverse most terrains you will encounter.  With a roof rack, towing capacity and seating for five or more, the SUV can carry a large family and a lot of gear.

Pro’s – Diversity (Can be your everyday vehicle and your Bug Out Vehicle), Good carry capacity, Good range, Decent off-road capability depending on model and set up, Can double as a place to sleep for a small family.

Con’s – Not very fuel efficient, requires fuel, Cannot handle extreme terrain unless modified

5.  BMW R 1200 GS Adventure:

This BMW Motorcycle is built with the extreme in mind.  With an 8.7 Gallon fuel tank and an BMW-R1200-GS-Adventure-Ultimate-Survival-Vehicle-Off-Road-Survival-Rifleestimated cruising range of 465 miles, compared to other motorcycles this thing can go along ways before it becomes thirsty.  With 1200cc and 110 Hp, this bike will take you and whatever you can pile on it (including extra gas) almost anywhere.  It also comes with reinforced aluminium side bags and top case for extra secure storage.

Pro’s – For a single person this is a great Ultimate Survival Vehicle, Great range, Very fuel efficient, Good off road capability, It is fast, Can double as your everyday vehicle if you like motorcycles

Con’s- Limited carrying capacity, requires fuel, exposure to the elements

6.  The Campa EVS:

Campa EVS (Expeditionary Vehicle System) this state-of-the art vehicle was designed for Campa-USA-EVS-Survival-Vehicleoutdoor enthusiasts, disaster management personnel and military officials who desire a completely self-contained vehicle system.  Many of the same features that you will find in Campa’s trailers have been added to the EVS.  Built on a Toyota Tacoma 4×4 V6 chassis, this is the perfect marriage of efficiency and carrying capacity.  This system has a lot of cool features from ammo boxes to a katadyn water purification system with a go anywhere attitude.  Campa USA also makes a cool expeditionary truck trailer with a pop out tent that you should check out.  It might be the perfect addition to your pick-up truck or SUV.

Pro’s - More fuel efficient that larger trucks, Well thought out emergency survival scenario of what you will need in order to be out on your own for a long period, Full kitchen, Truck chassis upgrade in areas for off road ability

Con’s - Limited in the number of people you can carry, V-6 could limit your towing capacity, Tent setup could be difficult in adverse weather

7.  The Unicat:

If money is no object to you, then a UNICAT Expeditionary Vehicle is what you need to buy. Unicat-Ultimate-Survival-Vehicle-Bug-Out-Bag This thing is a monster.  Although UNICAT offers different variations of its vehicles, we decided that the 6×6 Amerigo International with the motorcycle/bike rack mounted on the back was the way to go.  Built on an International Truck 7400 chassis, this monster will crush those who would stand in its way.  As you could expect with the title “Expeditionary Vehicle” this thing comes with 112 Gallons of fresh water, satellite communications, all wheel drive, 2 x 120 gallon gas tanks (9mm skid plates for protection) with a 2,000 mile range , water fording capability over 5 ft, extra retractable bolts and cylinder locks to secure all doors, theft proof windows, solar power, and much more.  TEOTWAWKI here we come.

Pro’s - Too many to list, you will have to go to the website and read them for yourself.  With 6×6, 310 Hp, and reinforced doors this monster was built with TEOTWAWKI in mind.

Con’s - Expensive (a used one is about $600k), At 8 MPG you will be sucking down the fuel but on the other hand you have 2 x 120 Gallon tanks so let them drink until you and your family reach safety.

8.  Jeep Wrangler:

The Jeep Wrangler is in a class by itself when it comes to off road capability.  What it lacks inJeep-Best-Bug-Out-Vehicle carrying capacity it makes up for with its ability to go almost anywhere that ATV can travel.  Another great advantage of the jeep is the after market parts that are available, from tires to under armor protection.  If you can dream it, then it is probably available for the Jeep Wrangler including a snorkel for deep water crossings.

Pro’s - Unrivaled in off road capability, Great after market parts to build the Ultimate Survival Vehicle, Good range, Can cover difficult terrain at good speeds, Can pull a travel trailer

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Is the Jeep Wrangler the #1?

Con’s – Limited carrying capacity, Hard to sleep in (bring a tent), Requires fuel

9.  The Modern “Blue Water” Sail Boat:

Before you laugh think about this, ⅔ of the earth is covered by water and this is the only Bug-Out-Boat-Hallberg-RassyUltimate Survival Vehicle on this list that can traverse most of the earth under the power of the wind, make its own fresh water and has access to an unlimited supply of fresh food.  The term “Blue Water” refers to a class of sailing boat that are built with the harsh seas of the open ocean in mind.  The modern sailing boat is truly something of a marvel.  New technology allows the modern sailor to use solar and wind power to create and store energy in large battery banks without the need of starting the diesel engine to recharge the batteries.  The modern sail boat also has a powerful diesel engine with a large fuel storage tank to get you out of a jam.  The interesting part of a sail boat is that under the power of the wind, it can move in any direction except for directly into the wind.  That means that it can travel in a 315 degree arch without burning any fuel and at speeds between 5 to 15 knots depending on type of sail boat.

Pro’s – Make your own fresh water with battery powered desalination, Solar and wind powered energy sources available, Total isolation from people, Full kitchen, As long as the wind is blowing you are moving, good source of fresh food (need to like fish), large comfortable living space, endless range.

Con’s – If things go bad the bail out plan in the open ocean is not good (see our book review “Adrift”), Need to have a back up source of vitamins, If the wind isn’t blowing you won’t be moving very fast

10.  Sportsmobile 4WD Adventure Vehicle:

TV repairman meets the A-Team. The Sportsmobile 4WD Vehicle is for the most discerning of Ultimate-Bug-Out-Vehicle-Surival-Knifeoff-road enthusiasts. Only the best heavy duty components are used to give the absolute best off-road performance while maintaining excellent on-road performance.  This is a Ford E350 Extended Cargo Van jacked up on steroids.   You will have to read the website to see all the upgrades but just to let you know they are not playing around they put a Dynatrac Pro-Roc 60 front axle and Dana 60 Rear Axle on the Sportsmobile.

Pro’s – This thing is built from the ground up to go anywhere, 46 gallon fuel tank provides a good range (600+ miles), 32 Gallons of Fresh Water, Well thought out living space with the pop up tent camper, Full kitchen, So many off road upgrades that it will make your redneck friends drool.

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Con’s – Looks like a cargo van, A little to tall and wide for some off road trails, Needs fuel.

11.  The Knight XV:

If you live in a high threat big city environment and you have some extra cash and a spare Bug-Out-Vehicle-Conquest-Knight-XV-Survivalparking spot, you might want to look at the Knight XV from Conquest Vehicles.  This 13,000 pound urban assault vehicle would make the perfect escape from New York vehicle for some Wall Street big shot.  With under body magnetic bomb detection, external smoke screen, night vision cameras, electrostatic window opaquing (tinting system), run flat tires, armor that laughs at anything under a .50 cal round and….oh did we mention heated seats.  This vehicle will get you and your personal security detail out of the city in a hurry.

Pro’s – a lot of cool features for a high threat environment

Con’s – Expensive ($450k), Needs fuel, Not a lot of sustainability features like a kitchen or water storage

12.  Mountain Bike:

The modern day Mountain Bike is a true Ultimate Survival Vehicle.  With ultra strong light Bug-Out-Vehicle-Mountain-Bikeweigh construction, rack systems for storage, puncture resistant self sealing tires and peddling gears for almost any situation, the Mountain Bike of today can be a stand alone Survival Vehicle or used in conjunction with almost any other Survival Vehicle on this list.  In 1941 the Japanese Army successfully employed bicycles in their Southern campaign through Malaya on their way to capturing Singapore from Allied forces.  At one point they had 50,000 bicycle soldiers.  This proves that while riding a bicycle you can carry a rifle and a pack under stressful conditions.

Pro’s – Will go almost anywhere, easily attaches to trucks/cars/campers/SUVs, No fuel required, Quiet,  Can cover long distances (40 to 100 miles a day) depending on terrain

Con’s – limited carrying capacity, exposure to elements, difficult to move through snow

13.  The ARGO:

Argo Amphibious Vehicles are legendary in the Northern Territories of Canada and Alaska Bug-Out-Vehicle-Argo-Survival-Knifewhere water obstacles are a common problem.  When it comes to a vehicle that does not stop for deep snow or a major water crossing, it is the Argo.  With a top speed of 20 mph on land and around 2 mph in the water, the Argo can literally speed into the water, swim to the other side, and climb right out.  It comes in an 8×8 or a 6×6 version all wheel drive.

Pro’s – Will swim, Serious off road capability, Comes in a track version

Con’s – Limited carrying capacity, exposure to the elements, drives like a tank, Skid plate is optional but with a plastic shell it would be a good idea

14.  Oshkosh Tactical Protector Vehicle:

This might be the ugly brother of the Knight XV and maybe meaner.  With the ability to stop upOshkosh-TPV-Bug-Out-Vehicle-Survival-Rifle to 14.5 mm Armor Piercing Rounds, this Ultimate Survival Vehicle can take a beating and keep rolling.  Unlike the Knight XV, the Oshkosh TPV comes with side gun ports for blasting your way to freedom and a top gun turret for mounting your machine gun.  Another cool option on the TPV is the Nuclear, Biological, Chemical protection system which means you will have a full head of hair when you get to your bug out location while everyone else is bald from radiation poisoning.  Looking good during TEOTWAWKI is important.

Pro’s – A lot of cool features for a high threat environment like Somalia or TEOTWAWKI

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Con’s - Expensive ($200k), Needs fuel, Not a lot of sustainability features like a kitchen or water storage

15.  Pick-Up Truck:

The great thing about this option is that they are very affordable as far as vehicles go (you can Survival-Bug-Out-Vehicle-Truckhave an older 2WD or a newer 4×4 depending on your budget), many of us already have one as a primary or secondary vehicle, you can carry a great deal of gear in the back and with a modified compartment kit you can even store equipment in compartments and have a bed set up above your storage area.  There are modifications that you can add to make your pickup truck more use-able (like a camper shell or regular shell, carpet kits, trailer etc..)

Pro’s – Can be a cheaper vehicle alternative to many of the other options, can be configured to suit needs depending on terrain and gear requirements, You won’t stand out as having an expensive vehicle that would make you a more attractive target to other folks who may be in a more desperate situation than you that you may run into along the way to your bug out spot (i.e. at checkpoints), Can pull a travel trailer, Can double as your everyday vehicle

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Con’s – Can be difficult for a larger family to utilize however you can always put the kids in the back (you probably won’t have to worry about seat belt laws during TEOTWAWKI) or opt for an Xtra-Cab or 4 door model,  Requires fuel

Let the debate begin

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adventureK9(YT) November 19, 2010 at 3:26 pm

All great choices above. Personally, I'd want something that is easy to turn around. I would avoid anything requiring a trailer since backing up on a rough trail or evading an ambush might be a problem.

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adventureK9(YT) November 19, 2010 at 3:30 pm

After owning an E350 van, I'd probably go with the 4×4 van option (#10 above). You can jump from your bed to the driver's seat in a flash and get down the road, plus it's surprisingly capable off-road, plus it's a reasonably affordable option for covering all bases (range, adaptability, mobility, cargo space, etc.)

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takitezy November 28, 2010 at 4:19 am

Depending on where you live (me in California) I suggest everyone carry a real good snake bite kit. Just one of those things you don't think of but just might save a life in certain parts of the US.

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Regulator5 March 23, 2011 at 9:45 pm

High maintenance costs and not "user friendly" for maintenance. The military ended their contract because of the cost vs productivity. BTW, my last duty position was as a BN motor SGT.

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Major July 3, 2012 at 4:54 pm

As a R1200GS owner, I must say you sound so incredibly jealous. They are both motorcycles my friend, and the 1200 can carry two-up and more equipment/food/guns by FAR than your little chinese made engine can ever dream. Why not say something like a KLR if you are going to go cheapo?

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Minarchist_1776 November 20, 2010 at 8:41 pm

It all depends on what your needs are. One person's ideal choice may be another person's total turkey. Yes, I'd like to have an Earth Roamer XV-LT. I'd also like Lady Gaga to have my love children. The odds of either one of those happening are about the same.

My circumstances are that I can only afford one vehicle, so it has to be able to do everything from simply getting me back and forth running normal errands to being able to handle bug out duties in a pinch. For a variety of reasons I have settled on an older model SUV. I'm enough of a mechanic to handle most of the maintenance issues, and it doesn't attract attention like some of the other choices might.

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takitezy November 28, 2010 at 4:31 am

I carry a six pac camper on a ¾ ton GMC 4×4 with the extra cab. This truck has duel tanks. (84 gals) I carry on the back of the camper two gas cans mounted outside. The truck is standard shift for the hills and load. I have the camper loaded with supplies (non-perishables) and a carry rack that fits into the hitch for carrying extra gear and food pack. I figure that I can carry enough food and supplies to go my family 6 mos. I figure that having this setup will allow me to get back further into the woods than dragging a trailer. Also if you get stuck you do not have the problem of getting the trailer out also.

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KYMonkey March 29, 2011 at 8:18 am

Gotta agree with Rafterman on this one. Test drove one and was not at all crazy about the view out the rear windows. I'm tall, so my Forester rear view mirror gets in my way sometimes, but with the back seats down I can see for days.

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Crabain June 28, 2012 at 3:15 am

lol, if you rule out a car (with a proven low self-maintainance/indestructible/economical engine) because of a terrible view out the back than your life is forfeit when shtf mate.

This car/engine is legendary, it is used (and will be for many years) in every third-world country around the world. most of these cars there have ridiculious amounts of mileage on them and are maintained (if at all) by the lowest of standards. This a proven fact.

I also prefer the Landrover Series/Defender and the Mercedes G300 d Longbody. All have fairly economical engines and you can allways put vegetable oil in it when regular diesel is scarce (wich is likely wshtf). And not ridiculously expensive to buy.

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MadManDan November 19, 2010 at 4:12 pm

It kind of depends on where you live and what happens, but all things being equal, I like the 6X6 argo with the canopy and skid plate, the pickup, and the mountain bike. You can make a full size enclosed trailer into a faraday cage, put your argo, equipment, and electronics in there (for EMP's), hitch that to your pickup, and put your mountain bike(s) in the bed. Full protection for whatever might arise.

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Outfoxed November 19, 2010 at 4:40 pm

The set up I have is a tent trailer that sits in the yard and is loaded up with all my 5 gallon buckets full of rations and extra gear. In a bug out situation I grab all my extra gear from my attic and throw it in the bed of the pick up and hitch up the pre-loaded trailer. Throw the family in the truck and we're gone!

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irridesent November 19, 2010 at 8:24 pm

I posted this on SurvivalMom a short while ago on the same topic :
Ok, unless I'm mistaken, I'd like a horse. Drive to the country, find an old farmer, and ask if he would barter for a horse in exchange for you feeding it, cleaning out the barn, fixing up his/her house. If gas skyrockets (it already has) and/or emp happens, old bessy might be worth her weight in food!! Yes, you will still have to go get her but it is a good way to meet someone who has spent their whole life living off the land and along with gaining a new friend(s), you would learn a thing or two as well as helping someone out; you both benefit.

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Sasquatch November 19, 2010 at 7:24 pm

I am surprised that the Humvee was not included in the list. Personally I am relying on the SUV for now, but will eventually upgrade to a 4×4 crew cab off road pick up / trailer, combo. Pre-loading the trailer with the non perishables is a great idea (thank you outfoxed). I had also planned to somewhat disguise my rig as a working truck, in an effort to draw less attention in a SHTF scenario. ie. ladder on top of trailer with one of those pvc tubes I see on top of contractors trucks all the time – a few dents would go a long way in my opinion as well. I want to look like an evacuee just like everybody else. the less attention the better.

