Backpack Alternative: WEB Gear

WEB Gear LBE

Over the years I have tried many things out in the field and one thing I found that works really well for those of you that don’t like a heavy pack is WEB gear, sometimes known as LBE (Load Bearing Equipment).

In this guest article my friend Chuck shows us how WEB Gear can be a great alternative to backpacks if you need less weight and more maneuverability than a Bug Out Bag

Harness

WEB Gear H HarnessI prefer the H-Harness to any other kind. They also have a Y-Harness, but I prefer the weight distribution of the H.  With either of these you have the ability to put a compass pouch on one shoulder and a knife one the other. I know it sounds like a bad movie but having those on your harness is a good thing.

I found that a Cold Steel SRK (Survival Rescue Knife) works well for the knife because of the sheath. Also, on the either harness is a spot for a sleeping bag once it is in the synch strap. I like that feature because is hangs down your back out of the way.

Belt

M4 M16 Magazine PouchTo outfit my web belt I like to use M-16 magazine pouches, but I take out the magazine dividers first. Here is a list of everything I’m able to carry in the pouches and around the belt of the harness:

Pouches

On Belt

Butt Pack

  • Two pair of socks and underwear wrapped up in a water resistant bag and compressed
  • MREs (without the cardboard boxes) enough for three days
  • Small roll of toilet paper around a dowel rod
  • Folding Saw
  • MREA small first aid kit:
  • 20 alcohol prep pads
  • 75 Band-Aids of various sizes
  • 4 ace bandages
  • Needles and thread
  • Eye drops
  • Saline solution
  • Tweezers
  • Scalpel with disposable blades
  • Another mini flash light
  • Chest wound compress
  • Three slings

On the bottom of the butt pack is my poncho which can be used as a shelter, rain gear, water gatherer, or a ground mat. Almost all I carry can be used for multiple purposes.

Ammunition

9mm Ammuntion I carry in a low riding tactical sling on my right side with spare mags. I try to make sure I have at least 120 rds for my pistol.

I am always open to suggestions on how to improve my set up but this is a good list to start from.

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JRTexas June 2, 2010 at 7:47 am

I don't know why every list includes matches; also, I have a Zippo, and considering the amount of fuel it eats up, would not rely on it in a survival situation. In this type of setup, I would include two simple bic lighters.

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caine30 June 3, 2010 at 2:03 am

you are right in that I forgot to mention them I had taken them out with plan to buy new ones then i started writing this out so thanks it was an oversite I just put the new ones in my gear one in my butt pack and the other in one of the m-16 pouches. thanks for reminding me.

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Eric July 14, 2010 at 3:49 am

If you go with a standard Zippo insert, yeah, it needs to be refueled about once a week. If you use a butane insert (about ten bucks), keep it filled and you're ready to go.

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 6:38 pm

one of the great things i have found is the survival butane lighter it is a great mini torch and it works good for soldering it is also great for lighting your cigars or cigerettes one of my bad habbits but not the only reason i carry so many lighters.

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Dustin June 2, 2010 at 5:35 pm

If using a butt pack, "H-harness" rides much better than a "Y-harness"

Nothing screams prepper/militia more than showing up with a full LBE, so you may want to consider that if you are trying to keep a low profile.

Military canteens are OK, but you may want to expand your horizons a bit – these guys are great (they also have cool canteen-cup cooking gear and other "nice-to-haves") http://www.canteenshop.com/id31.html

I like your mag holders – you may want to consider a "dump pouch" too – lots of room in there.

I also noticed no backup backup firestarter – like a ferro rod, striker, or fire piston or anything. I guess you could always make a friction fire – lots of work though.

Great post – most people think you can only use a backpack!

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caine30 June 3, 2010 at 2:09 am

thanks for the tips i checked out some of the stuff on that site it looks great so i added it to my favorites lol. it feels good to have people actually read somthing Lucas and i put together thaks again guys and gals and remember to keep your powder dry.

Chuck

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Jerry June 4, 2010 at 11:06 am

LBE is fine old or new. They're great and I would use them. you can put other Items on it other than the military pouches etc. I and had to wear them in the Army and they aren't always comfortable. but what I would want to use is a vest . Air crew type or you can make your own out of a Photographers, fishing or hunting vest.,
I agree with Dustin. about if you want keep a low profile then I would use the photo, fishing, or hunting vest.. I'd pack it with only what I think I would really need. You can wear it all the time and sleep with it on if need be. it's hard to sleep with LBE on you can but it's a pain.
You can still use the LBE or backpacks over it. if you want,. but is seconds count and you can take the vest eveywhere and have it on most of the time if you choose. no one will notice it especialy if you use a photo-vest and have a camera around your neck. For the low profile types, otherwise use everthing you can.

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caine30 June 5, 2010 at 3:55 am

good point about the photo vest I had not thought of that before where i live in the country and most of the people around me are of like mind. I was just making a point to get some of this stuff out there for the ones that wanted a place to start cause making one of these can come in handy when you can not make a whole BOB with out breaking the bank.

