What Type of Survivalist Are You?

The traditional connotation of “Survivalist” is not good and usually involves crazy people with lots of guns, too much camouflage, and a bomb shelter full of food. You and I both know this isn’t true. There are “survivalists” in all walks of life with various levels of gear and preps.

*Please Remember* These descriptions are obviously broad, sweeping generalizations and should not be taken too seriously. They are simply my thoughts on the types of survivalists and preppers I have noticed since getting involved in the community.

1. The Off-Grid

Off Grid SurvivalThe Off Grid Survivalist lives off the land in a “homesteading” type of way. They grow and produce as much of their own food as possible and get their energy in non-traditional means. To call someone who is off-grid a survivalist can sometimes be a misnomer because they don’t always stockpile food and seeds the way other preppers do since they are already living the life.

2. The Serious Prepper

Survival Food BasementThe serious prepper lives in a more traditional manner but often has an extensive Bug Out Location stocked with lots of gear. The serious prepper spends all of his or her available time and money on prepping and gear, and has the stuff to show for it. The Serious Prepper might be a contradiction in terms because they often think of prepping and gear testing as their hobby and fun time, so it’s not really work, but at the same time they take it all very seriously.

3. The Average Citizen

Average CitizenIn my opinion this is probably the most common type of survivalist out there. The Average Citizen Survivalist lives in a regular home and his or her friends and family may not even know they are a “survivalist” They spend a small or moderate amount of their money on preps and gear, concentrating mostly on events that are likely to happen, such as regional emergencies and extended power outages.ย  They will most often have a Bug Out Bag prepared.

What are You?

Do you fit into one of these descriptions? Or in the more likely event that are you somewhere in between, tell us a little bit about your preps and survival philosophy.

Also, if you have other “types of survivalists” I’d be happy to add them to the list.

photo by: cobalt123

Joel Jefferson
Written by Joel Jefferson

Joel is one of the original founders of SurvivalCache.com. After college, he joined the USMC where he served as an (0302) Marine Infantry Officer. Joel is an avid outdoorsman and spends much of his free time in the mountains. Joelโ€™s hobby is researching survival gear & weapons as well as prepping. Read his full interview here. Read more of Joel's articles.

138 thoughts on “What Type of Survivalist Are You?”

  1. I'm pretty new to prepping. I've been a resident of Florida my entire life… Despite having been effected in various forms by hurricanes, I have never had an emergency kit.. never stored extra food, etc. I prep now because I don't trust our socio-economic future and feel like we are 3 meals away from seeing humanity at it's worst (and God at his finest). I dont have a bunker or a years supply of food…, but that isn't because I don't want them… it's because I haven't been able to aquire them YET.

  2. I understand exactly where you are coming from.

    Until recently I was never a "survivalist" either. I have lots of good experience but I wasn't consciously prepping and things.

    I couldn't agree more about our delicately balanced society. All it takes in one good catastrophe and it's off the deep end.

    I don't have those things either, Yet ๐Ÿ˜‰ but I'm getting there one step at a time.

  3. I am somewhere in between the serious prepper, and the average citizen. I am concerned with what is going on, but I don't yet have the preps to show for it.

    • I agree with others…there have to be more categories of preppers ! "Average Citizen", IMO, are the sheeple who get caught out during every natural disaster without ANYthing. Id say the category between them and the serious preppers are the "Informed Citizen" those of us who are keeping an eye on things and prepping for natural disasters– 3 days to a week of supplies, and then Bobs in the cars. I'm a woman and in charge of prepping for our family. I've ALWAYS had some 2-liter soda bottles filled with water–and we used them during the 2003 blackout when the water ran out in Cleveland. Now I'm prepped for tornadoes, Ice storms and the like. We really don't have the money for anything more extensive.

  4. That is AWESOME. I have a family as well and it is certainly a challenge trying to do this on a larger scale. I have 4 (including myself) in my family… aside from the cost associated with buying large quantities of supplies… I also run into issues of storage. Keeping 3 months of food for a family of 4 is not a simple task. If you really think about that… it's a ONE YEAR supply of food for one person.

    I live in the suburbs and see bugging out as a much more likely scenario than me staying here in my house that is literally riddled with windows (I never realized how poor my security was until I started prepping)

    I've moved my mindset to gearing up so that I have the ability to Bug Out and create my own food. Survival Garden, Hunting, Canning, Water Purification, etc

  5. Thanks for the encouragement. I know what you mean about the amount of food needed for three months, I am almost out of storage space already, (I am trying to contain every thing in a filing cabinet in the garage). I also live in the city in the middle of what will probably be prime looting territory. For the time being however, we are trying to be semi-self-sustainable. We have parts of a garden planted in four raised beds in the back, and the two front flower beds. We also now have six chickens in between our shed and garage. The home is the largest investment most families ever make. I am trying to make the home sustainable, instead of running off and leaving the equivelent of over 120,000$. I do however have bug-out gear packed for those emergencies where an evacuation is necessary i.e. wild fires near the home, rioting. I spent the first ten years of my life in Florida and would recommend that you focus your bug-out gear as more of an evac bag. If the world were to end, I would be loading up the majority of my personal belongings and moving to a remote location (Lord willing and the creek dont rise).

    • Hi Josh…you just might be from the Ozarks, cuz that's a line we here use all the time! …Lorc willin' and the creek don't rise. This is the place to be when things get dicey. I have a remote location, a German Shepherd Dog, raised garden beds, good Mennonite and Amish neighbors, low taxes, a big generator, good water, and a Taurus Judge. We don't even have 911 access. I may be 71, but honey nobody wants ts to mess with me. Haha

  6. My plan for evacuation is to leave Florida… I have some higher ground in Texas that I hope to be able to get to before things get really bad. I have basic GHB in our vehicles (basic tools, first aid, water, clif bars, blankets, shoes/socks, hats, gloves), a decent BOB (but I do need to add some more pieces) and I'm building a series of Bug Out Bins. I consider my Bag to be a RED ALERT leave NOW— RUN! and my bins will progress from additional essential items, ammo, and practical tools in the 1st bin to comfort items in bin#3. (something I picked up from Preps: Evacuation Planhttp://bisonrma.blogspot.com/2010/04/preps-evacua

  7. I guess I'm an Average guy who is doing some prep with food and gear, but I have a list of skills that are for not only for survival but other situations as well. other than your basic survival skills. Most of you have most likely gone 4 wheeling but how many of you can fly an airplane or a helo, I can. How about sailing. and celestrial navigation. can you swim or use scuba. or do you know how to save someones life. had life guard or EMT training. I haven't done motorcycle or horseback riding yet but they're on my list.Why? because in some countries you might only beable to find a motorcycle or a boat to get out of town. and if the disaster is big enough and the roads a blocked .I'm heading for the nearest airport. Alot of flying clubs have to many planes and not enough pilots to take their planes out or there might be one there for the taking. There is more than one way to survive. I have a big list but I have a lot checked off.