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MadManDan November 22, 2010 at 1:35 am

I'd recommend re-reading the post. My recommendation was for practice purposes you should take some PVC to a lake and learn how to do this so you're prepared to do it when it matters. What's going on FTW? We're all here to learn from each other, and share idea's so what makes you feel attacked here?

No hard feelings my friend.

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@iamcomindown November 20, 2010 at 4:21 am

1992 FORD AEROSTAR

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Watchdog November 20, 2010 at 4:30 am

Nobody seems to have thought of the best way to Get Out Of Dodge….Fast! While all you guys are sitting in gridlock fighting off all those "zombies", I could be zipping high overhead in my ultralight. No ambush worries. Can land on a country road. Loads of space for two BOB's and a passenger. 250 miles on a full tank of regular gas, as the crow flies. Bye.

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adventureK9(YT) November 20, 2010 at 3:22 pm

Good idea, but I would think you would be very limited on cargo -such as water and food. But I like that mode of thinking.

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Liberty November 20, 2010 at 4:54 pm

We plan on getting one of those-actually looking at the Aventura. Two seater with storage, and only 500 feet to take off!

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FUZY February 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Use an old bicycle pump with a little modification to the two way valve you can use this to suck out the fuel then pump it into your own container, vehicle etc. Or get a diesel and take the oil from the rear of a fast food joint (very cheep conversion by the way)

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Robert Clay Allison May 30, 2012 at 1:02 am

In situations that call for bug out proceedures all bets are off. Getting the hell out of Dodge is the mission, by all means necessary including theft of others vehicles- primarily a law-enforcement vehicle. Yes extremely risky and hard to acomplish, but not impossible and a man wiht nothing left to lose stands only to gain…

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tienshanman November 20, 2010 at 5:36 am

What a bunch of nonsense typical of a car infatuated society. If all hell breaks loose where do you think you are going to get the fuel and the parts to keep these hunks of metal running. Answer: you are not. If you have an "earthroamer" you'll be roaming until your tank runs dry or you rip a tire, good luck after that. Unless you are in first class physical shape you are toast.

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adventureK9(YT) November 20, 2010 at 3:26 pm

So you see it as an "all or nothing" kind of thing? As if everything will come to a screaming halt, and fuel will dry up instantly. This article pertains more to getting out of dodge in general. Once you get to your final destination I don't see a lot of need for leisurely driving which would demand tons of fuel.
If you are going to put down an option you should at least present your ideas so you don't come off as a negative-nancy.

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Sibbesen November 21, 2010 at 5:46 am

Seems a bit overkill spending good money (600K on the Unicat!) on a one way ticket!

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MadManDan November 20, 2010 at 11:14 pm

As adventurek9 said you only need enough fuel to get to your bugout. If you do want a nomad existence, there will be a ton of abandoned vehicles on suburban freeways, and since most gas stations run on electric fuel pumps, you may find some that haven't been syphoned dry. All in all there will be fuel for sometime, whether it's worth the risk trying to acquire is another topic altogether.

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Doktor Jeep November 20, 2010 at 5:41 am

What about horsies? :-(

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GAT October 20, 2011 at 7:04 pm

I'm with you on an armored truck, BUT does anyone know where to get one????

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Lake Snake November 20, 2010 at 6:34 am

The Bmw F650GS is a much better choice than the Adventure. I get almost 70 miles to the gallon and can go places the much larger R1200GS could only dream of. My International Scout Turbo Diesel will run on Vegetable oil and gets 25 Miles to the gallon. However, this brings up the question of why run away? Put another magazine in your trusty AR-15!!!!!!

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Andrew November 20, 2010 at 9:53 am

Deuce & 1/2! Runs on almost anything, ultimate carrying capacity, very configurable and versatile. Comes with Bert Gummer's endorsement. Mountain bike for the light traveler. Sailboat presents the best of most worlds, as long as your bugout destination is water accessible, and you don't have to bug out during extreme weather.

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Morat June 13, 2012 at 4:47 am

or tsunami….

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Roman Redna November 20, 2010 at 11:09 am

I've gotta agree with the minority here, these vehicles are fantastic for getting you out of a city (I live in LA and would love #14) but ultimately they're going to turn into lawn ornaments. Be it gas, parts, tires, or just getting stuck somewhere you thought you couldn't get stuck. Not to mention if stealth is your best friend than these aren't the way to go. Are they good to have? Hells yeah. But I wouldn't be putting too much faith in having it in a year or so following SHTF.

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P.M.Lawrence November 20, 2010 at 5:04 am

If you can get a vehicle with an older engine, i.e. no fuel injection and computer control, you can modify it to run off producer gas drawn from a gasifier burning locally gathered scrap wood or similar. Plans for that are available on the internet; FEMA offers one.

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MadManDan November 20, 2010 at 11:06 pm

In addition to what PM Lawrence said, you really only need fuel to get to your bugout anyway. In most scenarios though, you'll be able to syphon fuel from abandoned cars on a freeway should you desire a more nomadic lifestyle.

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Michael November 21, 2010 at 12:40 am

Sailboat wont do you any good if you don't live near open water and know how to sail and there's wind (course they all have motors too.). ;->

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microcapmaven November 21, 2010 at 12:46 am

Ah, but I do.

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Michael November 21, 2010 at 1:23 am

I grew up sailing on Puget Sound. SHTF and you could just hop in your boat and head for SE Alaska.

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microcapmaven November 21, 2010 at 3:42 pm

Long Island, NY. We could hop in the boat and "escape" to NJ :-)

Capn Mike November 21, 2010 at 3:43 pm

So learn to sail

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Mark November 22, 2010 at 9:51 am

My biggest concern is pirates, a slow moving sailboat is not defensible and anytime you get near land you would be a easy target.

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microcapmaven November 22, 2010 at 9:59 am

Depends on how prepared one is. Also, if pirates by the coast are a danger, what makes you think it will be any safer on land? Is Somalia any safer than its offshore environs, for example?

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bob July 20, 2011 at 5:24 am

:) lol

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microcapmaven November 24, 2010 at 12:21 am

Maybe a "prairie schooner" is for you.

I fell in love with the boat used in the movie Waterworld. I actually saw it while on San Diego Bay a few years back, docked way back in a marina. Not enough protected space aboard, though.

Maybe if a convoy of sailboats stuck together, it would be safer. Or, they could hire pirates to escort them– what a triumph of capitalism :-) .

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countmecha November 28, 2010 at 6:47 am

because I like food that runs, not swims.

But yeah the whole boat thing should be considered.

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Old Scout December 15, 2010 at 7:12 pm

As MadManDan said, you only have to get to your BOL and if you know how far that is – and the alternate routes that you're liable to have to take – you can plan pretty close to what you will have to have for fuel consumption.
A vehicle that only gets 10 mpg will get you 200 miles on a 20 gal. tank. Add an extra tank and you can now go 400 miles just on what you have in the vehicles fuel tanks alone. Now, add to this a contingency of 5-10 5 gal. jerry-cans and you can go 900 – 1400 miles. That is more than enough to get you the heck out of dodge.
Personally I like the concept in the old WW2 TV-show, The Rat Patrol, in which they placed jerry-can holders on every open space of the jeeps body, including the hood, if I remember right. Half were filled with fuel and half were filled with water. Something to think about.
Scouts Out

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Dimitri August 28, 2011 at 8:18 pm

If you don't bug out, then you are going to be left behind in LA with the gangsters running the show. What are you going to do when 20 heavily armed thugs come by to take your food and water?

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Roman Redna November 20, 2010 at 2:09 pm

I've gotta agree with the minority here, these vehicles are fantastic for getting you out of a city (I live in LA and would love #14) but ultimately they're going to turn into lawn ornaments. Be it gas, parts, tires, or just getting stuck somewhere you thought you couldn't get stuck. Not to mention if stealth is your best friend than these aren't the way to go. Are they good to have? Hells yeah. But I wouldn't be putting too much faith in having it in a year or so following SHTF.

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adventureK9(YT) November 20, 2010 at 3:25 pm

So you see it as an "all or nothing" kind of thing? As if everything will come to a screaming halt, and fuel will dry up instantly. This article pertains more to getting out of dodge in general. Once you get to your final destination I don't see a lot of need for leisurely driving which would demand tons of fuel.
If you are going to put down an option you should at least present your ideas so you don't come off as a negative-nancy.

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GETNREADY November 20, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Don't rule out the Toyota FJ Cruiser 4×4 (which would fall under SUV/truck?).. these are just as capable as a jeep wrangler, and have many of the same after-market parts. They can be outfitted to handle just about any terrain including water crossing. http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/member-buil…

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MadManDan November 21, 2010 at 12:57 am

Older vehicles can be EMP proof with the right preparation. Get a set of spark plugs, a distributor cap, solenoid, fuel pump, starter and battery and put it in a Faraday cage, and you'll be rolling with less than an hour's worth of work. Modern cars would be a little tricky because of the computers they put in them, but with a 1990 F150 you could buy one right now for about $1200, get all the necessary duplicate components for around $500 new, or hit a junkyard and get it for $100. Also any of the smaller vehicles ATV's, Argo's, dirt bikes, etc can all go into a trailer triple wrapped with tin foil (grounded if possible), and they would survive any EMP effects.

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RafterManFMJ November 20, 2010 at 12:31 pm

And by armored car, I mean the type that transports cash for loomis or Wells Fargo – not a military APC

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velojym February 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Yes. I used to drive them for a living. While they're a neat idea, they're only a good option if you have clear, dry roadbeds and no real opposition to your travel. I can't go into detail on their shortcomings, for security reasons, but they're far from suitable as BOVs, at least, without a huge amount of modification that would be better used on a more stock truck.

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Andy November 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm

Perhaps tienshanman, you don't understand the concept of the bugout vehicle. It is to get you from a hotspot to a predetermined safe location, and no farther. Preppers will not be raoming the earth in their BOV, It will be a one way finite trip, at the end of which, it is parked and camouflaged. That is when the survival period really begins. I have about 700 miles range in my truck on a full tank normally, and I try to keep 1000 miles worth of diesel on hand beyond that. I figure that would likely be enough to get me the 250 miles to my BOL if it is necessary to try several routes, including off-road. Beyond that, I am working on a method of leveraging the available railroad via modified bicycle and side car. Not capable of carrying heavy loads, but I don't really plan on having to carry my supplies. I am simply duplicating supplies at the BOL. All I really need is a way to get me and mine there.
My vote is the truck and camper, obviously, since that is what I have already opted for.

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Dave July 23, 2012 at 9:59 pm

You could get the best of both your ideas by adding the guide wheels that rail service trucks use.

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Andy November 20, 2010 at 4:00 pm

Perhaps tienshanman, you don't understand the concept of the bugout vehicle. It is to get you from a hotspot to a predetermined safe location, and no farther. Preppers will not be raoming the earth in their BOV, It will be a one way finite trip, at the end of which, it is parked and camouflaged. That is when the survival period really begins. I have about 700 miles range in my truck on a full tank normally, and I try to keep 1000 miles worth of diesel on hand beyond that. I figure that would likely be enough to get me the 250 miles to my BOL if it is necessary to try several routes, including off-road. Beyond that, I am working on a method of leveraging the available railroad via modified bicycle and side car. Not capable of carrying heavy loads, but I don't really plan on having to carry my supplies. I am simply duplicating supplies at the BOL. All I really need is a way to get me and mine there.
My vote is the truck and camper, obviously, since that is what I have already opted for.

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aj52 November 20, 2010 at 4:32 pm

Does anybody know of a tried and true device to manually pump gas or diesel from the tanks of a gas station if power is shut down? As far as indulging myself in the ultimate survival vehicle fantasy I am going for the Oshkosh TPV. Fully loaded of course!

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MadManDan November 21, 2010 at 12:05 am

This is a messy method, but I've done it before, and it works without any electrical power making it good for a survival situation. I'd recommend having clothing and a set of rubber gloves to keep the fuel off your hands and the smell to a minimum..

Take a 20' long PVC pipe (assuming a tanks is 10 ft deep, and 5 ft below the surface, plus 5ft for you to hold onto) and put it into the tank, seal the top of the pipe with your hand so that it is airtight. Draw the pipe up. Once at the top, in a swift motion uncover the top and push the pipe down quickly and re-cover the pipe at the bottom of your motion so it's airtight again. Keep repeating the motion, and after three or four motions depending on the length of the pipe you'll be pulling fluid, so use your hand to direct the liquid into a flat open top container (a kiddie swimming pool would work well for this task) Once filled you can transfer to a more practical container. You'll get about 10-20 ounces through a 3/4" pipe with every motion, which is about 3 gallons a minute (assuming you catch all the fuel you're pumping).

Try practicing on a lake with a shorter pipe to get the motion down. Good luck!

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adventureK9(YT) November 21, 2010 at 2:48 pm

The simplest method would just require some rope and a bucket.

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KYMonkey March 29, 2011 at 8:14 am

Fuel is the first thing I thought about when looking at the massive, specialized vehicles. But a car could be used in many ways, both as a bug out and bug in scenario. Keep in mind, it's a rolling charger for electronics and it's an instant, weather proof shelter for you and your family/dogs/etc. Unless I was a wealthy man, I wouldn't bother with anything that was going to gather dust until a SHTF issue arose.

My bugout is 250 acres and 15 minutes away by two different routes. I live 5 minutes from work (7 by bicycle if I cut through a few neighborhood yards) and I'm always armed with a pistol. A car is essential to my plan, but only for stage one and two (home and bugout).

Something else to consider is running for supplies after you've reached your bugout. I'm assuming that I'm going to have to help more people than there are supplies in my bag/home. A vehicle that you can get in and out of a city with would be handy when you're scavenging.

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jdf November 13, 2011 at 10:02 pm

only thing about cars, especially newer ones, is theres so many electronics in them.

microcapmaven November 20, 2010 at 11:45 pm

True, some people are chained to city jobs. I have mostly flown to where I worked. However, since the crash, work is more scarce and I don't enjoy travelling anymore, with its extreme TSA hassles, crowding and delays. So, I sold my "mansion" and downsized to the beach. Lower overhead, lower pressure, safer, more fun. Should have done it 10 years ago.

Living off investments.

Several friends have bought or rented farms, moved out of state, out of cities, even abroad. Most situations have worked out, at least according to them. One couple in Mexico, keeps coming back here more and more.

If there is general civil unrest and supply chain disruption, it is said that you are better off in a smallish, defensible community, surrounded by like-minded motivated, well-prepared people, rather out in the boondocks, alone, with no support system. The idea that you can hold off the world with an AK-47, a room full of canned goods and medical supplies, is probably romanticized nonsense.

The guys with the bicycles will probably survive longer than the ones with the supertrucks.

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tomkinton January 18, 2011 at 6:13 am

Very smart. Been there, done most of it. Concur with the house-defense fallacy. I submit that the smaller community is the best idea (see Costner's underrated movie 'The Postman') and your best COA there (course of action) is to burrow in to the local scene like a tick. Become indispensible; have a needed and known skill set/assets. And no, I cannot spell indispensible. Dammit. Skill set as English teacher just reduced by one case of beef stew.