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Jerry June 6, 2010 at 12:11 pm

I agree

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Josh October 27, 2010 at 11:48 pm

I went out and bought an assault vest from an army surplus store. It has space for extra mags (pistol and rifle) and pouches for maps and grenades if need be. In a SHTF secnario, I'm not too worried about being inconspicious, more about protection. If I want to keep a low profile, I'll avoid contact with other people and head for the woods. I'd rather be packin, than have a low profile and be un-prepared. I'd like to try and use web gear with the vest to carry more ammo, but I'm not sure if the vest will fit with the harness. I've also looked into shoulder bags to carry any other extra ammo if need be.

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 6:58 pm

one of the things I have found that works well with the assult vests is a mole low riding plat form it is a great way to carry more ammo and not have the bulk of a vest and LBE rig.
this is what i found for a good rig:

http://www.opsgear.com/index/page/product/product…

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mr_smashy June 4, 2010 at 2:29 pm

Right now I prefer a small chest rig if I'm running low profile. I've worn this rig under my jacket and it works just as well: http://flic.kr/p/6ZgCua
That would be in conjunction with a backpack, but I plan on moving through urban areas using vehicles and buildings; a large ALICE rig would not suit my needs.

The beauty of the MOLLE panel is how configurable it is. Here is the same panel in a E&E load out: http://flic.kr/p/6XyX1c I've driven around in my vehicle with that under my softshell with no issues.

With all these configurations my pistol is on my belt with reloads on my weak side, like I always train. All survival preps are stored in a MOLLE "3 Day" pack, which can also be configured with pouches to suit the situation. I use the same pack for hunting so I'm used how it carries.

To me, mission drives gear; am I bugging in, bugging out, doing security, recon? One setup will not fit all these jobs.

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caine30 June 5, 2010 at 3:51 am

oh I agree that not all situations will allow you to carry this set up but it is a good place to start for those without a lot of money to spend up front I mean all these peices you can buy seperatly and it has been said before somthing right now is better than nothing when its needed my whole rig cost me arond 30 dollars cause I used older stuff that was a bit cheaper but still good. it is just one of those things that is a aternative to going all out on the first try.

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Josh June 5, 2010 at 1:25 pm

I like the military setup of an LBE loaded with essentials, worn underneath the ALICE sustainment pack.

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caine30 June 5, 2010 at 9:44 pm

josh that is what i was saying to Lucas on his bug out bag its a great set up and well i am hard pressed to find any other system that works as well together as those an LBE and ALICE pack you should be able to carry every thing including the kitchen sink lol

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Josh June 6, 2010 at 4:39 pm

Great article, thanks for the tips.

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caine30 June 12, 2010 at 5:03 pm

i am just trying to get my knowledge and experience put to good use i hope things i have written will be handy for some and its great fun doing the feild work.

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Lucas_SurvCache June 8, 2010 at 4:52 pm

I am definitely on the lookout for a cheap surplus LBe system next time I go to the mil-surp store.

As much as I would love an expensive blackhawk or 5.11 or other tactical chest rig I can't afford that right now.

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caine30 June 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm

try looking on cheaper than dirt web site they have good stuff and you can also find good stuff in yard sales keep an eye out for just pouches and stuff like that.

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Parabellum June 14, 2010 at 7:11 pm

I have a good recommendation for a buttpack if anyone is interested…..not sure if the deal is still going on at CheaperThanDirt.com but they do have a very nice buttpack made by Blackwater Gear, I have one myself mounted on my Pistol Belt and it works very well, very nice construction and seems to be very sturdy. For 9.95 you can't beat it! Hopefully they still have the deal

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Lucas_SurvCache June 16, 2010 at 10:12 pm

Parabellum,

Cool thanks for the heads up. Blackwater makes pretty good gear.

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caine30 June 26, 2010 at 4:03 am

another thing that I found in cheaper than dirt and other magazines is a complete swiss set up its older canvas with a pack built right into the H harness so you have it all i think it goes for a bout 20 bucks plus shipping I was going to get one till i bought a box lot at a yard sale for 10 bucks that had a full set plus other gear in it as well. one of the other things i forgot to metion was the day hicker pack that goes with the camelbak hydration system i have one so does the wife they are great for small climbing trips and they give you a ton of water for a day.

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Brokensun2234 July 19, 2010 at 6:35 am

I would add non lubricated condoms. Not for the obvious reason but for water carrying. They can hold a good deal of water.

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caine30 July 31, 2010 at 2:08 am

not a bad idea i forgot to add those its a good thing to have if you have to cross rivers with a rifle as well

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K.Pinkerton July 28, 2010 at 10:37 pm

Hmm seems like a lot of work! Personally if you can afford it and want almost the same thing buy a AR Pistol. Small compact uses same ammo and magazines as a reg AR 15 and can be pretty much shouldered like a short AR. Another awesome advantage because its a pistol its legally concealable ^^
heres mine =D http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/Reco666/Be…

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caine30 July 31, 2010 at 6:07 am

P personally would go with both get the LBE and add to the back of your web belt the butt pack it should have the gromits on the top to allow you to attach your harness. but if you want a new thing i am doing i get a medic bag to show first timers that you do not need all the stuff but its nice to have it and a medic bag fits nice in the space around your spare tire so its out of the way when carried in your car.