    • Jerry,

      Welcome to SurvivalCache. It seems like you have a lot of great experience in the survival preparedness area, but I'm glad to hear you are working on stocking preps too.

      I'm still young and I have my own checklist of "survival" training that I not only plan on doing, but am absolutely looking forward to. I want to get prepared AND enjoy the trip.

      Thanks for telling us about your prepping philosophy.

  8. I myself am not so new to as you call it preping. I am one of the few that live in the country because it is one of the easiest places to jump out from once the call goes out, and that is what it will be is a call, my friends and I have a spot all picked out to meet at. we have a phone tree system in place with all the teams numbers in place we love to test it from time to time. all that needs to happen is one call and within 30-45 mins we are all on the road within 1.5 hours we are at the first point in our journey.

    it is great to find people of like mind in your area to associate with and talk about the unthinkable happening. we also have the help your neighbor philosiphy if anyone of us knows of a friend in need we all show up and help them out even if it is some one that a few of us have never meet before. I can think of a few times where the majority of the group had no clue who the person was that needed repairs done or just a hand getting things back on track.

    • Caine,

      That sounds like a pretty good support system you have going there.

      I'd have to be really really good friends with some people to trust them Post-TEOTWAWKI. Not because they aren't good people, simply because any person, good or bad, will do many things if they are starving and hopeless.

      However it sounds like your group is all on board the prepared wagon. If that's the case you'll have quite a powerful group.

  9. thanks lucas another thing to keep in mind when or if you make a group is to make sure they are dependable people, like minded, and someone you would ride the river with. that means they will not run when the going gets tough but will stay and help. I also make it a habbit to cross train my men like a cook could also be an armour. stuff like that.

  10. I think you need more than 3 categories. There is the 'non prepper', there is also the 'raider'(who we all hate).

    I am bugging in and have 200 lbs of rice and several hundred cans of veggies and meat. Have 13 Chickens and plans on meat rabbits.

    I'm close to the serious prepper but far from the average citizen.


    • hate is a strong word but I get what you mean Davemon the raiders will do just as much if not more damage than what ever it is we as survivalists are running from you will see old hatreds come alive again and this time we might not survive all the hatred but by god i am going to do my best to be ready for it when it comes.

      I also agree with Lucas good job with the livestock its not easy having all those animals atleast for me its not easy so i leave it to the pros lol

    • Thats the direction I am going, stocking food, raising chickens, gardening, etc. Its great to be prepared to bug-in, but you should really have a bugout plan in place for those scenarios where you really just dont have a choice (i.e. wild fire near the home, hurricane, etc.). I dont think any of us would really choose leaving over staying unless the situation demands it.

      • that is right it all depends on the situation and most of the people that would pull out to save their skin would wait till it is almost to late it would be a tough call but one that might need to be made in order to save the lives of your family.

  11. I think there are hybrids of all of these.
    I personally am the citizen type, but my personal plan is to get in, get gear, and get out. The serious prepper faces the problem of people finding out about al the food they have after TEOTWAWKI and then they have to hold the house against the world. The off the grid person, once found, will be raided, and left to die after all their resources have been taken. If I can grab all the stuff I need, get out, and hide until the main heat is over, and then move out and begin procuring even more food. Davemon has it right. All of the nonpreppers will die off or be killed, and then I can come out and gather what I need. without going raider style, of course.

    • In those scenerios that would work. however, I'd like to hear the cars as they're getting close to me, even though the sirens would drive me crazy-better crazy then run over. And if i stayed to help and it wasn't a survival situation, I'd still like to hear the guy on the back hoe as he swings his 1 ton bucket by me and yells, "move, your in my way"! It's a survival thing with me.

      • yeah lucas but you have an advantage over the normal preper by having this site. I think this is one of the best sites i have found where we can all talk and get new ideas about how to prep better and we dont get called all the dirty names that the liberals call us here cause we are all like minded being prepaired for the worst but still a hope that nothing like this will need to happen I for one dont want to see TEOTWAWKI but some times thing like this happen so i am prepaired and practice skills months on end just so i am not sitting one my ass hoping that the governent will come in and tell me this is going to happen and you have no say. I started to see all this was going to be needed at a young age and i loved the woods it was my sanctuary growing up as an only child in the backwoods of Maine. I know that some day what i have learned will be needed and we just dont know it yet.

        stay cool and get prepared.

        • Thanks for the compliments on the site.

          I know what you mean about having good discussion. At first I was on all the message boards and forums, but those places are just absolutely filled with people ready to tell you that your gear is crap, and your doing this wrong, and that wrong and bla bla bla.

          Fortunately, I do have this site. I won't tolerate that kind of negativity and I'll delete comments that are that way. (I haven't had to yet though, which is good.

          That doesn't mean that I'm not open to disagreement or debate, I certainly am. It just has to be in an adult and constructive way.

          As I looked around at all the other "survival" sites I tried to see what was best about them to decide how to run my site.

          From the beginning I decided that:

          A) The site was going to actively teach people, and not just follow my personal prepping and things. Some sites that do that are good and I read them, but after a while it just gets old.

          B) I was going to completely leave news and politics off the site. That is where you into trouble. I'm not afraid to debate anyone on anything, but not on this site. I keep it strictly survival. There are plenty of other sites for that kind of stuff.

          • you know when i was growing up i wish i had a site like this to help keep my happy butt out of trouble but i did not even have internet at my house it was all books on how to do house repairs and then my other favorites that kept me busy my survival manuels that i got from friends but i had to teach myself most of what i know then i had the chance one day a met a ritired army ranger DI and things have not been the same for me my biggest draw back is my size I am not a little guy and trying to sneak around trainging is not as easy for me as it would be for a guy half my size but I found guys around my size with minds like mine and we have become a happy band of brothers I am just the unoffical leader because I have not lost touch with my younger years yet I still like taking off for parts unknown and mapping out where i have been and not been yet lol

  12. I just found this site and It really seems like a good resource for preparedness minded people, I guess I would consider myself a serious prepper. I don't have a detailed Bug Out Plan yet, but I am very concerned and aware of what's going on, and (thankfully) have the preps to show for it, but there is still so much more to do

  13. i find myself between the average citizen and the serious prepper, but mostly because i carry a certain number of things on my person at all times, just in case. these items are partly defense oriented items and partly due to the fact that i live in alaska, and alaska, while being the best state in the U.S., is also a place where even in the main city one can die of hypothermia just waiting for the bus if one isnt prepared.
    i also go this route because ive witnessed and experienced some really bad situations in my life and this has promoted a preparedness mindset coupled with a tendency to try to constantly be aware and "watching my six."
    someday though i hope to go to the full serious prepper, the only thing really holding me back is money, raising 3 kids is sure spendy. so we dont have the food stockpiles, but ive got much of the gear due to my hunting and camping hobbies. anyways, good article, keep em coming.