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KYMonkey March 29, 2011 at 8:41 am

Speaking of English…I've actually thought about making runs (in a truly TEOTWAWKI situation) to the library. Not just for entertainment, but true book learnin'…like how to make flour, clay ovens, etc. Off topic, I know…

Yeah, digging in isn't my first option, but I'm surrounded by retirees that are kind and generous and I'd feel terrible abandoning them. I'm still planning on getting the hell out of Dodge…I just might have a caravan. I've never thought about talking to them about it, but it might be a good idea. I guess I just assumed that, rather than dealing with patronizing smirks from the ill-prepared, it'd be easier to shout, "FOLLOW ME!" while the earth shakes and fire falls from the sky.

Still, I have a nice little brick walled porch that I could rest a bi-pod on in necessary…

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BigBud73 September 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm

a 12volt electric fuel pump from any car would suffice, or you might even try a battery drill powered fuel/ water pump found at your local hardware store… (HARBOR FREIGHT)
Just remember have lots of Security when attempting to access fuel from public places after TEOTWAWKI… people without the knowledge will be watching/waiting…

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bubby wubby March 22, 2014 at 5:38 am

yes i do i used to work at a gas station . open the port on the ground where the tankers hook up to fill the under ground tanks then put a 20 foot hose into the tank duct tape to a simple hand pump and you can get gas. dont remove the green cap unless you need deisel

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Michael November 20, 2010 at 4:57 pm

I'd swap out the mountain bike for a touring bicycle. Mountain bikes are heavy and slow and because of their frame geometry can't carry much of a load.

You can ride a touring bike with fat tires can almost anywhere a mountain bike will go and the places you can't ride it, it you just get off it and push for a bit. Bikes are easy to hide, no worries about getting stuck in traffic, don't need gasoline. An in shape rider can cover 100 miles a day with a 30 pound load. A touring bike can carry 50 pounds of stuff on the bike and another 50 in a trailer (or more) if you're not worried about going far or fast. Bikes are also good basic transport pre-bugging out, fun, not that expensive (but, please, don't buy a $100 big box store hunk of junk) and a good way to stay in shape.

The downside to bikes a BOV is that they only work for bicyclists. If you're not already an avid cyclist, you're not going to strap 50 pounds of gear to a bike and GOOD. You might not even GOOYN.

GOOYN= get out of your neighborhood.

I like the horse suggestion, but I think that like bikes that's only going to work for someone that's into horses and already has the skills needed to ride and care for a horse.

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RafterManFMJ November 20, 2010 at 9:18 pm

Absolutely TERRIBLE view out the back. Hard to see, back up, or know what's back there.

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Peter November 18, 2011 at 5:14 pm

Mountain bikes are a much better option than a touring bike. They are far more rugged. Touring wheels aren't made for rough the rough treatment you may have to give them. Mt. bikes are designed for easy maintenance on the trail, can be fitted with panniers and even a bike trailer for extra capacity. Plus with the low gearing they will allow you an efficient pedal stroke when heavily loaded so you don't tire as quickly.

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velojym February 2, 2012 at 2:58 pm

The only real issue with most modern mountain bikes and carrying a load is that it's more difficult and expensive to mount a proper load-bearing rack to the front fork. For bugout purposes, I'd find a fully rigid bike with a full set of braze-ons. Barring that, you can still pick up an aftermarket fork that's designed to replace a suspension fork without messing up the geometry. I have both mountain and touring bikes, and my bugout bike will be the mountain model. Besides, it's a Montague Paratrooper, which folds in half, and will fit in the back of the Cessna or (probably) the Piper.

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Michael November 20, 2010 at 7:57 pm

I'd swap out the mountain bike for a touring bicycle. Mountain bikes are heavy and slow and because of their frame geometry can't carry much of a load.

You can ride a touring bike with fat tires can almost anywhere a mountain bike will go and the places you can't ride it, it you just get off it and push for a bit. Bikes are easy to hide, no worries about getting stuck in traffic, don't need gasoline. An in shape rider can cover 100 miles a day with a 30 pound load. A touring bike can carry 50 pounds of stuff on the bike and another 50 in a trailer (or more) if you're not worried about going far or fast. Bikes are also good basic transport pre-bugging out, fun, not that expensive (but, please, don't buy a $100 big box store hunk of junk) and a good way to stay in shape.

The downside to bikes a BOV is that they only work for bicyclists. If you're not already an avid cyclist, you're not going to strap 50 pounds of gear to a bike and GOOD. You might not even GOOYN.

GOOYN= get out of your neighborhood.

I like the horse suggestion, but I think that like bikes that's only going to work for someone that's into horses and already has the skills needed to ride and care for a horse.

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TED March 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm

TRAVIS, I think you are correct. Ted

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Travis November 20, 2010 at 7:57 pm

The larger and more exotic/tricked out the vehicle the harder it will be to maneuver down streets clogged with debris and broken and out of gas vehicles, the less distance it will travel into the back country, the more fuel it will burn through while traveling a shorter distance and the more fuel it will take to fill it up meaning you will have to either carrying more fuel leaving less room for gear or have to barter for more when you find it [so instead of trading some food for fuel you are now trading food, ammo, and possibly a weapon or gear for fuel], the larger and more obvious the target it presents, the harder it will be to maneuver in an ambush which means either standing and fighting for it or having to flee and leave the majority of your gear behind if overwhelmed, and the more difficult [and expensive] it will be to find spare parts for or the harder and farther you will have to look for another vehicle from which you can scavenge.

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marvin July 6, 2011 at 1:46 am

when TSHTF there may be more to bug out for than we know we may have to ban together with friends and family living miles away this is something we should always keep in mind and have a plan for at least

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Travis November 20, 2010 at 8:05 pm

At the moment I own a 2000 automatic Ford Ranger XLT basic package and I can honestly say this little truck has done everything I have needed it to. I’ve taken it into places that I probably shouldn’t have and brought it back out again without problem, it’s small, fast, maneuverable, gets good gas mileage with an 18 gallon tank, I’ve put over 145,000 mile on it and only had to replace the rear axle which was my fault, I’ve loaded it down with close to a ton of weight equipment, an ATV will fit in the bed without problem, and the extra cab space is plenty of room for a medium amount of gear while still allowing for 2 people to ride comfortably. Not to mention parts are easy to get and it’s not a difficult vehicle to do minor repairs and maintenance on. Looking back however, I would have purchased a standard 4×4 Ranger XLT at the time. My next vehicle will more than likely be a Ford F150 or F250 Super Cab 4×4 for the increased seating, room for more gear, and the 4×4 capability.

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Mike November 21, 2010 at 1:10 pm

This is my bugout vehicle but I have a 1992. I have modified it for emergency communications. I volunteer for Savation Army Team Emergency Network. I have signs on the vehicle stating this. I think that the biggest threat during a crisis will be martial law meaning you won't beable to get out of town. I have a uniform and can get orders from a friend in emergency government to leave to a different city. If the people at road checks don't believe me I can put someone on the radio to verify this. I will be volunteering but I consider this a payment for my work being able to get out safetly. It is a 300 mile drive to my hunting cottage which is in the middle of nowhere and very comfortable.

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Kate November 20, 2010 at 8:37 pm

Obviously not for everyone, but one thing they didn't have in the article was pack goats. Should have had horses, donkeys, etc., too. But pack goats have some advantages in certain situations. They can carry a pretty good load for their size (about one-third of their weight — an adult doe will usually weigh 125-150 lbs., while wethers and bucks mature at 180 lbs. up to close to three hundred pounds), and can traverse (with fully loaded packs) terrain that would be impossible for a horse. They can feed themselves just about anyplace, being able to eat most kinds of brush, and even lichens way above tree-line (there are a few poisonous plants to watch out for, such as rhododendron and azalea). And along with all this, if you have some does in milk, they will also help feed you and your family.

The only thing is, most likely, if you live where you can keep goats (or horses) you don't live where you'll need to bug out for very much.

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Pat Miketinac November 20, 2010 at 9:42 pm

Why not bug out in an aircooled VW Bug? They are cheap, rugged, simple, easy to maintain by owner, and will keep running when a magnetic pulse takes out your computer controlled vehicles. Storage? Tow a light camping trailer.

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Michael November 21, 2010 at 12:45 am

Totally. They get pretty good gas mileage and are good on dirt roads too.

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microcapmaven November 21, 2010 at 12:50 am

If you need to go 250 miles to your BOL, maybe you're situated wrong. More and more people have already moved to their BOL's.

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MadManDan November 21, 2010 at 1:23 am

I don't disagree with that statement, but to give up our way of life is already admitting ourself defeated. I myself would rather die tomorrow living my life the way I want than to survive an SHTF situation but to have given up on my chosen way of life. Besides it would be somewhat impractical to be far enough away from a metro area to be completely safe, and still have steady income. If you are able to live the way you want, and be in a bug out area, I applaud you for it, congrats.

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KYMonkey March 29, 2011 at 8:27 am

Wow…well thought, Pat! I used to own a '79 bus that was finicky but easy to mess with when needed. The only thing that would give me pause in the heater on it sucked and the insulation was terrible…I was usually only about 10 degrees warmer in my car than the outside temperature. Something to consider if it becomes a temporary shelter…

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velojym February 2, 2012 at 2:59 pm

I'd love to find a Thing, but a solid Baja Bug would be awesome, too. I have too much stuff higher on my list, though.

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microcapmaven November 21, 2010 at 2:45 am

True, some people are chained to city jobs. I have mostly flown to where I worked. However, since the crash, work is more scarce and I don't enjoy travelling anymore, with its extreme TSA hassles, crowding and delays. So, I sold my "mansion" and downsized to the beach. Lower overhead, lower pressure, safer, more fun. Should have done it 10 years ago.

Living off investments.

Several friends have bought or rented farms, moved out of state, out of cities, even abroad. Most situations have worked out, at least according to them. One couple in Mexico, keeps coming back here more and more.

If there is general civil unrest and supply chain disruption, it is said that you are better off in a smallish, defensible community, surrounded by like-minded motivated, well-prepared people, rather out in the boondocks, alone, with no support system. The idea that you can hold off the world with an AK-47, a room full of canned goods and medical supplies, is probably romanticized nonsense.

The guys with the bicycles will probably survive longer than the ones with the supertrucks.

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Michael November 21, 2010 at 11:58 pm

I think people are best off living in towns and smaller cities where crime's low, there are jobs within walking or biking range of where you live,there's locally produced electricity, (hydo power!) and water isn't shipped in from far away (like most of SOCAL) and giving up on BOL's and retreats. There might be a fire, an earth quake, a chemical spill… You might have to bug out of your place for a short time, but the whole retreat thing strikes me a bit of fantasy.

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MadManDan November 22, 2010 at 1:49 am

I really wish I could do that, but like you said, I'm pretty tied to my city(ish) job. I'd love to be in like Upper Peninsula Michigan, where there's a whole lot of fresh water, all the hunting you need, and complete obscurity from any major city, but there isn't my type of work there, and I don't mind taking a little chance with it. Enjoy the beach, and perhaps I'll join you there in a couple years!

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microcapmaven November 22, 2010 at 10:16 am

I can sympathize with you, feeling the need to work a job to build up some savings. Start putting some away in gold, silver and supplies, otherwise, you will remain on the enslavement treadmill for life, as the hope 'n change crowd inflate your money, raise your taxes and ruel you to death. Break with them at the earliest opportunity.

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bob July 20, 2011 at 5:43 am

tops on in-ground tanks are not big enough for a bucket. they are made for a six inch hose to hook up to.

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Chefbear58 December 4, 2010 at 11:14 pm

I have to agree that the best chance for survival in a situation that you must stay put, is to create a defensible position and use the human resources available. I know it sounds a little "out there", but I have met with a few of the neighbors and we drew up a defensive plan in case of emergency; Complete with "hides" and watch posts, we even have the supplies needed to make a cistern near the creek behind our houses for a clean freshwater supply. We have also planned a communication system, if electronics are working we have secure "walkie's", hand-held C.B.'s with 2 stationary set ups and solar power recharging station; if the electronics are knocked-out, we have a system of "calls" with hunting tools (like turkey calls) and flares to signal any problems that might arise.

For me though, if it is a situation where we have a national or east of the Miss. River SHTF deal, I am making my way to TN to retrieve family and then heading back here to VA, or the whole pack is going to TN and then off to the mountains in PA!

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cruft November 21, 2010 at 8:18 am

obtaining gas. tools needed…screwdreiver & hammer. method; punch hole in gas tank, voila!

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adventureK9(YT) November 21, 2010 at 6:13 pm

If you have such issue with the debates on this website, why do you both reading it?

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Steve November 21, 2010 at 7:02 pm

What about the Hummer? It's a bargain compared to most of these vehicles.

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Glock2291 November 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm

Although an M4/M16 system is more likely to jam, most of those jams can be avoided as long as you take care of it as needed. I am active duty Army, and many of you vets can back me up here, weapon maintenance is key to an M16. Just food for thought. As long as you are trained in how to clean it, reliability isn't a huge problem on an M16.

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John November 22, 2010 at 3:55 pm

What about an adult sized trike for each member of the family? Have a trailer or two to pull if you need it for supplies. Or what about animal power? Consider a dog or two pulling a garden cart or wagon. The Indians got along with a dog and travois.

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survivalcyclist November 25, 2010 at 9:13 am

The name of the article was "The Ultimate Survival Vehicle" and was intended to make people think (and discuss). Most everyone offered useful commentary (except for FTW) and if you read everything you come to this:

Whichever vehicle you can actually afford, which you can completely rely on, and which has enough fuel/cargo capacity to get you where you're trying to go. Each of us has a different idea of what 'disaster' will hit (and therefore cause us to relocate) and that colors our choices for an 'ultimate' vehicle. I suggest a combination of a pickup truck and bicycles.

I've only got to move myself and the wife, but I live in urban Florida. The most likely reason I'd have to evacuate is a Hurricane. Roads will be slow moving and often jammed, fuel will be scarce and places to sleep (motels, etc) will be overflowing with refugees for a thousand miles. Our plan for that is to use our little Mazda pickup truck, loaded with our gear and a pair of bicycles (ATB's). A home made camper shell covers the gear, provides shelter if we need to sleep with the truck, and adds to the overall 'nothing special here' look of the truck. It's dented, old, and painted in two different shades of color – but it's completely mechanically reliable. We'll drive it as far as we can, and if we have to abandon it to keep moving, we will. My wife and I cycle regularly (I commute to work by bicycle) so we're familiar with packing and camping on a bicycle.

The article mentioned Japanese soldiers using bicycle, but it didn't didn't touch on the topic by half – every major combatant in both World Wars used bicycles extensively, and they did it for the same reasons you'd consider using one as a survivalist. Bicycles are reliable, easily maintained, quiet, and greatly extend the distance a man can travel in a day, as well as the amount of gear he can carry.

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MadManDan November 25, 2010 at 11:06 am

No I'm serious, what is the real problem? The most important survival skills that you can learn is adaptability, and I'm afraid that you're posts indicate you're just not ready. If it was this one idea that you disagreed with, that's one thing, but you disagree with every post that's made in every forum that I've seen you in whether the idea is plausible or not. You make up your mind before you understand what a person is saying as demonstrated above.

I'd guess that you're well prepped when it comes to gear, but you really need to focus on the mental preparation, and while this website is great, I don't think it is going to cover that topic.

I wish you the best

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survivalcyclist November 26, 2010 at 2:24 pm

Perhaps when you have something useful to contribute (rather than just trolling), and you learn to use proper spelling, someone might take you as seriously as you take yourself.

Until then, my opinion of you remains as noted previously.

You rambled about raggedy stick shift vehicles that are used by insurgents, and said that adding bench seats made them 'military grade' vehicles. You imply (as you do again, above) that you are somehow smarter than all the rest of us, and you spend at least several sentences of each post tossing insults.