    • truemonster,

      Never under estimate the power of a good EDC system. Yours might be more serious than a lot of people since you live in Alaska.

      I've found through this site that people have all kinds of different reasons for being prepared and moving towards a prepared lifestyle, but the fact that you recognize the needs in a huge part of it.

      Thanks for the compliments and thanks for joining in the discussion.

  14. Mr_Smashy
    The tube magazine is the weak part of a pumps design that will cause the majority of terrible jams that occur. Hey, but use what you want. But ,remember Murphy's law. If something can go wrong ,it will. A person should buy a weapon that has a minimum of design flaws. A tube magazine is a major design flaw. One can disagree at their own peril. You run a Saiga with good ammo, the chance of a jam is very slim and easily cleared if it would occur , which is very unlikely.

    • Thanks that's really generous of you.

      Unfortunately I do not. I'm fresh out of college and still driving a Saturn. Hard to get rid of 30+ mpg these days).

      I just don't have the money for something bigger right now, but of course that's on the wish list.

      • its a great thing to look into for a project but go to a junk yard and get just the fram to a JEEP i drive a grand cherokee but my project is to build a BOV(bug out veichle)

  15. Dogs are great to have around the house. I have two, a german sheppard who guards outside and a lab that guards inside. However, if shtf and I take these two dogs they are going to do what they have been taught, that is to bark at intruders. So if i'm trying to hide my family in the woods from others who would do us harm, I will not take them. They will give our position away and therefore bring harm to my family. Having said that, if you have trained your dog not to bark or if you have surgically removed the larynx from the dog, and taught them not to run off or run after game, by all means i would take them. There are other ways of knowing when the dog alerts. Just a thought

  16. Bailing wire? or Safety wire w/safety wire pliars……..

    Dental floss? (waxed) Works for teeth. Also sewing repair…. sails, clothing etc. A lot stronger than thread/string and it can withstand the elements.

  17. You mean like the ones you use for sealing food?

    That sounds like a good idea, but can only be used one, and it's a pretty expensive way to go.

    • Oorah… And Semper Fi
      As a former Marine I must agree. But as well our basic instincts of survival would tend to kick in when faced with a shall we say bad situation seemingly out of our hands. Training has taught me a lot in the past. I see society as it slowly crumbles, am I totally prepared…who can say. I read about how the govenment is still trying to mess with gun control… But we must remember, that no matter what we will survive. Man has through the ages from the time he first picked up a stick or rock to defend himself. I own one gun. As well as a few Uhmm unconventional weapons. I know how to hunt , I know what I can forage for. Anyways I will end my ranting here….. For now.
      Take care all….

  18. I think there might be another militaristic survival catagory that prepares more toward being combat ready than anything else, I probably fall in between this catagory and the average citizen along with many other Americans. I love this site, it’s nice to know there are so many aspiring survivalist keep up the good work guys.

  19. I'm the average "Citizen Joe", I do some prepping but not as much as I'd prefer. I on the other hand do have true survival skills as I was a Survival Instructor. Having survival skills don't make the situation any easier, they actually help by your ability to asses the surroundings first then make a decision of action. Anyone can do this, but most people panic and don't think clearly in emergency situations. The way you learn to think is to pay attention to details such as watching your mirrors while driving, know where cars are, watch for brake lights three to four cars in front. Paying attention to your surroundings, is a simple skill that can be applied every situation.

    • A.L.C.
      There is a blog called survival mom she has a list posted there of the things you can buy for your kit for 5$. here is the link.
      http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/05/18/5-dollar-pre… also.. there is the list for you to look ar copied from her site..
      Here is an entire list of food and gear you can get for just $5:


      Five gallons of purified water
      4 pounds of Sugar
      5 pounds of Flour
      1.5 quarts of cooking oil
      Two cases of bottled water
      4 cans of fruit
      5 pounds of rice
      5 Pounds of Spaghetti
      4 Cans of Potatoes
      4 Cans of Vegetables
      4 Cans of Beans
      2 bottles of garlic powder or other spices
      A case of Ramen noodles
      Five packages of instant potatoes
      4 Cans of Soup
      2 12 ounce cans of chicken or tuna
      Two 12.5 ounce cans of Salmon
      5 pounds of Oatmeal
      5 packages of corn bread mix
      3 Pounds of dry beans
      2 Jars Peanut Butter
      2 boxes of yeast
      8-10 pounds of Iodized salt
      A can of coffee
      10 Boxes of generic brand Mac&Cheese
      Non-Food Items

      A manual can opener
      Two bottles of camp stove fuel
      100 rounds of .22lr ammo
      25 rounds of 12 ga birdshot or small game loads
      20 rounds of Monarch 7.62×39 ammo
      a spool of 12lb test monofilament fishing line
      2 packages of hooks and some sinkers or corks
      3 Bic Lighters or two big boxes of matches
      A package of tea candles
      50 ft of para cord
      A roll of duct tape
      A box of nails or other fasteners
      A flashlight
      2 D-batteries, 4 AA or AAA batteries or 2 9v batteries
      A toothbrush and tooth paste
      A bag of disposable razors
      8 bars of ivory soap (it floats)
      A box or tampons or bag of pads for the ladies
      2 gallons of bleach
      Needles and thread
      OTC Medications

      2 bottles 1000 count 500 mg generic Tylenol (acetometaphin)
      2 bottles 500 count 200 mg generic advil (ibuprofen)
      2 boxes 24 cound 25 mg generic Benadryl (diphenhydramine HCI)–also available at walgreens under “sleep aids.”
      4 bottles 500 count 325 mg aspirin
      2 boxes of generic sudafed
      4 bottles of alcohol
      a box of bandages (4×4)

      Hope that helps ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Start at the Dollar Store. I packed individual day packs (bug out bags) and put them in each family member’s car. The following items can be found at your local Dollar Store for your kits: Spam, canned spaghetti, meet in foil pouches like tuna, salmon and chicken, chili, beef stew, instant noodles, spaghetti, spaghetti sauce, crackers, coffee, hot coco, sports bars, powdered drinks*, canned nuts, canned fruit, dried fruit, rice, oat meal, cous cous, bullion cubes, olive oil, season salt, Tabasco, and of course a case of water.

      *I like powdered drinks like Tang or raspberry flavored drinks because you can also use them for spicing up your food. Tang and season salt on fish, raspberry drink and season salt on game.

    • In addition to the food you can find candles, lighters, flash lights, duct tape, foil, zip top bags, garbage bags, plastic sheeting, first aid stuff, toiletries, and more there.

      Add road flares, fix-a flat, machete, folding shovel, and some snivel gear (warm gear) and your ready for most SHTF situations.

      The rule of thumb is to eat the heavy food first. The exception to that is if you are in an area that has water but are moving into and area that does not. Save the food with high moisture content like the canned fruit. With the old C-Rations I saved the canned fruit for the end of the patrol when I might be running low on water. It was a great way to rehydrate and get an energy boost.

      Personal favorite field meal: Spaghetti with cured spicy sausage, Jiffy Pizza Crust ($0.77) focaccia and a mug of red wine.

  20. I live in a major city but have around 40 undeveloped acres a few hours from where i live. As of now water, wildlife and woods. Plans to build a bunker on the property actually (i know, I know!) but its more for secure storage than weathering WWIII as we will only have a semi permanent structure(yurt) on the property. Other than that I am a Katrina survivor. I am an intuitive and gifted urban survivalist. I know where I live. I know Im very likely to end up being stuck where I live. Therefore my primary focus is my immediate surroundings augmented by wilderness survival skills. Im very prepared in terms of skills and moderately prepared in terms of gear.

  21. I think another catagory an offshoot to the serious preper is the Para Military. Unlike the average citizen and off the grid survivalist there are many former Military /Police/Government types active and retired that still maintain equipment, training ..thinking that keeps them in a quazi state of readiness. They have firearms of all variations and military grade gear and quipment. They often still live within the confines of and among the average citizens and see them selves as the Sheep dogs to the sheep(public), watching out for the wolves"Terrorists/Criminals" they live thier lives as a hybred of all three not focusing too much on one untill needed.

  22. Pinkerton,
    Do you count yourself among their number? How exactly can you survive with weapons and weapons training alone unless you are planning on stealing from others?

  23. I also am starting to get seriuos. My wife says what for, we are old 60+ and if things get that bad she does not want to live to see it. Our 5 children are spead out all over the county, and would not be able to get hear. (25 miles from nyc). But I am strong minded and don't give up.. I have enough for a few months and ammo enough to protect it.

  24. me i am 3 . i have over 500 acres paided off .2 wells ,complet butching,and live stock. when it hits the fan my mom and dad come to me , my brother comes to me,my 2 kids stay away they only know me when they wont something (money). i have been told by my girl that i am a cold harted butthole.my exwife fokes raised them becouse i worked for this day. i paided off a20 year morage in 7 years. nobody helped me ! but the ones that stod be hind me and said they new i could do it . i am putting soal and wind power next mouth.i have a bid on 300 acres next to me,and 750 next to mom witch joyns me then i am done buying. these are cash price.i dont belive in loans.

  25. I have lived off grid before and hope to do it again post TEOTWAWKI. As long as the economy still has breath I will work for "the man". I am a serious prepper (mountain retreat, food and ammo storage, planning to build a forge,etc.) I think when the economy tanks it will be almost overnight. Within two weeks infrastructure will fail due to worthless currency, and radical groups(terrorists?) taking advantage of the situation and smashing the grid. "Who is John Gault?"

  26. I am an outdoor enthusiast who has some serious gear for camping/hunting purposes which double as survival gear. I love the outdoors, and therefor have a bug out bag as just a basic camp bag – It gets tossed in the boat, the four-wheeler, or truck for emergency and practical uses. Everything in my bag gets routine use (except emergency blanket and first aid kit) – I own plenty of guns for all types of game as well as loads for home defense. I fish quite often and consider a collapsible pole and flies to be a pretty good piece of gear to keep packed for both recreation and emergencies. I live too close to Cabela's I guess ๐Ÿ™‚

    I think "sportsmen" should be in its own class – we are "preppers" by default, but do not buy everything with survival in mind as much as we see the necessity for certain pieces of gear as basic needs for enjoying our hobbies. Reading terrain, weather/water patterns, understanding plant and animal life, reading tracks, etc. is just part of hunting/fishing and isn't necessarily a "survivalist" mentality, but it obviously doubles as survivalists skills.

    • Jake, I think you have hit the nail on this post. Sportsmen and women in this country have a different mindset every time we walk out the door. We seek adventure and prepare for what the adventure will and "could" present us with. My go bag is an old hand-me-down canvas backpack, siular to an Alice bag, and is well over 15 years old. Regardless of the days journey, it is with me. My family says its my "Bag of Tricks". Prepping has become a way of life since Scouting instilled the motto, "Be prepared".

  27. i guess im the crazy nut job with way to many guns food and ammo with the exception of havin electricity which i have a generator and some solar i have one room in my house dedicated to food storage i grow a garden raise a cpl cows have around 50 chickens r more along with a pear tree a apricot tree along with 3 pecan trees all behind my privacy fence

  28. I am a average citizen/prepper. I own a few firearms and I am stocking up on some food and ammo and some gear.I plan more on bugging in then out,though I am working on a bug out vehicle.. I live in a low population erea but alot of them are marginal citizens at best.That is why I have the bugout option. Steve

  29. the other type that is not listed here is what some call "THE RAIDER" a well armed, opportunistic individuals looking to take what they can when they can instead of prepping in advance like they should. although it is a "survival plan" it is not good news for most traditional preppers. yes there will be hundreds of thousands of people running around getting what they can but the "raider" is the deadliest of all. security precautions should be taken to say the least!

    and no im not one but i have ran into some in my life. they are not to be underestimated.

    • hi just found this site, very good to see i'am not alone. i've been a prepper for a long time but changed my veiws some what in a small scale problem i would get by with my family easliy but if it all went up in hell. well then not sure now you see i know we need a social net work to live doctors, dentist, farmers, nurses, it is on good being a jack of all and master of none every single person is important to are survival with out a good social net work are family hurts and we can not help then all the prepairing we do will be for nothing. i live in england where they do not let you have guns and other things like america so it is harder to get ready for the big day
      but now i feel the best long term chance is the raider as the right military training may see you survive until a social net work returns as with out this we are all horrible animals

  30. I fall under the average citizen category, given the definitions you listed above. We plan for the most likely regional threats – hurricanes and crime (riots etc). We plan to "bug in" unless we absolutely have to evacuate. We budget a small portion of our income every month to preparing, and count on our skills and planning to carry us through.

  31. I've always been a bit of a survivalist. Literally from the time I was in Middle School I carried extra bottles of water, a 30' nylon rope, latex gloves, a face mask, and duck tape in my backpack. Recently with the general social unrest from politics and unemployment I've decided it's more important than ever to be prepared for the worst. My ultimate goal is to build a bunker just outside of town on the property of a friend of mine, but in the meantime I'm just working on getting about a 3 week supply of food and a garden.

  32. I am just getting into this really I have grown up hunting and camping so I would say that I have a leg up on some people. I have several weapons but believe that one can never have to many ๐Ÿ˜‰ I am working on stocking up on ammunition. I do not have a stock pile of food but would like to change that as well. I have a loose plan on what I would do if our world should take a turn for the worse. however for my plan to be successful I still need to purchase a 4×4 vehicle so that is what I am saving for right now to be followed by several more guns and of course more ammo. I wouldnt say I have a stockpile of food however when shopping I tend to buy a little extra to put back in the cuboard. I try to have at least some extra food on hand at all times. Like most people have said it is the $$ that keeps me from doing everything that I want to concerning survival but I am working at it slowly.