The gentleman's suggestion about hand siphoning fluid with a piece of pipe was not only valid and useful, he pointed out that he had done it – it was not theoretical advice, but practical experience. You dismissed it out of hand, based on your own experience working (years ago?) at a gas station. Obviously, all gas stations are exactly the same as the one you worked at, all over the world, and they haven't changed since your days as a pump jockey, so his advice was utterly useless and wrong…or at least that's how you acted.

Here's a tip for you – before you hit the submit button (or forget to), go back and read each sentence you typed. If it has an insult, or you're just telling someone they are wrong, delete it. Whatever you have left, correct the punctuation, use capital letters at the start of the sentence, and THEN submit it.

You'll likely get a more positive response, or at least you'll be taken more seriously than you are now. Good luck, either way.

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Ward3 November 26, 2010 at 6:35 pm

EMP – will make most computer controlled engine (most modern things) be worthless. I have an 1976 IHC scout II for a toy it eats gas faster than I can breath but it run and can be fixed with tools. My crew cab 4×4 2005 GMC 1500 has several computers than could go and make it worthless.
A pick up with trailer, then atv from the trailer then your feet. This is why having a second location is so important when it comes to bug out. You may have to find other ways to get there with only the clothes on your back.

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Minarchist_1776 November 27, 2010 at 8:42 am

I do not claim to be an expert on EMP and it is possible that this suggestion will not work. Nevertheless, it seems reasonable to me based on what I think I know about this sort of thing. One might be able to get the effect of at least a minimal amount of shielding vs EMP by simply making sure that your vehicle's body is properly connected to electrical ground when you park it. It is even possible that if you are using a block heater, and it takes a three prong electrical plug, that may do the trick. I also strongly suspect that a lot could depend on how close you were to whatever generated the EMP to begin with, as to the best of my knowledge of physics whatever effect is generated is going to end up obeying the inverse square law in terms of how strong it is over how much distance.

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fnfal308 November 28, 2010 at 7:46 pm

I believe I like my BOV better than any listed. Listed are too much cost or too little functionality.

78 Blazer
D60 front
14 bolt full floater rear
nv4500 np205
11×16 Michelins from a 6 wheel military Stryker rated at 4520 lbs each
1 ton springs
4 wheel disc brakes
Cummins 8 valve 4bt – no computer or glowplugs
Dual batteries

SImple. Cheap (relatively), 20mpg loaded and with a 8×5 trailer loaded. Holds 5 people comfortable with room in back to haul in. Has full roof rack front to rear to carry most anything. Two spares. Drivetrain and engine are common and easy to get parts for. Only thing left to get is a PTO WInch.
http://www.chevyblazer.net/images/blazer.JPG

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Josh December 2, 2010 at 1:46 pm

Nice!

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Kerry in Texas November 29, 2010 at 10:50 pm

Very interesting list, which doesn't include canoes or kayaks. As an Indian, my ancestors lived along running water or lakes and used them as their highways. We don't do birchbark canoes now, but a Coleman canoe or a good fiberglass kayak would function well. Come to think of it, many cities and towns today are along rivers, lakes, or ocean coast. You could still use the waterways for your highways while everyone else stayed on the roads. If your BOL were along the same waterway as your home location, you'd be all set. Canoes and kayaks are silent, require no fuel, and depending on size, can carry a lot of gear. Typically you can paddle about as fast as you would walk and carry more than you could in a pack. I prefer a kayak to a canoe because the center of gravity is lower, making it (for me) less tippy. But to each his own, and it was fun reading the list.

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Mike M November 30, 2010 at 3:11 pm

I'd be interested in seeing http://dvice.com/archives/2010/08/bufalino-concep… put into production; it seems an ideal 'survival' vehicle, if survival doesn't entail dodging bombs and machine gun rounds.

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l. Massie December 1, 2010 at 12:49 am

I did a fly in fishing trip into Canad this summer. 10 days of do it yourself.
I found the 2 most useful things I bought were a small handmade hatchet – worked better than an ax for some frequent tasks like kindling, stripping poles and hammering nails and a nifty shovel that folds down into a very small package but built tough enough to stand up to constant use.
What didn't work well was my wiz bang butane blaster/lighter. It blasted rather than lit most everything. Also most of my expensive flashlights came out of the pack either dead or missing. Wound up using a couple of cheapo disposables that worked fine.
Also Dry AS A Bone jackets aren't although plenty tough.
Also, camp swags or bivouacs are too damn small in mosquito country. Kinda like a coffin actually.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to mention that moving blankets are a lot more useful than most any other kind of bedding. Thick and quilted they're very tough and you should consider using one of them instead of a bag in anything other than real cold weather.

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msparks December 1, 2010 at 7:16 am

I can't believe the Horse or Mule was not in the top 10. On land, you can't be a horse to help get you further carrying more stuff. A couple of good horses could carry you and some supplies across the country. 1920: The first U.S. Cavalry Mounted Service Cup race averaged 60 miles/day for five days, carrying up to 245 lb. of rider and gear.

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Chefbear58 December 4, 2010 at 10:49 pm

Good point, although especially for the folks in an urban environment it probably wont be an option because the only folks that would have horses in their area are the police, and they will more than likely be utilizing them (they are GREAT for crowd control!). Another point that needs to be addressed is that if you don't know how to ride -OR- don't have the tack it can be a dangerous proposition to attempt to ride. I can't tell you how many times I have had to stop someone from walking up behind a horse, or how many times I have seen folks kicked when I couldn't get to them in time! Though mules are generally more mild in temperment, there could still be similar issues. Even if you couldn't ride them for whatever reason, they could be great "pack-animals" and companions.

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Chefbear58 December 4, 2010 at 10:26 pm

For me the vehicle of choice is my JEEP Wrangler, although I have to say that Oshkosh looks like it could be pretty fun! In a SHTF situation we have my JEEP pulling a small trailer, a JEEP Liberty loaded with gear and a CHEVY S-10 2wd pick-up that has rear composite traction so it can go just about anywhere the Liberty can. The way we have our "Bug Out Plan" set up
-The S-10 is going to carry 3-55gal. drums of fuel and several "Jerry cans" of water- 2 people- driver and shooter/lookout
-The Liberty is primarily for transport of food/camp gear/medical supplies/firearms- 3 people- driver, shooter/lookout and the baby in the back seat
- The JEEP is used as a scout vehicle we will more than likely have the top down (weather permitting) and one person will drive while in the passenger seat is a shooter/lookout along with one in the back seat (If I had the money for it I would have 'ol MA DEUCE mounted to the roll cage!)
The JEEP would be used to scout and if need be as an assault vehicle, the range of our vehicles without the additional fuel carried by the S-10 is about 400 miles. With the additional fuel we should be able to cover around 1700 miles. Not to bad, but that is of course considering no idle time.

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Chefbear58 December 4, 2010 at 10:37 pm

Good point Kerry!
A jon-boat might be a good idea to, you could paddle or use an electric motor, if you had a solar panel you could recharge the batteries for the motor. They are a lot less "tippy", as you put it, than a canoe and can potentially carry more than the average canoe. you could also use it as a makeshift shelter in a pinch!

I'm with you though, between a canoe or a kayak, I'll take the kayak every time!

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Chefbear58 December 4, 2010 at 10:59 pm

While I can't say that I agree with everything in your post (I love my American made JEEP); I think you bring up a good point. Stick shift is the way to go. One problem that I have seen with the "average citizen" here in the US (after living in Central America for 5 years) is that they don't know how to drive a manual transmission vehicle. You never know when the ability to drive a stick could come in handy. While you probably won't have an easy time of it and will probably burn up some clutch/grind some gears with only having experience driving a standard 4w stick vehicle, you could probably drive a larger vehicle like a Semi or even a tractor if need be.

Something for those folks who don't know how to drive a manual to ponder!

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Chefbear58 December 15, 2010 at 12:57 pm

For the number of people we would have to move, there isn't much better of a plan to come up with utilizing the resources we have. I am looking into acquire a Deuce and a half within the next year, my brother is a diesel mechanic for CAT so he can fix it up, until then the current plan will have to stand!

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LesStroudfan December 15, 2010 at 7:11 pm

personally, i favor either the pick-up truck or the Jeep Wrangler. both vehicles are very reliable and you can haul a lot of survival gear if needed. Plus the price for both is hard to beat; i mean, vehicles like the Unicat are alright and flashing, but in a post-disaster i don't want to be the target of anyone because i look rich or something. however, i also have to make this point: where would you get gas in a disaster situation anyway? better have a bike, just in case.

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LesStroudfan December 15, 2010 at 7:11 pm

personally, i favor either the pick-up truck or the Jeep Wrangler. both vehicles are very reliable and you can haul a lot of survival gear if needed. Plus the price for both is hard to beat; i mean, vehicles like the Unicat are alright and flashing, but in a post-disaster i don't want to be the target of anyone because i look rich or something. however, i also have to make this point: where would you get gas in a disaster situation anyway? better have a bike, just in case.

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Noah the nerd December 24, 2010 at 11:33 am

Where are the snowmobiles?? In a colder environment, they would be great. They're fast, light, and can carry good amounts of gear. Also, they are highly available, cheap (if bought used), and extremely easy to use.

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michael December 25, 2010 at 12:11 pm

2010 F150 Raptor… Loaded with fuel, food, currency, ammo & guns, pulling my Chalet pop up loaded with all the other crap. The suspention enables me to take an established transportation corridor (shh, secret) that most can't and if that don't work, its made specificly for off road, so.. I still have to modify the trailer's suspention to take the abusive terrain the Raptor is built to endure.

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smantzouranis December 29, 2010 at 3:54 pm

I would have to say that a 4×4 Toyota pickup would be my ultimate choice because of availability, reliability and usefullness with a little modification they can go anywhere and you can abuse them and they just keep going. If you get on with a 4 cyl gas milage is managable and you can still haul a fair amount of gear not to mention you can pull a trailer for living or hauling. this is my first post I just have to say I enjoy the site and thanks for the TONS of great info.

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SurvingJerry January 8, 2011 at 1:54 am

Here is another super-silly list of vehicles that you could waste your money on.
http://m.jalopnik.com/360213/the-ten-best-post+apocalyptic-survival-vehicles
really, who can buy these and keep and maintain them?

I have hybrid SUV that could potentially get pretty far in foreseeable stop-n-go traffic jams.

only, I don’t expect to be able to get to it in a SHTF scenario since it’s in a staffed parking garage which I expect to be inaccessible/closed. They also always park me behind several other cars as I use it infrequently.

maybe if it was a relatively slow collapse, I could get it in time and then be stuck on the road with everyone else and abandoned/disabled vehicles.

really, my plan is to go on foot, however unattractive that may seem, and to keep a low profile. Most likely would have to do a majority of it with the masses, which I see as better to be part of the herd than the stray.

the other option I’m considering is a decent inflatable raft, canoe or kayak, possibly with small electric motor and taking to the waterways. But that has several complications and new hazards, too.

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Privateer73 January 16, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Ok first post here and Id like to say great site guys and I finally get to prove to the wife Im not the only one out there who keeps a BOB in the car and at the house. Im working on my GTFO truck at the moment a 1983 Jeep Wagoneer I chose a older model for several reasons. #1 over 15 year models from all chrysler makes used the same basic engine and running gear so parts are easily found or modified to fit. #2 carborated with no ecu or microchips EMP is no worry. #3 Mid size so it fits on most trails and dosent drink fuel ecessively. very roomy inside and it will fit my family of 6. #4 lightly modified for performance freshly rebuilt motor tranny and axles outfitted with trail armour front rear and sides, winch, onboard air, spare parts, tools 30+ gal fuel tank with a extra 15 gal in cans locked to the rear, 2 spares for the mid size AT tires, onboard 10 gal potable water tank and the list goes on. This cost me $1200 for the jeep and another $1500 for parts. All of the labor is done my me and my son including fab work for bumpers racks and mechanical parts. (CONTINUED)

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Privateer73 January 16, 2011 at 12:56 pm

The issue here is you never know whats going to happen so even if you go for the almost no maintenence transport of a horse or other equine what happens if it gets sick from the unclean water it needs or breaks a leg crossing rough terrain there is still a chance something will happen so evaluate your options and needs and have a plan for several senarios dont just rely on one method.

Cheers

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Jerry March 11, 2012 at 12:49 am

Exactly. Decide what you need to do, then procure the tools you need to execute your plan. Don't fantasize about options that are not within your means to acquire. Plan for multiple scenarios, and incorporate redundancy into your packing list. Ex. if event A, travel down route X with truck pulling horse trailer. If truck and trailer cannot complete route, ride horses to final destination. Pack bags that can load onto horses quickly without leaving anything essential behind. But in event B, may need to fly ultralight out of the country ASAP; leave horse and truck behind. And review your plans frequently. Consider scenarios. When you read about a crisis event in the newspaper, ask yourself "how well would my plan have worked". Find ways to test your plans and develop your skills, preferably under the guise of a sporting activity, like adventure racing or a camping trip. Download and read as many US military field manuals on as many subjects as possible, starting with the survival manuals and work through escape and evasion, and then onward deeper into the literature.

And never forget that bugging out is not long-term survival. Separate the two concepts in your mind.

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Chefbear58 January 16, 2011 at 6:23 pm

I remember my dad's old Isuzu Trooper II, that vehicle got us out of some tough spots and on more than one occasion I remember him "snatching" an older JEEP or CUCV out of the sand when we lived at Ft. Story VA. However, as you mentioned Old Scout, when the engine finally gave out he had to have one shipped in from over-seas. In my opinion, that reduces the viability of a foreign made vehicle in a SHTF situation. My first truck, a '65 F100 was great (and I wish I still owned it!) because you could fairly easily rebuild most of the parts with some basic mechanical knowledge and simple tools. I also have to stand by my current vehicle, a JEEP Wrangler, most of the "wear and tear" parts are easy to get to without moving a bunch of stuff out of the way (for example the starter is right under the hood near the driver-side fire-wall). The older ones were admittedly more easy to maintain from this aspect, but they have done pretty good at sticking to the original idea of almost anybody being able to keep one running.

BTW "HELL YEAH BROTHER!!"

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Armageddonist February 6, 2011 at 9:05 am

It's really disconcerting to see the majority of replies here. Everyone assumes that when SHTF happens the urban roadways are going to be open to drive on and they are going to be the first ones on the road and "beat" everyone to it!!!
Come on people! You can't be serious? Look at ANY beltway at 5pm in the afternoon. And that's with people having gas, food and cell service. Take all of that away and you got a road block every 50 yard with people shooting each other just to move 50 yards only to get shot by someone else. So, let's just assume your chances of getting out in time and alive in you 500k crawler fortress are pretty slim… It's just not practical or pragmatic in any way…
U have to have a staging area or gathering point to which u have to get through all the urban mayhem, where your 4×4 is sitting and waiting for you to take you to your SHTF location. So, anything on 2 wheels is your primary choice…
Once you get to your staging area, what do you have there? A super duromax 500 gallon land cruising missle? Ok, everyone without any fuel will see it as a moving tanker and getting it is only a double tap away from a .22 pistol…
I'm getting tired to type, so I'll cut to the chase, my friends:
- forget fuel injection vehicles. The first EMP will fry your electronics, whether the computer, the security system, whatever, it will disable your vehicle unless your battery is disconnected (that's another topic of how to "can" your cache of SHTF gear)
- 4×4 is a must
- stick shift is a must
- less electronics in the car the better
- smaller engine is better than larger. We in America always assume that bigger is better. I've seen a 4 banger isuzu do and tow everything my f150 v8 does. Fuel will become a scarce commodity very fast. That said it will be sought after by both you and others. Draw your own conclusions here.
- diesel will always be better than gasoline. It's easier to produce and most likely will be the only type of fuel left after the SHTF.
- spare parts availability. Things will break down period. Whether in route to your permanent location or otherwise. Research the most common vehicle out there…

To conclude my fellow brethren, THE ultimate get out of dodge vehicle is a pre-90s jeep Wranglers for all listed criteria. The pre-packed evac trailer is a must from a practical stand point as well. Others on the list will be f150s, chevy trucks, toyota 4runners and tacomas, etc. Evrything that can be used as a "technical". Just look at Africa, cause when SHTF happens, we gonna have what they have there now. Warlords, pirates, scarcity, maraudering, etc… Be prepared, be tactical, less is more. Survival is the only option.