  33. I just recently found this site and find it very uplifting to find so many diversified folks with self preservation in mind. I might add a couple notes on publications that I have found to be useful. The Backwoodsman Magazine and The Backwoods Home Magazine are full of insight to preparedness. Not to forget the Boy Scout Handbook, the original "BE PREPARED" motto is the first rule of scouting. At 55 y/o, I have tried to live by that motto for more than 46 years and it has served me well.

  34. As for prepping and what kind of a survivalist I would call myself? I am a SURVIVOR. I have the will to survive, the skill sets to survive, training, a plan of action (A, B,C, and D if need be), and stores cached in more than one location and direction.
    Living in a suburb area of a large metroplex, I am prepared for the basic catastrophy (weather, riots/ civil unrest, earthquake etc) for an extended period of time without electricity, water and social convenience.
    I do not consider prepping for apocoliptic demise of the world, beyond my fall back point. From there I have what is needed to sustain and protect my family and extended family in the long term.

  35. I would consider myself to be be a survivor, I have collected a huge variety of skills through my life(not a long one but never the less). I have a few plans for how to survive when SHTF. Since I live in the EU (Sweden) I'm realy concerned about all new laws and legislations that are emerging here in the EU. They have just passed a law that will come in affect in a couple of months and that law will bee the end of all free media, since the law gives the EU the right to controll and check all media.

  36. Growing up on a farm, hunting, fishing, and loving the outdoors has provided a great background for me. I remember becoming obsessed with living off the land and becoming self sustained after reading "My side of the Mountain" and "Hatchet" in like 4th grade. Only after leaving the farm and going away to college have I truly realized how completely oblivious others are to the delicate society in which we live in.
    Right now I have nothing but my knowledge and experience, along with my B.O.B (which is such a hard thing to explain to others why I have an ALICE pack in my dorm room filled with various thing I can use to survive.) But if i were to make it home, I would be a nearly off-grid and serious prepping survivalist. I am in ROTC ,an avid outdoorsman, and possess skills a majority of the population has no need or care for, at least until TSHTF.
    Its pretty cool to see how other people prepare and debate different topics, great site

    • "My Side of the Mountain" was a good read as a kid. I still have my copy and will be giving it to my nephew, who already loves the outdoors and hope this stimulates his wanting to read. I used the same tactic on my step-son, who now is an avid reader. I've seen the article on getting spouses involved in the prepping, but we cannot forget the kids, as they are the true future.

  37. I have found a slingshot/wrist rocket is very useful. For small game, river rocks work well, usually smooth and rounded, but for bigger game, muzzleloading round balls seem to work better than the steel ball bearings most associate with slingshot "ammo". I carried a slingshot during my tour to the sandbox for OIF and found it worked to keep feral dogs and cats in check and officers mad…lol. During my tests, the 45 cal lead round balls seem to perform the best, enough weight for kinetic energy and yet light enough for velocity.

  38. i wait for it to happen and use what i see like plants growing on there own but i have some gear oh and like junk i will find a way to make a trap from it or something

  39. Sadly, I seem to fall into the “Average Citizen” zone. The few pluses is that I’m good in the EDC category, am thinking about preparedness, both of the family vehicles are 4x4s, and I am a camper by choice for vacationing purposes.

    Found this site soon after the Japanese disaster happened. Been reading it daily and making lists and prioritizing purchases. The wife or as another poster calls his “She Who Must Be Obeied” is still in the “That’s nice dear” phase, but slow and steady wins the race.

    My big problem is that I’m in San Francisco, bug out is to the North (crossing the Golden Gate Bridge), East (crossing the Bay Bridge) or South (driving thru the gang infested part of town).

  40. Well I have to say I’m not sure where I fall I am a long haul trucker I dont have a BOB I have a KW T2000 I keep well stocked with groceries enough for 2 to 3 weeks I’m well armed, maintain 3 levels of first a kit from basic first aid to trauma kit. My truck is equipped with a back up generator that powers my fridge and GE dual burner hot plate as well as maintaining trucks batteries. I have always been a live off the land back woods camper/hiker so I do have my satchel with both traditional firesteel and flint and moderen magesium backed flint and steel, a zip lock bag of 2″ squares of char cloth a small can used to make more char cloth a 9’x12′ heavy canvas drop cloth makes great mostly water proof shelter, zip ties, my hat band is about 40′ of paracord braided together etc basically my prep is just what you might find on any otr drivers truck whos e been at it for awhile. If a SHTF scenario happens I should say when it happens I’m already rolling with a 53′ refer trailor filled with food as I drive for a major grocerery store chain.

  41. I enjoy hearing where everyone is coming from and how they are preparing. I see many of us have developed our backgrounds from childhood and it has stuck with us. One of the things I am working on now is increasing my household and food supply quantities and rotating the supplies. I am also trying to increase my supply of ammunition. I try and stay with a commonality of calibers such as same shotgun guage for everyone in the family. The same goes for the hanguns and hunting rifles. If we are all using the same caliber we can stock up on the ammo and be more easily prepared for reloading. I try and buy a couple of boxes of ammunition with each paycheck. Along with whatefer else I buy, I .22 ammo. I think the .22 rimfire could be one of the most commonly needed and used calibers. I am also looking at the .22 conversions for the hanguns such as Glock.

  42. i would rather get killed by a gun than wounded with a bow. i would not mess with a person who had a bow, close range…of course.

  43. I have been urban homesteading for a few decades now; I have “get-to-my-shelter” bags (individual, household, vehicle, dog) and a small “Altoid” type in my purse. I have supply stores and caches (not just food); Defense/Safety/Security; gardening; communications; hardcopy library and digital; I’m always learning something new by attending “live colonial”, crafts and Native American events, etc … Am a member of my neighborhood group; have a formal individual and group preparedness plan; primary & secondary retreats, as well as various routes to get to each from my usual activities, even if on foot; I have “Prepper” and self-reliant family and friends scattered around the U.S.A.; No debts; I work at staying in shape; have previous C.E.R.T., the Red Cross and CB REACT, wilderness backpacking, camping and hunting experience; as well as First Aid training. My self-reliance/preparedness covers the gambit of: Bad Luck/Clumsiness (personal finance crisis; illness/injury; crime; house fire); Natural; Human Made and Metaphysical/Spiritual (Armageddon, Nostradamus, etc). I am also a firm believer that you can’t buy self-reliance or preparedness you have to do it and live it.

    “Be Prepared …
    the meaning of the motto is that a scout must prepare himself by previous thinking out and practicing how to act on any accident or emergency so that he is never taken by surprise.”
    Sir Robert Baden-Powell
    (British Army Officer, founder of the Boy Scouts, 1857-1941)

    Although I consider myself the “Boy Scout/Coast Guard” type – Be Prepared/Always Prepared I guess by your description I fall into your Serious Prepper, however I don’t spend all my time, energy or monies on preparedness – I actually spend most of my time, energy and monies on self-reliance, which lends itself to preparedness, yet in my book is different.

    From a 50 Something, urban homesteading, Prepper; I share Preparedness, Homesteading, Self-reliance knowledge & doc's at: http://nmurbanhomesteader.blogspot.com/ & http://www.scribd.com/TNTCrazyLady

    Today is the Tomorrow that you worried about Yesterday – Prep On ;-}

  44. i'm the first type, i live in the woods as a matter of course, off-grid, off pipe and simple as possible, I'm crappy at cooking and all phases of food production. however when TSHTF i have a lot of other skills that would be in demand and barterable, #1 being nursing/trauma care. I have herbal and pharmaceutical knowledgeand can grow medicinal plants. I stockpile drygoods and canned food, but for long-term, i'd barter healthcare for food. Also most folks want a guitar player around their campfire and would toss a biscuit my way. Prepping is maximizing what you know and networking that around what you don't makes a strong community. Which i also have out here in the woods. We're defensible asn isolated, and long-time local. I worry more about being trapped away from home, but i know all the ways to get back, and always carry my get-home kit.

  45. im a mix beteen serios prepper and off the grid, and cheese slid off the cracker a few years back when they elected Osama obama to the white house

  46. I am what you might call " The Unknown Prepper" I simply go thru my life trying to help people along the way, I do not think I am better than anyone I just try to be prepared.
    Imagine if you could go back in time just 50 years ago and tell the people what type of country the United States has become from just a moral stand point.
    We have Abortion on demand, God is a second class citizen at best in this country, we are 14 trillion in debt. Some people treat our Troops like Dirt. and so on, Now how long do you think it would take them to form a lynch mob or have us commited ?
    One day something will happen it could be Weather related , Terrorist, Government take over, Or something as simple as running out of gas on a trip to the mountains in the winter.
    In the end it really does not matter you will have the prepared and the un prepared.

  47. I would have to disagree with your classifications a bit. You suggest that the "Average Citizen" preps, has gear and food put away, and has a bug out bag. I believe that the "Average Citizen" is completely asleep at the switch and is in for a Rude Awakening in the event of a large scale, serious, regional or national emergency. The "Average Citizen" has only the food that is in the pantry and fridge and no clue what a BOB is or a GOOD plan of any kind. i wished it were otherwise but in my humble opinion, it just 'aint so…

  48. Before you can answer that question, what are your limits/limitations? Do you have a chronic
    health condition. Being prepared for short term crisis is common sense. Many could not manage
    without modern medicines. Its why people over 60 were rare 100 years ago.

  49. I am somewhere between Average Citizen and Serious Preper. My dad was raised during the Cold War. His entire family (extended Included) had BOBs, BOLs, Interlocking / Independent Bug Out Plans, Gas Masks, Bomb Shelters, and a few weapons caches and supply caches stored around BOLs. Also, livestock and seed for farming. People look back at that and laugh, but I look back at that and ask: What has Really Changed? I've run into a lot of resistance in this topic from those who think I'm CRAZY because I carry enough gear in my SUV to go camping for a week at any given moment. ( I could actually go much longer if necessary) I'M NOT CRAZY!!! I don't think that the Incontrovertable Evidence of an Impending Global Catastrophy is a for sure thing or that Zombies are a likely occurance, but Camping is fun. I do think the Internet (though useful) is overrated, and most TV shows suck. I like Shooting, Camping, and 4Wheeling. Throw in a gas mask, some seeds, and a GOOD plan and suddenly I'm a Nut!!

  50. am somewhere between Average Citizen and Serious Preper. My dad was raised during the Cold War. His entire family (extended Included) had BOBs, BOLs, Interlocking / Independent Bug Out Plans, Gas Masks, Bomb Shelters, and a few weapons caches and supply caches stored around BOLs. Also, livestock and seed for farming. People look back at that and laugh, but I look back at that and ask: What has Really Changed? I've run into a lot of resistance in this topic from those who think I'm CRAZY because I carry enough gear in my SUV to go camping for a week at any given moment. ( I could actually go much longer if necessary) I'M NOT CRAZY!!! I don't think that the Incontrovertable Evidence of an Impending Global Catastrophy is a for sure thing or that Zombies are a likely occurance, but Camping is fun. I do think the Internet (though useful) is overrated, and most TV shows suck. I like Shooting, Camping, and 4Wheeling. Throw in a gas mask, some seeds, and a GOOD plan and suddenly I'm a Nut!!

  51. I have 10 acres in the rural South. We garden with heirloom seeds and can the extra for winter. We raise chickens, rabbits, and goats. My horse Dakota can plow or get me to town when all other means fail. We have 2 wells, one with an old style hand pump. I'm still tied to the grid, but we maintain a 21kw standby generator that has a 500 gal propane tank for backup power. If that fails I have a gas generator. We keep 3 freezers full and a 1 year supply of rice, beans, wheat, and other dry and canned goods. We also have a wood burning Jotul stove for heat. We recycle everything and do our best to minimize our impact on th environment. I'm raisingmy 3 boys to hunt, fish, garden, ride horseback, make fire, and value hard work. My next project is to purchase a solar power system as insurance in the event of an extended grid down scenario. I love all the cool gear, but feel that knowledge and experience will be far more important when things go bad. I'd say I'm a serious prepper who aspires to be an off-grid survivalist.

    • Seems like you're pretty off-grid! I would consider my family off-grid, and your set up sounds a lot like ours. I absolutely agree with you that knowledge and experience will be the best preparations anyone can have.

  52. I am a big time off the grid survivor, Since i was 13, i have had a secret survival location, with a garden that i went to every weekend. It was just a simple little place and i really did not know much about survival. But now I have been learning a lot more about it, and now i have 2 secret locations, with gardens and water supply right near them.

  53. That sounds just like how I was, i was made fun of a lot because i used to carry a shoulder bag full of survival tools, and i would carry that around everywhere. Right now, I would categorize myself as an off the grid "homesteader" survivalist. I have 2, secret bug out camps and they both have gardens and water and with lots of wildlife around.

  54. The way I see it, i would much rather be preparing all the time for something that might not happen, instead of trying to get stuff together an hour before you haft to leave with everyone else in the town doing the same thing.

  55. Im an avid backpacker. I’ve been doing that for years all over the world even as a guide to some of the most remote places on earth. I have what you all are calling a “bug out bag” at the ready and have for years mainly due to the fact that I maybe headed out on a trip at any moment. I know a lot of people that are this way that love backpacking and camping. Im not sure what category you would call this, maybe bushcraft? Primitive ways of obtaining shelter, fire, water,and food are something a big group of people are enjoying now.