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James Felix February 11, 2011 at 1:51 pm

I think another advantage to an SUV, especially in an urban/suburban area, is that it doesn’t tip your hand. They’re so common among people who never give a second’s thought to preparation that the vehicle doesn’t stand out and say “food and medical supplies here!” to everyone who sees it.

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T.Rapier February 12, 2011 at 7:23 pm

Very cool article ,
but if you can afford to buy a 400 – 600 k vehicle , you can afford to live in a more stable country or helicopter to your already built destination . For most of us , it will be a pick up truck , jeep or SUV and on foot after we run out of fuel or forced to abandon the vehicle :(

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T.Rapier February 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm

All very interesting comments from all . Who will be correct ? Who knows ? at least we are all thinking and have some sort of plan and hope we never have to find out . My plan does involve using my pickup . My basic plan in a nut shell is to get to my BOL and wait it out for as long as is practical and find out where the areas of the country are , that are secure . Im going with the odds here on this .

I dont believe in TEOTWAWKI . Why ?

#1. No I dont have optimism of the good of my fellow man . BUT I do believe that the US government will do whatever it takes to stay in power . That means crushing rebellions and securing areas from chaos . with that said we go on to number 2

#2. if the US were to become THAT unstable , think about it a min folks . You have a major militarily technological nation with NUCLEAR WEAPONS that is unstable , with a heavily armed population . It is in the worlds BEST INTEREST to STABILIZE it . Another poster mentioned Somalia , do you really think that the rest of the world could afford to have a US sized Somalia with nuclear weapons , or would tolerate that ? Think of when the U.S.S.R collapsed . The first priority was to get it a stable government asap ! to secure those warheads , politics are secondary at that point . You can bet a lot of behind the scenes things worldwide happened to re-stabilize Russia ( it happened rather quickly as well ). Foreign troops requested by our own government to do just that is not that far fetched if it got THAT bad . I may be naive , but this to me is extremely unlikely and almost not worth effort to spend time planning for . Groups of states seceding the union are more likely to me than this happening .

#3 . Complete financial collapse ….. ok , well now we all have to live like we did in the 1800′s , not fun but so what ? Law and order would continue after the initial panic enforced by the US soldier if necessary . Again … uncle sam still wants to stay in power . Not unlikely to me .

#4 . Catastrophic natural disaster or nuclear war .

Need I say a whole lot about this ? Nobody will survive long term because of the chain reactions on many levels caused by either ( except if your a cockroach , then you will make it through both )

#5. Regional disaster or instability . Depending on where you live , very likely . This is what most of us have the money to and are planning for . That has the greatest odds of happening . I could be totally wrong , but still ….. Ill go with the odds and #5 for personal planning .

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TED March 6, 2011 at 12:17 pm

YES, T you have more chance than others because you have more friends that are ready to help you and you live in the most prepaired state. TED.

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Guest March 3, 2012 at 9:46 pm

I agree that, realistically speaking, most peeps will just bug out to their living room. Even those who bug out to the boonies will return for numerous reasons. Martial law in most of the US will just evolve into civil war. Most of America is NOT like New Orleans. Barring a nuclear attack or Yellowstone popping what will happen is civil unrest due to an economic collapse. In this case, the streets will bleed. The only situation that I can think of for us to leave our home is a plague, whether natural or man-made. We will leave our home and head for the wilderness, some way or somehow. We have a truck/camper rig and we have motorcycles including a Ural. But I think I'll prolly die of old age before having to actually "bug out".

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Kman February 18, 2011 at 8:22 pm

I would bug out to my cabin in the laguna madre in my power boat. loaded with all my shit and wait it out at the cabin…

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Katrina February 23, 2011 at 11:05 pm

Recalling the photos of long lines of cars trying to get out of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, I wouldn't spend money on a gas powered vehicle any larger than a motorcycle with a side car or small trailer attached, if need be. Barring that, an all terrain bicycle or even an adult tricycle because sooner or later, refined fuel would likely be either unobtainable or literally cost an arm & a leg. I don't want to have to go looking for a mechanic either. The fewer moving parts something mechanical has, the longer its potential life span.

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beasley1 February 27, 2011 at 11:36 am

The sailboat idea is actually really good for many reasons. Where I live, there are a few islands offshore that are at least 25 miles away. If you know how to safely purify saltwater then, you have an endless supply of water. Also an extremely convenient way to gather food, fishing. The way that I see it, there are two practical ways of doing this. Obviously with a rod and then there's my way, with a spear gun or pole spear. As far as vegetation goes, seaweed and sea lettuce are edible. You can never run out of food or water so you have both of those covered. I would mostly live on one of those several islands so I would have the best of both worlds.

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DocReason13 February 27, 2011 at 9:16 pm

k… for the anti-vehicle heckler, how about this? being in top physical condition will be a moot point if youre trying to walk out of a militarized zone with no protection, mobility, or storage capacity. youre going to die even if youre an olympic athlete. true, fuel will be a problem with any vehicle except horses- slow, high maitenace and kinda stupid- or sailboats, which are the best idea but just not feasable for everybody, but as long as you plan ahead not insurmountable. diesal engines will run off animal fat, gas engines on ethanol, both of which can be obtained and refined with low tech, albeit time consuming and effort intensive, means. the key i think is avoiding newer, computer-dependant vehicles (which are also more susceptable to EMPs) and a basic knowledge of whatever youre driving. old 4x4s, school buses, and atvs are the best bet, and keep electrical system spare compnents on hand in shielded containers. the best way to survive a SHTF event is to plan, prepare, and keep the goal of survival as priority one. the rest is just gravy.

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Dave February 28, 2011 at 1:29 am

I live in Los Angeles and I'm guessing that my scenario for when the SHTF will involve a large earthquake. When this happens the highways will probably be trashed,(not to mention that this is where most of the people making a move will be), I think this would rule out any kind of car or truck. My plan is to buy a small plot of land in the desert maybe 150 to 200 miles out of town,(should be cheap) and hide a cache of supplies on it. Then get a couple of Ultralights for my wife and I and when the time comes take a little flight out into the desert. Until I can afford to do this I'm planning on staying put, so I've been putting my efforts in to stocking-up my place for now. Fortunately, my place is on the edge of town so we could hike into the hills within an hour if need be.

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survival kid March 1, 2011 at 7:54 pm

the argo would be the best of all

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alex March 2, 2011 at 9:00 pm

i remember watching a ww2 documentary and it was about the LRDG (long range desert group) and they were british forces involved in North Africa and were tasked with raids on german airfields and intelligence gathering on german movements. They used chevrolet trucks and were packed with machine guns and had gas cans everywhere, (btw they also helped spawn the sas, but thats a different story). They were relatively easy to maintain due to their simplicity and with all the extra fuel that was strapped on they had effective ranges of many hundreds of miles and were totally self sufficient, and actually their raids destroyed more german aircraft than the RAF in North Africa.

My point is that something similar to this i personally think would be very good in getting out of the city to a bug out location with relative ease and perhaps something similar (lol maybe without the lewis mgs!) could be a viable option, such as a pick up truck which could be improved with better offroad performance or something,
just my thought, after all it worked in the past, cheers
(here's some pics) http://www.lrdg.org/images/Historical6.jpg http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/lrdg/LRDG_images/30…

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Ben228 April 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Why delete the Lewis gun? Good MZB tool (LOL). Seriously, agreement here.

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Kevin Cease March 23, 2011 at 1:58 am

I was thinking Miata but these are good too.

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Regulator5 March 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm

For those wanting to know how to pump fuel without power; there are several manual crank powered pumps available on the market designed for use with fuel, oil, etc. Check your local farm stores, mechanical stores, etc. I prefer a rotary pump that will pump in both directions, depending on which way you are cranking it.
One thing I didn't notice, has anyone checked their vehicles fuel mileage with it being fully loaded? I know most gas powered engines lose much of their fuel economy under load, so if you are pulling a trailer loaded with alot of supplies/gear, it will greatly reduce your distance. Diesel isn't normally as effected by loads due to their torque, but a diesel powered vehicle is normally alot heavier and can be more prone to sinking in soft terrain.

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@JBVfromFK April 14, 2011 at 4:10 pm

according to the US Dept Energy website, you lose 1 to 2% mileage per 100lbs of extra weight. (Granted, that is an average based on light cars as well as trucks. Light cars will suffer more on mileage than trucks, but trucks will have lower MPG to start with.) Considering that my ATV weighs over 500lbs, throwing that in the truck along with water, fuel, myself, gear, and the dog will cost me at least 10% from the rated fuel economy. Add on heavy driving (speed limits are out, I'm driving across fields, the MZBs are plastered across my radiator) and the MPG will be way way lower than if I were driving on pavement, at posted speeds, with my dog and a backpack. Point being that I agree with Regulator: you should test/familiarize yourself with the BOV, with a full load (or a mockup of a full load) just the same as you would with your weapon, your stove, your boots, your shelter, etc.
Example: My wrangler was rated at 17-20 on the dealer spec, but fully loaded with gear for extended wheeling/camping trips I averaged around 11mpg. An extra ten gallons in J-cans was a must.

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KYMonkey March 29, 2011 at 7:58 am

Although I'd love to own a $70,000+ monster survival vehicle, the reality is that I can't afford owning a car that I don't use on a regular basis. So I drive a Subaru Forester (and have owned an Outback). Both are AWD, have considerable clearance and, though I couldn't go "bouldering" in one, I've never gotten stuck in either mud or snow (even in deep mud that had trucks and other SUV's spinning helplessly). It's not sexy or terribly aggressive looking, but I drive it everyday and there's no where in my bug out plan that I can't take it with confidence.

As an added bonus, I have to say that driving a "soccer mom" car has gotten me a pass many times by police officers on the hunt. I actually passed a speeding Mustang and looked in my rear view to see the Mustang getting pulled over. This same unassuming appearance might help in a survival situation, as scavengers would either see me as useless or an easy target…despite the fact that within my conservation sticker-ridden car would be an 870, an AP4 and several pistols.

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bob July 26, 2011 at 5:27 am

Simple colors like white and grey also dont get much notice. Good point!

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KYMonkey March 29, 2011 at 9:09 am

I agree that older Japanese vehicles really did run forever ('85 Accord is a prime example) and I have a buddy who owned one of the last models of Tacomas made completely in Japan…ran like a top well over 150,000 miles…until it didn't. A small part broke and had to be ordered from Japan. Cost almost more than the truck's bluebook. While I still think that Japanese imports are going to last longer than American made cars, the availability of parts is going to be the main issue if you're going to be roaming the earth, fighting mohawked bikers with crossbows on their wrists. If you go out west where snow-capable vehicles are a must, you'll see Subarus and '80's Ford and Chevy trucks with spread out engines that are easy to work on. I'll keep my Japanese ride because I'm only counting on it for the short term.

This same attitude can be applied to the AR-15/M-16 and its variants. While the AR got some bad press, much of it is undeserved. I say this from the perspective of someone who believed said bad press and did a lot of research (and shooting) until I realized that AR lovers weren't a bunch of jingoistic, "made in America" zealots. And while the AK-47 is widely used, it's not by any army that has a budget and a choice. The AR platform is simple to disassemble, has plenty of parts and once you find/put together a good one that shoots the ammo you want to shoot, then all you have to do is buy a couple spare parts and you're set.

Aside from the AK-47, what other models are viable in your opinion? The HK91 is a battle rifle and pretty unruly for getting around or shooting from your car. All other HK assault rifles and PDWs are expensive as hell (Hey, I'd take an MP5 any day if it were a gift…or about $4000 less. Uses 9mm rounds, same as two of my pistols and is concealable…great choice!). Ultimately, we can only prepare for so many situations. If the SHTF scenario does arise for any of us, the thought will cross our minds more than once, "Damn…why didn't I think of THAT!"

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Feet on Ground May 29, 2011 at 11:26 am

"And while the AK-47 is widely used, it's not by any army that has a budget and a choice."

Haha! Great quote!

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Chefbear58 March 29, 2011 at 1:46 pm

I haven't had any problems with my Wrangler JK, but I only have 43k miles on it. I have heard of some problems with the newer models, but from what I understand most of them can be chalked up to failure to perform routine maintenance. The most common that I know of is lubrication of the 4wd system.

However I do still prefer the old CJ's, if you can find one that was properly cared for it's worth it's weight in gold!

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Ben228 April 4, 2011 at 1:49 pm

BOV = 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 crew cab w/ shell. 6.0 l with tow package and Quadrasteer (steerable back axle). Not EMP safe but realistically not in my top 10 worries. Also have 22' traval trailer that is stocked for a week as a normal SOP.

Just starting out in prepping. Looking to upgrade food stocks (quanity and deversity), weapons (need good long gun/s and shotgun/s) and water purifcation (got zero other than boiling the c**p out of it).

I know that fully loaded my milage takes a 50% hit (12mpg to 6-6.5 mpg). I don't know the off road penalty is nor do I know what it would be when I go off road with trailer. Can't think it would go up though.

Ben228

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Brane April 11, 2011 at 8:28 pm

Chevy/geo tracker.. good gas mileage, four wheel drive, enough room for my glock, fishing pole, some canned food,some extra clothes. A good choice if you travel light and less likely to be stolen than a jeep. The major downside is the backseats are made for legless midgets.

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Plan Man May 7, 2011 at 11:58 pm

I have a 1990 Geo tracker and I love it! If I am ready to bail, I can fold the back seat down and stuff many days of food, water and other goodies into it. 4×4, decent mileage and I can sleep in the seat leaned back if absolutely necessary as I have done hunting on a few occasions. I will use it for my get as far as I can vehicle and have at least a week until I need to grab my tactical pack and hoof it into the mountains where I know there is food and water. My son will also be able to fit in one way or another. Best bug out vehicle ever made! If the little bugger can't drive any further, it's grab my pack and I'm good in the wilderness for several weeks if need be until I reach my desired safe haven.

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@JBVfromFK April 14, 2011 at 4:26 pm

Something to think about: Let us consider that the BOV is used to take you to your BOL when SHTF.
1) A horse/goat/mule can be used for farming, maybe milk, hunting if you have the skills, carrying loads.
2) A bicycle's mechanics can be used in many ways: to charge batteries, to spin a washing machine, to run a water pump, to provide mechanical advantage in any number of situations.
3) Cars and trucks have a generous supply of "material" that could be salvaged once the fuel runs out (if you haven't yet learned to make biofuel :P ) such as wire, glass, and sheet metal. The larger vehicles listed above will also be able to double as enclosed livable spaces- imagine how much shorter Christopher McCandless' journey would have been had he not found "the Bus".

On another note, I love the idea of a boat, I don't fare well on small craft. If only I could find a used aircraft carrier..!