  56. I'd be 'Average Citizen' prepping for Off-Grid self-sustaining. 'Serious Preppers' in my area…. need to be ready to raided. Not by me, but all the army of ghetto punks and desperate folk that'll be scavenging.

  57. I fit somewhere between a prepper and average citizen. I live half off grid, and half on, store food, grow some, have several survival bags and bug out bags(yes there is a difference) as well as practice with camping or training weekends or weeks when I get the chance. On 320 acres of wooded,pasture,and 3 ponds, 2 creeks, it is just a way of life.

  58. I'm a mix of them all
    i take it seriously but not way to serious
    i'm still average
    but i sorta am a homesteader

  59. I think I fall into the Average Citizen category for now. I've been preparing and adapting my BoB for awhile now. I have set asside water and food, but not enough yet for a longterm situation. Thusly I don't think I am a serious prepper yet. Since we (my mom and I) still live in a house in our city I don't think we qualify as "Off the Grid." To be honest since we live in Kansas we're more worried about what Ma Nature will throw at us than what some idiot with a cause and little wisdom, but loads of intelligence might do. As far as Terrorism goes our worst case scenario would be an attack on the electrical grid that causes a large scale blackout. Our most likely SHTF or even TEOTWAWKI scenario would be a Joplin type tornado striking again or god forbid the idiots that farm section road to section road out in western Kansas don't change their ways and we have a repeat of the Dust Bowl years.

  60. Please don't forget to list the nomadic type of survivalist. The main differences in nomads and off grids are that the nomads will either herd animals or forage for their food. Also, they do not have a permanent residence and are always exposed to the elements. Nomads also use their survival skills to track their location and navigate harsh terrain. This type of survivalist would probably have the best chance in an apocalyptic situation.

  61. I myself fall somewhere between avarage and serious. Being 14 i have no way of getting a bug out location. To add to the frustration, my mother does not support me at all. But i have a secret stash of preps i.e. Gas masks/ food/ clothing/ water/ even a generator that i purchased off the internet.( fully tested) but my family will thank me when the time comes…. (^0^)/

  62. For now, I'm more of the Average Citizen. I live in NYC, Queens, NY. I am working on getting out of NYC, as soon as possible, but that wont be for a few years. If anything happens getting out of NYC will be next to impossible. It takes close to 1 hour to go 5 miles, now, when things are good. Besides I have no where to go and no car. (although, the no car thing could be remedied in an emergency, with a rock and wire cutters) Guns? They even make owning a shotgun hard here. With our fascist Mayor "Mao" Bloomberg, Pepper Spray and pocket knives are illegal. The Army/ Navy store by me was raided and the guys arrested because they were selling those little 3" -4" flip open knives. They the guys didn't even know they banned them. But I have a stock of Swords and Machetes from the internet and at least a months worth of food and water + various survival gizmos, and gadgets.

  63. It seems that no matter how many times I try to post or go to forums, this place won't let me in. I have 3 other sites I'm connected to, but this seems to be the most comercial. If I can't post threads, why would I want to be here? Can any body help me out? I have followed all the steps showed and told to me

  64. I am not what you might call a survivalist on the extreme end but, consider myself a serious average joe. I started planning for things like unemployment, power outage, hurricanes (only had one in my 35-year recollection in our area), earthquakes, store shortages etc. I do go off of my schedule at times like when ammo started to rise dramatically. But, I usually stay focused barring those types of exceptions. I started my BOB for times that we may have to leave our home but can stay on our property. Then, I move up to larger survival concerns like when we have to leave the property and go to a Red Cross facility etc. I also collect a variety of options that may occur in my BOB, for an example, emergency rations, MRE style foods and hunting game in the food category or water filter, stored water and purification tablets options for various situations needing water access for survival in several scenarios. Last, but just as big a concern, I move into the SHTF mode. From my military days, my equipment reflects that. For example, I pack GI rain ponchos, a military–style med kit, a military style 1911 and M4 style rifle because that is all I am familiar with and am not a gun ‘freak’ as some call it. Much of my equipment mirrors Mole and PAL setups because that is most familiar and effective for me. I spend a lot of time practicing and training at the range and take CPR classes and so on when I can. My son is an excellent nurse and backpacker so, we spend time discussing things like catching and cleaning fish, what is missing in my med kits, or what the best trails are in the area and where the best places are to go to get away etc. I have some training in the CQB rife/pistol, martial arts, hand-to-hand, and medieval longsword but, those are at the hobby end of the spectrum I don’t worry about much but some skill in those areas cannot hurt. That’s a pretty poor explanation of where I am coming from but, I tried.

  65. I think that using the term "Average Citizen" doesn't really match your description. In reality the "average citizen" does very little if anything to prep for what is to come. What you described sounds more like a realistic prepper who has not gone off the deep… yet. ๐Ÿ™‚

  66. You Left out the biggest group " Sheepeople " those that prep by mistakenly thinking they will grabb a gun and take food from the well prepared, Well Trained, and WELL ARMED ( good luck you'll need it. )

  67. We live in an apartment near downtown, but are within a 10 minute drive and a bit of a walk to the family homestead. Completely isolated on 50 acres surrounded by farmland. The entire family is proficient in hunting, canning, drying ect. Not much but for the space we'd be able to grow our own food, we also keep hausenfeffers (food rabbits). We aren't able to keep guns here in the city (landlords rule) but my army duffle always has enough for the three of us to go

  68. I guess I'm between the average citizen and serious prepper. I think if I had a subcategory, it would be Improvised Prepper, as I'm more interested in how to make stuff that can get me through than I am simply buying it off the shelf.

  69. New prepper here! Hurricane Sandy was an eye opener. My first survival prep tool was the 5 gallon gas can. Little by little I'm getting my gear together but living in NYC makes it extremely hard to really be prepared without sticking out too much. I'm working on getting a rifle/shotgun permit and have been filling in with smaller items as money allows. My wife and I decided that when another hurricane hits we will evacuate early and move personal items up off the basement. As far as a SHTF situation, hopefully by then I'll have my weapon, food storage, first aid, back up fuel, quiet inverter generator, propane, and first aid all together. Unless we for see something imminent, it will be impossible to get out of the city when something happens, so we'll stay put. Lucky for me I have been handling weapons since I was a kid ( thanks dad RIP). Now I'm concentrating on being in shape and trying to sell junk in the house to make room.