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Robert May 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm

I have to go with he basics. The well-prepped Touring Bicycle, with a trailer…not as fast as a vehicle, but a superb off-the -main road vehicle. It also serves as an on-going fitness program.
Just my 2 cents.
Robert in California

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survivalexpert May 23, 2011 at 6:18 pm

I would go with the jeep wrangler or the knight xv but the the jeep dosent have alot of storage like the knight xv but the knight is bullet proof and it is pricey

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collectandcalm June 4, 2011 at 4:25 pm

Have you guys checked out the Kawasaki KLR 650? They can have a side car mounted amongst other things like side boxes and other storage. The marines use this bike. There are many other aftermarket engine mods and suspension upgrades and options.

Then there is the Mercedes Sprinter that can have a 4×4 upgrade installed by Sportsmobile and I’m sure Quigley isn’t far behind if they aren’t doing the conversion already. There is a camper package that leaves storage space in the back for 3 full-size motorcycles.

Then there’s the Jeep version of the Earth Roamer that can go anywhere and has a tent style package where the tent unfolds.

I drive a 2007 Honda Fit and it has already been amazing for my urban survival. I would like to raise it up for light duty off-roading so I can rally on dirt roads or go completely off road. I would also like to give it a darker paint job for stealthy missions.

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AICen June 25, 2011 at 10:42 pm

A horse will sense danger before you will, all it requires is grass or some kind of vegetation and water. They're fast, they can go anywhere (even swim across a river), and you won't go crazy from loneliness.

If I couldn't have a horse I'd get a mountain bike.

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skarch July 5, 2011 at 3:31 pm

Nobody mentioned the Unimog? Its the vehicle that has kept Europe in fighting trim for 5 decades, and more maneuverable than the deuce and a half, while carrying nearly the same payload.

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Ben228 March 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm

The Unimogs I’ve seen were priced out around 50k used and upwards of 105k new.
That being said way cool! They have, with no mods, 5′ of fording height! I saw the crew cab version, very nice.

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Sherry August 12, 2011 at 12:09 am

As I read all the comments, it reminded me of all the war games we use to play as kids. No matter what we came up with there was always a hitch to it. But I know of a surefire,free for the taking, guaranteed, way for you, your family and friends. Very simple, but I know you guys will only balk at it if I told you. Too bad, because it is so simple. Are you ready for this? Go get your Bible guys and start reading it as fast and as soon as you can because time is running out for you and your family and friends. What you are witnessing is Satan's plan.He is the king of this world. God has told you the story in the beginning and how he will conquer him and save you.He has told us not to worry about these things. He has a plan for you and it is called eternal life.

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John_ALmoderate December 8, 2011 at 8:59 am

Sherry, God has given you the power of thought and the ability of action. If you choose to refuse your right to either you get what you deserve. If your faith is that strong then your example means that even bothering to feed yourself is a waste of time since the sooner you get to heaven the better off you wil be. If you prepare AND maintain whatever faith you happen to choose, then you are a step ahead of the rest.
Sorry if this offends anyone but the head in the sand method of survival frustrates me terribly. In Alabama we lost power and much more for a long time due to the tornadoes. It wasnt a TEOTWAWKI situation but many folks were flat out not prepared for a short term situation and that did affect the area. We got lucky and there was no long term problems, this time.

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Survivorguy August 19, 2011 at 2:53 pm

Why not a snowmobile.

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Survivorguy August 21, 2011 at 9:58 am

I like them, they can be converted to be used on just about any terrain.

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smartone August 30, 2011 at 8:00 pm

You idiots are all missing the best thing for the ultimate BOV, I'm using skateboards, lightweight strong , not needing a bunch of extra tires and other crap,maybe carry one screwdriver and some extra screws, hook them all together five or six of em with paracord, and bungees, I would have each family member pull his or hers this way and if you come to a road block or downed tree , just pick them up and move them. a very smart way of solving the problem and very very affordable, just strap those Mre's and water etc to a couple a dozen of these bought at yard sales, and dont forget your sneakers, Suckers, just listen to your selfs, $450k BOV's give me a freakin break. Just go and get your self a Late 70's bronco or blazer and some extra parts in a bob, Bug out Box, you people will burn your self out thinking of how to build a VW van with hot tubs and water falls and the world will have ended by then.. Get real and quite armchair surviving..god Bless.. RONPAUL2012.com

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John_ALmoderate December 8, 2011 at 9:08 am

Most of us "idiots" are not 15 years old anymore and skateboards would only mean broken bones. NOW as a wagon method it would be viable until you had to abandon paved surfaces. And the "suckers" are just tossing around real world and dream senarios, this is what a discussion is friend. I am glad you have a plan. I have considered the folding hunting carts since pavement is not the safest place to be when SHTF. At least you have taken the thought and action part to heart even if your delivery method is rather weak and insulting. Peace.

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ROLLO September 7, 2011 at 7:12 am

my bug out vehicle is a mb38a1 jeep suspension has been reworked to accept 3/4 ton payload lightweight with 900-16 foam filled tires no flats here…4 cyl engine goes just about anywhere I want to snorkel system for deep water screend tent snaps to side of the jeep for shelter power inverters,neat little hiding places fortools and equipment. I have a big dodge with a rack on the back to carry the jeep.. take the big truck as far as you can go, unload the jeep and start over.

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TexPrep September 7, 2011 at 10:13 pm

My two cents: I am going to say that you have a Bug out location already picked out, with supplies already there. Giving that, then any well maintained vehicle will get the job done. The key is to know WHEN to Bug Out. Waiting until the power has gone out or rioting in the street starts might be too late. Pay attention to what is happening in the world, watch CNN/Fox daily, keep up with daily events so that you can make your plans well before TSHTF. Of course taking the Earth Roamer to work everyday would be cool but keeping the old Ford and spending the Earth Roamer money on a better, nicer home in the country might be the best ideal.

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Survivalguy September 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm

Why not a us military jeep old style they are pretty much indestructible …… Well they could be blown up

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squiddy1 October 13, 2011 at 8:34 am

A purple 1975 Dodge Dart , People will be laughing so much they wont be able to do anything, Not to mention WHO would steal it, If anything they may feel sorry for you and toss some supplies or a few bucks thru that open window that cant be rolled up, Or hang some food on that coat hanger that you are using for an antena, And the greatest thing of all ? An EMP would not stand a chance of hurting that purple pile of crap.

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John_ALmoderate December 8, 2011 at 9:12 am

Al Bundy is soooooo proud of you right now. If only Ms. Applegate came with the ride. Now that would be a BOV package.

: )

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Cage October 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm

How about the Rokon Motorcycle? I own one, it's a billy goat. Can pull 3k lbs.

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NJ Honey Badger October 29, 2011 at 2:07 pm

Just about anywhere you go, someone will be there. I pick the sailboat. Marina's will be filled with big ones you can borrow. LOL

If digging in doesn't work, I'm sailing off.

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Chris November 1, 2011 at 1:34 pm

A convoy of sailboats would be a good option because everyone could carry extra needed supplies and be able to assist the others in need.

However, I would be VERY hesitant to "hire" pirates to escort you because if you need the pirates to get you somewhere what is to keep them from just taking everything you have in the first place? They ARE pirates after all….

Also go back and check some historical situations because as a history major i remember what happened to Spartacus when he tried to utilize pirates to escape danger in Rome….it didnt turn out well for him…

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Matthew Stoner November 14, 2011 at 1:15 pm

If your looking for an excape,look to "Earth Cruiser" from our friends Down under..when they camp they do it right.Earth Cruser is now in North America,they have taken it to the next level.
Matt..:}

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danial November 15, 2011 at 3:57 am

hahahahha at first i saw "the human body" i was like hey did they forget to put a mountain bike????? definitely better and around 5 times faster than walking. then i saw it haha. i think it will need an edit. maybe to make a rating system. then put the best rated one at the top and the least rated one at the bottom. at least people can estimate what they really need instead of weighing their options the hard way. hope my 2 cents is considered constructive…

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guest November 18, 2011 at 7:41 pm

We live in a culture where ppl. think 'if you have something better than i'll steal it and if i can't steal it ..i will make it so you can't use it either. I know a guy who during a storm when all electricity was down..used his generater. His nighbors became jealous and one night shot it to kingdom come. The thing was usless afterward's.

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John_ALmoderate December 8, 2011 at 9:33 am

I have an old beater 85 Ford Pup ($800.00). It runs and the way it looks would be laughed outta a trailer park most days of the week. I have mountain bikes for when the road is not passible and have adapted a 2 wheeled hunting cart to connect as a foldable trailer on my bike. If I have to ditch the bikes due to terrain, the hunting carts are quite capable and balanced and will hold around 150 lbs of gear-meat-firewood-water-fuel containers. Once at my destination and if I managed to avoid loosing my truck , bikes and gear, I have several resources. I would hate to try and carry a deer or other source of meat by hand or on my bike. Firewood is even worse. The cart is just to versitile to pass by. I thought about a utility wagon but they weigh alot compaired to a 28 lb hunting cart and are not designed to go through the woods and make a ton of noise. My best suggestion is to use what you have on hand and make the best of it.

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Randy Scott December 11, 2011 at 9:24 am

I see a lot of crap about bugging out and vehicle range. WHERE ARE YOU GOING??? To grandma's house for dinner; she may not have enough food for herself. Most important thing is to have a destination, preferrably one with food reserved just for you. Or do you think that the farmer along the highway will invite you in to drain his farm fuel and have dinner with him? A farmer will either shoot you on site or already be dead and robbed. You need a destination ready for you arrival.

Get a vehicle that can tow a trailer and then get a small trailer. Extra fuel if needed and extra water goes in a trailer first; then extra whatever.. Fuel goes in 5 gallon cans and the vehicle is refueled when 3/4 of the tank is still full. Don't have all your water in the trailer just the extra. Plastic garbage cans with trash bag liners(tied) holds a lot of water.

I like trucks or SUVs. If you are fleeing a large urban area you need a grill guard, re-inforced front bumper and disconnected airbags in case you have to ram through a roadblock. How about putting a quarter inch plate of steel in front of the radiator connected to that grill guard?

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Bob PIckard December 28, 2011 at 10:39 am

Assuming you have a predetermined bugout location, the method for getting there is secondary to getting there. Be flexible. Be ready to change vehicles and equipment as needed to keep moving. What will you do when you get there and find squatters have taken up residence at your cabin or found your cache? Are you willing to kill to survive? Perhaps that's a subject for another debate. I have a Willy's jeep and 2 four wheel drives and 5 ATVs. Whatever I'm driving is my bugout vehicle.

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MethanP January 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm

I think you missed an event that might require "bugout". Especially in urban areas. FIRE. There may be no fire department or water pressure. Considering traffic conditions in normal conditions and all the road rare I see on a daily basis, I think bugout should be a last option. Better neighbors you know than strangers you don't. Further, you have all your stuff at home.

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Tishers January 3, 2012 at 12:31 pm

If I had to just bug out an old 404 Unimog would be just fine. You can get one for less than $5K, it does not have an electronic fuel injection or engine control system to burn out due to EMP. You can get them in diesel or gas, they can work in heavy snow, across farmland (original purpose) and you can find them either with a box on the back, side dump, plow or winch. It does not have a super powered engine, is not going to do 70 miles/ hour but it has true four wheel (six wheel) independent suspension on all corners and is a 4 or 6 wheel drive vehicle.

At the end of WWII Germany was banned from making military vehicles. Much of the production was converted over by Mercedes Benz to agricultural vehicles (Unimog). The thing is ugly, heavy duty, can be repaired with a sledge hammer and the driver sits up nice and high. Some models even came with a turret hatch on the roof.

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David January 31, 2012 at 5:04 pm

i have driven the Oshkosk TPV in the military version (MATV) and it is awsome if at all possible when i venture out after SHTF i will go on post and get one.

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Scott February 18, 2012 at 11:27 am

I feel the Human Body is our greatest vehicle for getting out of dodge if needed. It can be bad news if it's not kept up it can be just as useless as any other though.

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Joe February 22, 2012 at 8:32 pm

some interesting choices above and a lot of stuff that i would love to have in my backyard or on camping trips etc. but one thing I havent heard anyone else talk about is a tanker… in an ideal situation i would want to have my own vehicle, but in a SHTF sitch i would take whatever i could find..
probably start at truck stops. trying to find a diesel tanker that was decently full. with a tanker full of fuel i would have enough to get just about anywhere within reason. also tanker trucks are designed to go through whatever is in the way because if they are carrying gas/explosive liquid swerving is to risky to be an option. i think cars n shit blocking roads are likely to be a bigger problem than incoming rounds. also with a truck that big there is plenty of room for a mounted machine gun or even a nest from which to shoot shit with a shotgun or assault rifle. anyways… i know this isnt very prettily worded. my apologies, i just got off a long day selling home improvement crap. aight. peace

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knightindullarmor March 2, 2012 at 12:05 am

2nd the deuce and a half (surplus military M35).

police roadblocks might be the biggest threat by attempting to keep us poor helpless idiotic civillians stuck in our homes until the almighty government can either figure out a way to save us or let us starve to death and/or kill each other off. if SHTF, i kinda doubt local LE will even mess with what appears to be a mil unit (throw on some surplus BDU or ACUs). and bandits too. not worth the risk to take on armed folks in a huge military truck. they will focus on the stationwagon and suv crowd first.

at under $5k in running condition for a vehicle as capable as those $100,000+ unimogs, its the best bang for the buck.

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Jason March 3, 2012 at 9:58 pm

We have a truck/camper and motorcycles including a Ural. But I have no intention on going anywhere unless there is a plague, manmade or natural. I will just lock the doors, board up the windows and use pedal power for the tv, watching Resident Evil videos. We have enough food for two for about six months including our dogs. Most likely have to venture out to scavenge some water. We are well armed. I really like the Ural for getting out of Dodge in a bad case situation as it packs a lot of gear, has good off-road capability, easy on gas and reliable. May pick up another for the wife. There is no perfect situation for all situations. Versatility and flexibility, with some prepping added for flavor is the best way to go.

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Jerry March 10, 2012 at 11:02 pm

If you want neighbors like that, move into a Mormon neighborhood. I'm not Mormon but I'm glad I know and maintain good relations with the Mormons in my area. When the SHTF the Mormons will probably be the first to reorganize, if FEMA doesn't round everybody up first.

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Jerry March 11, 2012 at 12:27 am

Also reminds me of the images of European refugees fleeing from the front lines of WWII. I doubt they "planned" it, but there are many scenes of civilians pushing bikes loaded down with the last of their essential possessions. But if one could plan in advance, knowing the electrical grid would be down and gas stations would be sold out, a well-built rickshaw might be the next best thing. Could theoretically be hitched to a horse or other pack animal if available, but could also be loaded with gear or infirm loved-ones (children, pregnant, elderly, sick) to make the trip by pure manpower. And such a rig could still be useful for daily hauling chores at the BOL. Would be essential equipment for rebuilding a post-industrial society. Still common today in the third world.

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paul cox March 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm

what about the cheap find anywhere geo tracker or suzuki samari? 4cyl 5spd. cheap parts great gas milage and with a reese hitch rack you can put 8 gerry cans of fuel on and tent and cary 3 passengers. soft top for easy stow and go. Geo tracker gets about 32 miles to the gallon on 31×10.50×15 tires and goes anywhere light weight and small like an atv but with a heater; if shtf in the winter.

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Road Scribe March 29, 2012 at 10:21 am

As a full time RV'er my rig is my home and office on wheels.
I have 5'er aka a 5th wheel with great storage space and can use solar or wind to charge my batteries and a fairly good sized fresh water tank with a pump that can be filled with water via my filter system. There are plenty of places you can work camp for your site and hook ups until you find the next place to chock your wheels. If your pockets aren't deep, then chat with some RV'ers to know what to look for and not get taken with a poorly constructed rig. I bought mine in a dealer's bankrupsey consignment sale to have a place to live while shucking my over priced mortgage. Now that the house is sold I have kept this rig and done my own mods on it to convert it into a 4-season, full time livable home-office.