  70. My wife and I are new to this site, and we are learning a lot. We are also new to prepping, so we don't have anything really. We want to make some prepping friends, cence we are blind. We know what we want at our BOL, but we don't have the money to get the things we want and need. TEOTWAWKI has already hit me and hit me hard. I went blind at 14, and looking back at it, it gets me thinking anything can happen at any time. My wife and I want to be ready when it does. So if any of yall can help us, please do.
    Mr. Redneck

  71. I think the "MacGyver" should be one of the types. A good skillset tops any gear. It's one thing to have $5000 worth of supplies but it's another thing to be able to just drop into the wilderness with a handful of basics and get along just fine.

  72. Terrified. But only for my loved ones. I know I can take care of myself so I’m prepping for them. I started with the basics. 30 dollars of non perishables a week. Lone wolf 3 day forest bug outs scouting locations and possible resources. I used Google Earth to locate hazardous areas and potential resources. Ghosting local social networks to get a feel for potential conflicts and or alliances. But MOST IMPORTANT!!!!!! BOOKS. On anything that would help. No batteries needed. And an excellent time killer on those long dark nights in the woods by your self.

  73. I lived in the country for most of my life. Now i live in upper Wisconsin on the out side of a small city
    and i have it planed to head out to the secluded woods that i can walk to from where i live.
    I make my own MRE's and most of the other things i need in my Backpack.
    I bought a large tent do to i am 6 foot 3 and my son will be with me when SHTF.
    We have sleeping bags and clothing for winter and summer.

  74. When my son and i walk out the back door we do not plan on coming back. We have enough food to last us about a week or more. Before any food is gown we will be setting up snares and fishing and doing some silent hunting.
    Plus we have a bag that go's with us in the car when ever we leave home and there is enough food and stuff to survive a good 5 days.

  75. I am not a survivalist I am frugal I have bought in bulk since my lifestyle has allowed for it having a place
    that allows for it the money I save helps me to live better and have disposable cash other wise I would not be
    able to ejoy some of my hobbies and past times.

    The end of the world is posible but I will deal with that when it comes right now I am living and enjoy every day
    I am prepared for rough times but not focused on the negative side all the time if your doing things and your not having fun along with it being a plan, your not living as well as you could be.
    I like raising animals it gives me happiness to watch them learn their personality traits and I like to pamper them
    some I give them treats and give them ways to keep active and I hope happy.
    I will take some for food but it is not I don't know how to say it but it is negative I hate watching these hunting shows where they high 5 each other and giggling like a fool.
    I don't like them praising or thanking the animal either I respect them by a quick and as unsuspecting for them as possible death.
    I try not to waste anything to me it is serious and not to be flippant about it.
    Now I have and if others are around we joke and laugh but not about slaughtering or what we have to do to get the meat we need.
    the way I look at it is God made these animals I did not, he gave it I need to respect what I am given by God.
    I do not hurt anything unless it needs to be done.
    chickens and rabbits that I raise cannot survive in the wild here maybe elsewhere but not here I am responsible for their care health security and not to waste as much as I can.
    if I don't eat it or it is not a threat to my animals or me I leave it alone or release it.
    When I hunt fish or cull my animals I try to dispatch them as qick as I can I may say that was a nice one or that will
    fill the freezer or such but I don;t mean it in a deragatory way.

    I can do what needs to be done but at the end of the day I know who in my mind supplied it, God it took me a long time to get that straight in my head but if you do not respect the things you have you won't have them long.
    When I put life before God I struggled now that I consider God more I do well I have tried every way possible and I found Gods way worked and mine did not.

  76. I did not or do not want to get preachy I also think people need to put things in perspective and use what they have and what is given to them to its potential and respect life.
    I will never be a vegatarian I will never understand that way of thinking plants have life too just because we cannot hear or understand them or treat them as pets we may be uderestemating what they are.
    Some plants communicate some appear to need another to produce
    a lot of traits animals have they have including self preservation that means it is not just alive but has a presence
    a vegetarian kills they just won't accept that.
    If you did not create it and you stopped it from thriving you killed it.
    all this organic speak is silly at some point even if it is drowning the bugs by washing your killing something you had no hand in creating not to mention I don't see them packing it on thier back to the store they use trucks fuel oil
    yea that evil old nasty oil to get their produce to market I understand trying not to use hormones chemicals or antibiotics, but really these people act like they walk on water an organic tomato grown in California and trucked to Texas has killed just as much insects as insecticide the truck dripped oil used fule and pumped CO2 enough to
    wipe out a train load of puppies but I am a jerk for using sevin dust on my plants oh thats funny.

    If one of my animals gets sick you bet I am going to treat them with what I can to save them I guess if your a NATURAL and against atibiotics you just let them die well that just so decent of them.

    I am not a prepper or a survivalist I am a human being that like to maintain a level of comfort and control over my
    food and my life I also enjoy hunting fishing and gardening canning my own food as I like vegetables that are either expensive or not at the grocery store and I like to limit how much GMO's I intake and subsidize through
    my shopping dollars.
    I am being responsible for my carbon foot print unlike al gore that buzzes around in a personal jet and owns numerous homes one 40,000 square foot and a parking lot of cars and I think a helicopter or so.

    Survivalist sounds like one of those kooks in one of those paramilitary magazines and a prepper ?
    People that do not prep or take responsibility for their life and family think we are like chicken little running around thinking the sky is falling.
    Personally I think we are responsible and caring people looking out for the long term welfare of our families and communities
    We live like our grand parents did what is so unusual about that ? we plan to overcome hard times not to be a burden on our neighbors or extended families is that unethical or irresposible?
    most of us are self starters hard working handy and are self taught and strive to learn new things, is that out there?
    Most of us read apply that knowledge and share it so that make us unballanced ?

    Personally I think most of us are concered about the direction of our way of life our country and want the best for our country most of us by what I can gather vote and are civic minded are involved in many organizations
    I think most of you are exemplary citizens military veterans and family oriented people now if that is wrong
    I am one confused individual.
    I know that folks like us are not going to be sitting on our hands waiting to be saved
    not ready or lacking know how most of you will be taking the lead like Civil defense used too.
    now people think that it is someone elses job to be ready, maintain law and order help the injured and clean or rebuild just how in the world did that notion come into being?

    There is my rant, I am not a survivalist or prepper I am a independant small farmer trying to be self suffeicent
    and eco friendly and control my carbon footprint recycle and repurpose to save the planet.
    I don't make plastic don't buy a new car every year, do not live above my means and do not get anything I have not paid for in advance.
    I did not come here illegally I paid my way and still do and served my country so if people think me and people like me are crazy I think they are lazy short sighted and selfish and I hope that the whole nation goes crazy like us iMHO.

  77. I can only say it is on thing to buy batteries for your flash own a radio and store a few days of food even buy fllod insurance for floods and snow storms. But you a wing nut if you think that a cheap bunker and old 12 guage shotgun will save you from earth quakes, super volcanoes (yellow stone is one) Gama radiation from nearby super novas or astrode (the kind that killed the dinosaurs). You not likely to survive and if unlikely you do 90% of life on earth is extent what next eat each other.


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