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fourthrowe April 6, 2012 at 7:53 am

I'm tending to lead toward a combination of whatever vehicle you currently own, plus one of these: http://dixonrollerpack.com/3327.html . It is a monowheel travois that converts to an external frame backpack, $295USD. You take your car as far as you can, ditch it, then hoof it the rest of the way with this. It will make carrying up to 100lbs much easier, and can be used by small framed people. I'm thinking of getting one of these as my wife's BOB because she will be carrying the baby, and two people's worth of bug out gear if she has to bug out while I'm deployed. And it costs a lot less and is easier to store than an APC.

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NYPD1699 April 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm

'Hi all, one type of vehicle i haven't seen mentioned was a quadracycle. There's a few very good American made manufactures out there and they are very stable and can be equipped with a small gas/solar motor and are geared to traverse mountainous hills with little effort as well as can tow up to as much as half a ton. Very little maintenance is needed and carrying extra tubes and spare parts is both light weight and compact. Plus these can transport up to four people or more people as well. They were used during WW2 by many in the european theater against the nazis when getting fuel was difficult and also run very quietly so as not to alert everyone to your position. Check out Rhoades cars for an all American product. Even all they're parts are American made. And for those who think you cant go off road check out Animas quadracycle on you tube made by Greg Fisher. The thing is a human powered jeep and is quite rugged and nimble.There are options out there other then gas powerded cars and trucks.

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chief42141 April 22, 2012 at 1:52 pm

i love this article but you guys left out another great option ( the RV ). it has great storage and living space, a kitchen towing capability and lets not forget it has a freaking bathroom so you wont have to stop an take a leake in a possible ambush spot. on the down side it drinks fuel like a frat boy, hard to maintain mechanically ( unless you know what your doing) and it makes you a VERY BIG TARGET and last but not least its not very manuverable do to its large size.

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KEVIN MOST May 4, 2012 at 1:31 am

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS BUT I'M LOADING UP MY 33FOOT MOTORHOME ALREADY FILLED WITH 80 GALLONS OF GAS AND NOT STOPPING TILL I GET TO MY SAFE ZONE.

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steve johnson May 14, 2012 at 11:35 pm

I see you did not mention the Rokon Trailbreaker along with the other personal ATV's? It would be great as an backup vehical, If you ever have to abandon your main vehical. And there is really no place it can't go, even where other ATV's have problems. It wieghs around 208lbs, 2×2 and will run 9 hours on three gallons.
http://www.rokon.com/index.php?p=1_4_Trail-Breake…

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Scott May 19, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Toyota FJ 40 Land Cruiser. How did this not make the list over a Jeep. These rigs have survived the roughest of terrains. They are small agile and easy to repair. The Land Cruiser is one of the few rigs in the world to cross the south pole. A Jeep will long break down before a crusier.

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TexasMinuteman June 2, 2012 at 6:43 pm

My Bug Out Vehcicle is a 1979 short wheelbase school bus w/ a Chevy 350 engine set up for dual fuel (gasoline and propane). I have dual 25 gallon gas tanks and dual 100 gallon propane tanks. The advantage of propane is that it can be stored for years and not go bad and I have four 1,000 gallon tanks of propane burried at my Bug Out Location. I have a range of 1,500 miles plus and can carry 12 – 20 people plus gobs of supplies. Because all panels are essentially flat, the bus was very easy to armour and frame is extremely heavy and strong such that a heavy duty v-shaped front bumper/ram provides a great device for "parting the waters" or other obstructions. Equipped with CB radio, short wave radio, police scanner, gps, etc., all mounted in EMP proff faraday cages with quick connect cables. Many other enhancements for self protection. Currently looking at adding 4-wheel drive conversion.

I'm also in the process of converting a 1969 Dodge Ram Power Wagon to dual fuel for short trips after i get to the bug out location.

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Texas Minuteman June 2, 2012 at 6:43 pm

At the bug out location I have two electric golf carts converted for offroad use. Both are set up with solar panels and charger on the roof and can go 50 miles on one charge. I like these much better than ATVs as they are very quite (stealth) and require minimal maintenance (keeping batteries full of distilled water) Both have 4'x6' trailers for added capacity.

I also like the idea of an ultralite for aerial reconnaissance but that will have to wait for a while.

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Monty June 4, 2012 at 8:16 pm

With the Unicat I could travel from my house to Montana without refueling sounds awesome

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KansasScout June 18, 2012 at 6:22 am

I think when it comes down to it, your best BoV or Bug out Vehicle will be the one you can afford and offers you the best options for your needs.

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Michael June 20, 2012 at 12:31 pm

I always find it interesting to read ideas on BOVs. Personally, I think some forget the idea of a BOV. By definition, it is a 'bug-out-vehicle'. It's the vehicle you get into in order to escape from whatever is happening WTSHTF. It's not meant to be your permanent residence after everything happens. You use it to get from Point A (your current location) to get to Point B (your intended destination). It should be stocked with the fuel, food and additional supplies you will need to get to Point B and survive until Point B is ready for residence (and B really should be ready for your arrival with more supplies before you even get there).

I feel that your BOV should in no way be your future vehicle. By that I mean that once you reach Point B, you should have everything you need to survive. If you don't, then you might have to find some locations to get additional supplies from. For this purpose you would not be using your BOV. You would be using a light to medium weight fast attack vehicle (by attack I mean 'get in and out of a location') where you can throw supplies in the back and haul butt out. It should be able to take being hit by light fire and possibly another vehicle that rams yours. You want something fast and strong. Mileage is important because you might be rationing fuel, but you wouldn't be using your secondary vehicle for constant use, just the fast attack.

I personally would want my BOV to stay put once I'm at Point B. You never know if you might need to bug out from Point B and I'd rather keep it hidden just in case.

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Bobby August 14, 2012 at 5:53 am

It's best to leave your family at home or you'll all be dead. Everyone and their brother will jump on the back of the trailer and truck. And you have no protection from gunfire.

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nathan September 2, 2012 at 7:20 pm

Or we can use the true 3rd world vehicle… The toyota land cruiser. they are the vehicle of choice for traveling to the most remote places on earth and surviving out of them. I would go with what is proven the world over. toyota. Land cursers come in any type of vehicle you want from pickup trucks, wagons to carry the family, troop carriers, to the original two door fj40. Anything you could possibly want. they also have a variety of great drivetrains. the gas is based off of the legendary and very reliable chevy stove bolt engine and the diesel is way more reliable. Another good option is the land rover but then reliability suffers a lot. I wouldn't even think of a jeep. A unimog is also a very good idea if you put some kind of camper on the back but they are too big for me. Also many of the early toyotas I am talking about will survive an EMP blast. The diesels will also run on just about anything you put into the gas tank. just filter it a bit, make sure it is oily, flammable and you are good. I bet you $100 they would run on straight used motor oil for a long time. Used motor oil will be very easy to find in all of the abandoned vehicles and many auto parts stores/ mechanics keep large barrels of it. It won't keep you going forever but will keep you going for some time. I't wouldn't become a giant paper weight after a week like a gas.

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Chris September 16, 2012 at 2:05 pm

Anyone watch that FN video and think of the sentry cannons in "Aliens"?

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crazybikerdude September 23, 2012 at 9:59 pm

One thing I've had the thought of is that in the event of an EMT all these super fancy new vehicles have so many electronics in them they would be absolutely useless. Whereas a classic pickup truck or SUV can have the fuses replaced and the most basic electronics replaced in a couple hours and then you can push it down a hill and bump start it.

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Carol D. October 1, 2012 at 9:04 pm

Besides food, water and "bug out" vehicle… there is a need for 'gasoline free' portable solar generators (and sun ovens) for free sun energy to Cook food, run Lights, Fans, tools, computer, electrical needs… etc. (GREAT to take DRY CAMPING!!!) I have two of these solar generators… and I LOVE THEM!!! Find them at… OffTheGridSurvivalProducts . com

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Zach Hubbard October 7, 2012 at 10:16 pm

I wonder why they are listing these vehicles as good BOV. All these are run by a computer, none the less, they require gas which then the pumps would not work.

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chainman1379 October 8, 2012 at 5:27 pm

i run a 85 dodge 4×4 shortbed for a shtf vehicle how be it i have 3 of them 1 for everday driving 1 for parts and the other is a bug out ride/offroad toy..

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Jon October 11, 2012 at 3:00 am

Microlight

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PhantomWorks October 14, 2012 at 11:48 pm

Fun article and some interesting, but mostly stupidly expensive, vehicles. One thing that was forgotten though is that one of the most likely disasters to actually happen will disable almost all vehicles, solarflares! Modern cars got way to much electronics to work after an solarflare out other electro magnetic pulse…
Old school carburetors or mechanical diesel is the only ones that will drive anywhere then.

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Anon. October 15, 2012 at 8:59 am

If you find an older gas-burning deuce (as opposed to the diesel or multi-fuel), you can sometimes pick them up rather cheap (I just bought a running, driving, ugly one for $1,600). The great thing about the deuce is that they are built for most any type of terrain or condition that would likely occur in a SHTF scenario. [Back to the gas compared to diesel/multi-fuel] You can build a gasifier that will run the deuce off of pretty much anything that burns (designed for wood primarily), and the deuce can carry an ample supply of "fuel" material. FEMA released instructions on how to build a gasifier for use on an internal combustion engine during a petroleum emergency back in 1989, these instructions were adapted from the gasifiers used during WWII… and most of the gas burning deuces were built before, during, or for a short time after WWII (through the mid/late 1950's). This way, you won't have to worry as much about the fuel issue of transportation. Now, for the family, load up a horse trailer with living quarters to pull behind the deuce, or throw/build a camper in the back of the deuce. The possibilities are near endless with these things because of their diverse design to begin with!

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wannabeforager October 20, 2012 at 1:35 am

Kayaks. We are coastal and our kayaks would fairly quickly take us into the woods by shoreline and carry our gear… Providing our disaster (along the west coast) isn't caused by an earthquake and subsequent tsunami..

Plus no one could get us out in the water; at least not as easily as if we had to stop from an empty gas tank.

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The Marine December 6, 2012 at 9:38 am

cant go wrong with a Deuce and a half with the old herculese engines. those engines were built by the military as a Bugout type engine. you can literally run it off of anything ie. diesel, gasoline, motor oil, vegetable oil, bio diesel. 6×6 extreme off-road, finominal towing capacity, and you could pretty much plow through anything that gets in your ways.

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Peter December 10, 2012 at 2:40 pm

It's nice to think about what one would want for a BOV. But the thing is, the best/ideal/ultimate BOV is THE ONE YOU HAVE. Do what you can with what you have, where you are. Then upgrade if you can according to the thoughts you've had after reading the article and rinse, repeat.

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RoverReps December 11, 2012 at 11:46 am

There is a lot I would add to this discussion, but since so much has already been said I will keep it short. When thinking about a BOV we all need to keep in mind the importance of having a BOV that is ready to run with little or no notice. The perfect diesel, lifted, turbo, exploration RV that won't start when you need it because it has been sitting unused for 6mos, is close to usless. My point being, if you can have a BOV that is used for a dual purpose, even if it is cruising around on the weekends, you will be in much better shape and ready to go when needed than something that you don't use regularly. Just my two cents. See you on the other side!

Ok, one more comment: Try finding a part for a 1969 Unimog today… now try it during an "event". I love old Land Cruisers, Land Rovers, etc., but when I went to buy a true BOV I bought an old American truck (since I live in America and they are literally everywhere!). My choice was a military surplus 1984 Chevy 4×4 Ambulance. It's not exactly a daily driver, but the kids love it when I pick them up from school in it!

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Whiskey Whiskey January 25, 2013 at 9:03 pm

I would personally choose something heavy duty that can use about anything for a fuel source.
The M35 "Deuce and a Half is the perfect choice, from gasoline to crude oil and budweiser, this puppy is the perfect choice for me.

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christian prepper February 16, 2013 at 11:22 am

a jeep wrangeler or hum v would be cool but if TSHTF where will you get the gas. I would get a good mountain bike a sailboat with a salt water filter and a horse (with my rifle and shotgun in the saddle.)But then agian you could also get a biomass gasifier(this is a real thing look it up)and your vehical could run on trash: wood pellets, oils, leaves and twigs.

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Brit February 24, 2013 at 3:25 pm

If you live in an urban environment your chances of getting out by vehicle are slim to none. Unless you have something like a Marauder and can plough straight through fences and brick walls, you'll be stuck in gridlock jams. People drive like crap at the best of times, and any emergency won't be the best of times. So stupid accidents, panicking, and general chaos will means roads will be impassible. If you live in a rural environment, you certainly stand a chance. In the San Francisco Bay Area, however, even the various Agencies recognize there's no chance whatsoever of the road system permitting entry or egress in the case of a disaster situation – in short, you'll be stuck where you are unless you're fit enough to walk out. And, realistically, that's about 5% of the population these days.

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jeffraaa March 27, 2013 at 8:04 pm

wheres the UNIMOG or URAL id take either of those over anything and they WILL GO OVER ANYTHING!!!

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Durendal June 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

In a SHTF situation a WROL zombie infestation post nuclear bomb you can forget about bikes or horses,trikes or soft skinned vehicles,you have heavily armed mobs of people running around chaos people looting and murdering for a scrap of food.You need a hardened bunker with NBC protection loaded with food , ammo,weapons,tools as a minimum as your primary bug out location and you need AT LEAST level III bullet protection on a bug out vehicle in case you need to fight your way through an angry mob and trust me if you are prepared and have gas masks and the other guy doesnt for his children he will kill to get your gas mask.Pull out your wallet this is serious the danger of a biological threat like a deadly virus popping up are real scientists say imminent.Cheapest would probably be something like a second hand armored truck then buy NBC protected clothing or install lead shielding in the truck.Get gas masks and build your bunker on a plot of farmland somewhere way out in no mans land.

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Joe July 13, 2013 at 7:25 am

Why is this so complicated guys ?
Just get togeather and pool our resources.
Buy a small island togeather build a compond on it.
Set up a schedual to pick each other up when the shit hits the fan and sit it out togeather.
Just putting it out there !
Numbers , strength and all that .!!!!

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Roseline July 25, 2013 at 1:26 pm

No one mentioned horses..

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Dan September 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm

Former military all wheel drive vehicles are suited to get you to your location in almost ant weather. Keep one packed with what you need to get you to your destination.

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Robert Brown September 18, 2013 at 12:38 am

Those expeditionary vehicles look amazing.

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H8PVMNT November 5, 2013 at 7:20 pm

Toyota Hillux/4WD pickup, preferably a 79-85 solid axle model with a carbeurator. Overbuilt drivetrain, extremely capable, decent gas milage, lots of parts interchangability with other Toyota models and they were designed to be fixed in the bush by third world kids with few tools. My '80 has never failed to get me home, even when fixed with a ball point pen. I wheel the crap out of it, skid logs, it's even been shot and I can still drive it several hundred miles a day for work.

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emc2 December 2, 2013 at 11:13 pm

80's suburbans, 90's astro awd vans, 60-80's dirt bikes,(front or back bracket on bumper ) storage bin on roof(on a roof rack – think a max 12" thick 48 x 96" box – you will still fit in to a garage – Depending on tires and lift kit.

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pete1427 December 19, 2013 at 1:46 am

For those who live near large fresh water lakes, or large rivers the Terra Wind
Amphibious Motor Home might just be a good, but expensive bug out vehicle.
It could also double as your bug out location.
Just drive up to a boat ramp, or gentile water bank. Then drive the motor home
into the water, change propulsion modes and voila, the motor home becomes
a powered house boat suitable for calmer waters.

The Terra Wind far exceeds my available budget so I am left with other options.

I have lived the majority of my 68 years in Western Washington, But my bug out
location is in Eastern Washington. The location was chosen because it has its
own well, and it is very remote and has a large underground shelter.
The main problem is that the Cascade Mountain Range is between my current
location and the bug out location. there are several paved passes over the
mountains and a couple of dirt/gravel passes unknown to all but a few 4X4
enthusiast and my older Suburban 4X4 could traverse those passes if there
is no real heavy snow.
There is also the option of driving around the mountain range to the south by
following the Columbia River, but I doubt that traffic would allow that as an option.
Another option is to use my trailer-able power boat as my bug out location in
remote isolated bays or inlets in Canada, or SE Alaska.
If, and only if the vessel locks at the numerous dams were operational I could
use the boat down the coast into the Columbia and Snake river to get to my
bug out location in Eastern Washington.
Many optional plans, but none of them are written in stone because there are
so many variables caused my mother nature and by the nature of mankind,
As a last resort, I would stay at my home north of Seattle and try to convert
into a virtual fortress.

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Chris January 20, 2014 at 10:35 pm

Read the book "Aftershock" (by the author's who predicted our last financial crash)they claim we will have a financial collapse of the dollar and the stock market in which case, especially if you live in a city, a bug out plan might be in order.
If unemployment is extreme and food hard to come by, Americans today are different than those of 1933 and unlawful behavior could become rampant.
There are 800 FEMA camps in the US and are staffed and ready for those who the Gov. feels are a threat. Most camps can house 20,000 & the one up by Fairbanks is said to house 2,000,000. Camps have razor wire fences, you will not be leaving until they decide you are no longer a threat.
I you hoard lots of provisions, Homeland Security has the right to confiscate them for redistribution to others. If you decide to be well stocked in case of an emergency it would be wise to keep it to yourself.
Plan well and good luck, hope we won't experience this.

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Olipop23 February 12, 2014 at 6:17 pm

Im gonna get a 4 door chevy blazer, put a roof rack on it, and a 3 inch lift kit and load it up.

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dave May 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm

Electric vehicle with solar panels, batteries, charger/cnotroller etc. When you get to your bug out local , strip the solar system out and rewire (with on hand kit) the electric motor into a wind turbine.

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Edster May 30, 2014 at 12:37 am

Better have bullet-proof windows.

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Walt1 June 25, 2014 at 11:17 am

True heavily urbanized road nets will be virtually impassable. Do you have electrical transmission lines where you live? In Northeast, still heavily wooded out of imediate urban areas. Power transmission line routes make excellent off-road routes. The routes are kept clear of trees and heavy brush and usually include a gravel road for maintenace crews. They can be rough, so off-road vehicle essential.

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LiamKnuj99 July 1, 2014 at 8:12 pm

For a over-the-road BOV. I favor something big and heavy–a diesel Silverado K3500 with a slide in camper. My 4 four season off grid boondocker's, pickup camper is 17 feet long with the cab-over area, and has 6 solar panels (630 watts). I like being up in the air so people can't look in easily. I have not plugged it in to shore power since I got my new batteries–400 Amp Hours–enough to run an electric blanket and this is all I need when the weather is above freezing. The electricity I save by not using the furnace is offset by the electric blanket use. In the summer I'm fully charged by 10am on a sunny day and can run a TV, Wifi, and Battery chargers all day long if I like, and never have to worry about using too much power. All my lights are LED and I have spare bulbs, both incandescent and I plan to buy a complete set of spare LEDs.

My only issue is possibly running out of propane. In warm weather I can go for several months, in cold the furnace burns though propane fast in single digit temperatures–3 days or less. I warmer weather dipping in to the 20's at night I can go a week with two bottles of propane. I am propane dependent in cold weather.

I also have a big fuel tank in the Silverado and driving slow on the highway, a 900 mile range, 850 miles at typical highway speeds. I plan to add another 50-70 gallons to get my range up to 1200 or so.

At some point, I'd like to swap the propane refrigerator for a Danfoss type compressor fridge which runs on DC electric needs much less power, to reduce my propane usage. An DC powered Engle freezer would fit in the old TV cabinet and provide always needed extra freezer space. I may add a diesel heater so I have a backup heat source.

I also have 4 sq feet of space for a solar hot water panel on the roof which is just right for a six gallon hot water heater that I'd like to install at some point. Without the need for a generator, I can use the generator compartment for storing either more water, or two more propane tanks, also while still looking like a typical truck camper.

My Silverado is big enough to push another car off the road, has a spare tire mount on the front, and with 4×4 it can drive around obstacles. I could probably carry another unmounted tire on the roof. A winch would be a nice addition also.

To me the most important factor in a vehicle is range. You have to assume you won't be able to get fuel, and be able to pump it yourself. Next I want something big enough to carry as much food as possible, preferably dried foods. All I really need is a way to treat water for drinking and possible a bigger water tank. These I can put on a trailer if needed.

I have a trailer I'm reworking. It is made from an old short Chevy LUV pickup bed. It should be able to carry 300 gallons of diesel fuel in a new steel bed and 20-30 gallons of gasoline underneath for chainsaws, and I'd like to be able to carry (3)100 lb bottles of propane in front–my plan for heat when winter camping. In moderate cold I could go 7-8 weeks of below freezing weather, and 3.5 weeks in single digit temperatures. People say you should test your equipment before using. I've been living in mine since March 10th. I started to try it out, and later decided to stay because it was cheaper than heating my house. Then I found I liked it better. I suppose that will change when I finish outfitting my sailboat.

I have a good running Onan gas genset on the trailer, mostly to make it easy to move around for home emergency use. I'd like to sell it, and mount more few solar panels on the trailer for extra charging. Perhaps I could fold them out for more power. With an inverter, I should be able to run the house refrigerator in an emergency.

If I park this camper and trailer somewhere, I can last a long time. And that still leaves space to carry whatever else I want above the bed and under the roof rack. It is a heavy load that will drop my fuel economy to about 10 mpg, but I'll still have trans-continental range with that tank, and it will get lighter as I go.

Or I could park somewhere, even in a cold winter and be comfortable for an entire winter. Parked in a good spot, I could generate enough power to run the essentials in an emergency–a furnace, some lights and a refrigerator with either the trailer or the camper.

What this gives me, is the same sort of capability a cruising sailboat typically has, only I'd be more dependent on fuel.

My choice as a retired military man, would be to go to military campgrounds if things got really bad. I've always felt safer on military bases. Military folk look after each other.

No one mentions destinations for a bug out location. I think any location that is not part of a community, is a dangerous vulnerable place. There is no point in having a good bug out vehicle if someone takes it away from you. That is one reason I like the idea of a cruising yacht. The ocean is a might empty place, and the islands are pretty laid back for the most part.

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john perkins July 26, 2014 at 11:12 am

how about a urban assault vehicle as seen in stripes? does any one now where to find it?

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steven1956 December 15, 2010 at 2:16 pm

Well I do understand and I think the duce n half is the way too go I have looked into it my self and like these trucks I have been out of work for 3years now so I know you go with what you got !

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neal February 9, 2011 at 2:55 pm

I agree with your comment. Horse is the best way. I have further been looking into horse-drawn vehicles such as chuck wagons, sheephearder wagons, and gypsy wagons (all readily availible). Be sure to plan you HBOB (horse bug out bag, cause while they can eat grass…they still have needs too).

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FireMountain September 23, 2011 at 5:38 pm

Thank you. I agree. We have horses and live on a farm in the country. If we were to "bug out" I guess it would be farther away from civilization or to another region. We have a lot of experience with our horses and the gear we use in the mountains. So, for us its the choice that makes the most sense. Whatever you choose, be sure to know your gear well and use it regularly, then if you need it for a true emergency you will be ready.

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velojym February 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm

…if the horse is still there. While I certainly see the logic, I'm more comfortable with a mountain bike, and can cache one in the direction of my bugout, in case I have to hoof it out of town. Beyond checking on it every once in a while, it won't require any daily care.
It's all about what one is comfortable with. I had my horsie time, and enjoyed it, but again, I'm more comfortable on a bike.

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JNCali March 1, 2011 at 11:04 am

Ultra lights are noisy and slow and would most likely become an easy target over any urban area. That said, you would need to have a fully stocked destination that is not easily accessed by traditional vehicles in case your followed. Nice OOTB thinking for sure.. if there was a way to make an ultralight quieter it would be a great option to have..

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velojym February 2, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Yes, the cargo capacity is low, and yes it's weather sensitive, but… a majority of the time they're flyable, and if it's a choice between leaving a few Beanie-Weenies at home or getting stuck in an Interstate parking lot, I'll take the airplane.
Then again, I'm used to flying a C172 and a Cherokee 180… and there's a small airfield right near our BOL, so we won't be quite as limited.
As for ground fire, even an ultralight will take you far above any effective small arms range. I'd suggest flying pretty high, anyway, so if/when your 2-cycle engine quits, you'll have a lot more time/distance to find a landing site.

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Largo1 April 7, 2014 at 5:46 pm

I would at least get an ultralight that can fit inside a 3x3x4' hard case. Yes, there is such a thing. The plane can carry one person and everything simply snaps together. You only need a wrench to bolt the engine on. The worst part is, trying to understand the instruction manual, which is probably longer than "War & Peace."

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grizzley_killer March 26, 2011 at 11:30 am

i would agree with you but i would not stay on the road i would have a site or more then one site picked out. For long stays, these sites would be outfitted with food,water and ammo. Any thing else you might need for survival.

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Ghost4439 July 6, 2011 at 11:42 am

Agreed, turning around on high mountain back roads are hazardous. You want something that is able to turn with ease a trailer thou a good idea can cause problems. if your looking for something like a Sport/ utility vehicle, you should check out Tomcar at http://www.tomcar.com.au/

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Guest April 27, 2012 at 1:27 pm

I'd want room on the front for a Zombie plow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShXLoTtx8N8

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sven September 11, 2012 at 11:01 am

i have 2012 f150 4×4. it has skid plates and can shift into 4 wheel drive at any speed. it also has a 36 gallon gas tank, which takes me 650 miles on a full tank, unless im loaded and off road, in which case its more like 450. still good.

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Roadwarrior_1 October 30, 2013 at 11:52 pm

Here's one straight from the rednecks, anyone looked into converting school buses into a doomsday vehicle? They're usually cheap, Lots of room for everything, and with the right skill sets and redneck ingenuity might not be a bad alternative given the price and the potential for upgrades like armor, kitchen, extra fuel tanks, water tanks/purifier system, solor panels on ghe roof and or small wind turbines, and room for several people. The possibilities are there for pratical to extreme A 4×4 bus would be a huge plus but haven't seen one in the south. Thoughts comments ideas are welcome

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Feet on Ground May 29, 2011 at 11:20 am

I agree.

I hate your tone, FTW, but auto transmission is not my choice.

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marvin July 6, 2011 at 2:13 am

horse and mule man what would our forefathers done with out these animals. good enough for them then should be good enough now….

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Dimitri August 28, 2011 at 8:17 pm

My tank is nearly always full of gas. Plus I have 4 five gallon tanks stored in my garage, so I have a bug out radius of 700 miles easily.

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Santiago February 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm

"What a bunch of nonsense…" from a species which learned to create/use tools to become a master of their environment (well, sort of…).
Use the tools which are available to you, and plan for those times when they won't be there.

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SelfSufficientMarine January 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm

Tienshanman, you strike me as the kind of guy who panics when the red light comes on o the dash of your car and leave real men to fix it. Parts will be A-PLENTY when the SHTF. So will fuel. I keep 100 foot of rubber hose and a cheap 12v fuel pump for siphoning fuel from abandonded cars, fuel stations, and junkyards. I use a mid 70's (pre 70's in case of EMP blast, no onboard computers to fry) 4×4 shortbed pickup with largely interchangable parts (small chevy engine, popular axles, common transmission etc) and I keep a toolbox full of common wear items such as wheel bearings, batteries, filters, belts, hoses, etc and a full compliment of basic tools. Most 4x4s use common parts (dana axles, new venture trans, etc) and when the SHTF, the USA will become a vast junkyard of stranded vehicles to be picked clean of parts and siphoned of fuel….at least for the real men. Oh, the roadway is blocked? a 12,000 pound winch and 1/2 plate steel pushbar will make short work of most anything I need to move out of the way. Us car-infatuated folks know what the funk were doing. DO YOU?

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Samuelpjones October 11, 2011 at 11:36 pm

The bike is a great option as long as you are not on any roadways where other people trying to survive are not driving crazy to get out of town. While you may not need gas, being hit by even the smallest of cars can quickly ruin any chance you have of survival. I will stick with a vehicle and take the bikes with me. When all the gas has been used up and there are not many vehicles out on the roads they would then make a great option for quietly getting in and out of places. Until the initial shock and hysterics are over though you seem to be more of a speed bump on the highway out of town.

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Guest March 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm

If you are horse people then horses are the best way to go. However, like any living thing it needs a lot of maintenance. You dont just turn a key and turn it off. Horses require extensive veterenarian and farrier knowledge. If you have that then horses are without a doubt the way to go. One other note, in regard to horses, is that if its going to be your choice you absolutely must bug out to the boonies. Otherwise, the populace will view them as a food item. I think the best option would be pickup truck w/slide-in camper pulling a horse trailer. Head for BLM land and stake your claim. I live in a small city and having horses is not an option. I have owned them and I like them, but only if I have a place for them. We have a pickup/camper rig. I own motorcycles so we will trailer those and carry extra fuel for both. There is no perfect solution barring a well protected farm.

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Robert Clay Allison May 30, 2012 at 12:54 am

Negative on your last…a horse is extremely low maintenance. only those who spent their whole lives around them would know this fact. If you were right…which you are not…explain how for thousands of years and even in more recent history (i.e. the beginnings of American history) when they did not have all the fancy vets and farriers. Explain this! I have been around horses from a youth on working cattle ranches and have rarely found the need for vets and such. So as the blues number goes.."Your bucket's got a hole in it".

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Guest May 29, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Grandaddy was a muleskinner; I grew up on his farm and his horses and mules required tons more work and upkeep than my mountain bike ever did.
farriers weren't always fancy, and most communities had at least one or two farriers, and/or blacksmiths (who did plenty of farrier work, not just pounding hot iron)

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neongen1 April 7, 2014 at 5:43 pm

I'm guessing the reason is that the H1 series is very difficult to obtain. The H2 series is a joke. The tie rods are overstressed partly because the suspension was from a GMC Yukon, which is not strong enough to take the excessive weight of the H2.

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MJB June 15, 2014 at 6:04 pm

I think he means the Humvee used by military rather than the Hummer. I would have to say they didn't include them as they are extremely hard to come by for your average person, even if you have the money. The list seems to be mainly made of mass produced/specialty units that are easy to come by for the money.

Myself I have a triple hardened SUV setup. They are bio-diesel with 250 gallon tanks in the back cargo area. They are 4×4 and have had the frame modified to be able to handle head on collisions if they have to, although not constantly. I have 1 horse trailer for one that will hold 4 horses and enough hay to get them to our locations and the other two pull utility trailers that hold 2 ATV's and 10 days worth of supplies for 8 people on trailers.

I hit impassible locales, I dump the trucks after making sure they are immobile permanently, hop on the horses and ATV's and finish the trek.

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TripodXL June 25, 2014 at 1:34 pm

@MMD; I think my BOL is the best vehicle. Short travel time; infinite mileage and minimal danger (assuming BOL is secure) and significantly less effort. Be well.

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