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rkymtnman July 30, 2010 at 8:11 am

IMHO I say use the largest caliber that you can handle efficiently. Doesn't matter if its 9, 40, 45, 357 sig, 38 whatever. Just be able to handle the weapon properly and efficiently and practice practice practice. For me its a XD in 45ACP 13rd mags, and I have a few mags that are 16rd so capacity is as large as a 9mm.

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RudeBoy August 1, 2010 at 5:51 pm

A ccw vest, vest with hidden pockets, or something along those lines is a better bet. Especially in an urban/suburban enviroment. Having lived through Katrina I have a new view of survivalism and the fluidity of multi-threat enviroments. Dont count on police to help OR to leave you alone. Count on criminals to come to work those days. Count on "normal" folks to act like criminals.
Be invisible. Dont look affluent, excessively geared-up, or overly tactical. You dont want attention from anyone. Try to avoid carrying a bag of any kind as much as you can. If you choose not to or cannot avoid it, go with a very basic pack. Be prepared to fight for it. Scale down your kit to make this a more realistic alternative.
Dont get me wrong , I believe in good gear but Ive learned to live with less. I carry CCW (2 pistols), neck knife, wallet, bandanna, cell, lighter, and a surefire un-obtrusively on a daily basis. It took lots of trial and error to get squared away. Everything else has been refined and pared down to the point that everything I need to sustain life fits in a small CamelBak daypack.

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RudeBoy August 2, 2010 at 10:42 pm

Im with Brew. A point I didnt illustrate in my earlier comment. I advise against carrying too much crap during daily business for the sake of a little anonymity. This is all to be able to get to where I need to go. My house. Where my fiance, dog, longarms, and BOB live. I highly recommend the Eberlestock line. I bought the Gearslinger II. Great bag and I can fit my whole life in there (that includes ammo, back-up guns, and dog stuff that my dog cant carry), but for the more gear obsessed prepper I recommend getting something a bit bigger like the Halftrack.

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RudeBoy_UrbSurv August 3, 2010 at 8:35 pm

Heys guys! Im a registered user here now. Ive previously posted comments as RudeBoy.

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm

welcome to Survival Cache we are glade you joined us in sharing all the gear and info you and others have to share.

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Peter August 10, 2010 at 12:44 am

Would somebody tell me what F%@k is going on…Pleeease. We haven't received a Lucas post for over a month. Is Lucas or Zack sick? Is the site closed down? Has the SHTF and I need to come out of my shelter to take a look see? WHAT????

Peter

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Ian September 4, 2010 at 11:12 pm

None of this is considered WEB gear. It's all part of the PALS system, which is a much different system than WEB. PALS will receive MOLLE systems, not WEB. WEB is what the German infantry uses currently and ALICE gear. Needs to be researched more.

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Derek October 21, 2010 at 10:03 pm

I'm with those who tailor their equipment to their specific bugout plan. If you live somewhere that LBE, long guns, and other military-style gear won't cause alarm, great. If, like me, you live somewhere that the sight of "Man with Gun!" sends people into a panic, then less is more. The most imprtant thing is to be the "Gray man". That said, gear that can't be carried openly should still be within reach. I'm a big fan of the 5.11 and EOtac vests and pants. I carry everything from my duty belt (I'm a full time patrol officer) in the vest, with a handgun or 2 on my body, concealed by the vest. Extras or heavy items go in the Maxpedition Versipack.

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Derek October 21, 2010 at 10:04 pm

Colors are all earthtones, I can disappear as easily as in Wal-mart or into the woods behind my house. If the situation at hand degenerates to a point that web gear and long guns are the more appropriate choice, great to have it, but the reality is that in most emergencies, you will not be walking around dressed like a combat troop, without drawing way more attention than you want. layer gear and packs for different levels of societal collapse, so that if a storm kills utilities for a few days and the police and government are still functional, you have what you need and are still discreet. if teh cloud goes up and you have to go Red Dawn, you have another layer at hand to go with the basics in your daily discreet gear.

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 6:48 pm

Derek i agree that the situation dictates what you should carry but for the guys like myself that live out in the boondocks its not uncomon to see us walking around in our LBEs even if we are just going out to hike around and take a look see at the terrain.

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caine30 November 7, 2010 at 3:49 pm

and I have another article coming out soon about the hydration packs as a good basic start to a BOB.

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Leon December 2, 2010 at 7:24 am

I carried my hunting gear for years in a tactical butt pack with suspenders. It worked well, but last year, I went to the Kelty Elk Horn fanny pack with suspenders, and I really like it! The pockets are set up well for hauling just the right amount of stuff.
I steer away from military-looking gear whenever possible – don't want to look like I belong to some sort of militia!

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Leon December 2, 2010 at 7:24 am

I carried my hunting gear for years in a tactical butt pack with suspenders. It worked well, but last year, I went to the Kelty Elk Horn fanny pack with suspenders, and I really like it! The pockets are set up well for hauling just the right amount of stuff.
I steer away from military-looking gear whenever possible – don't want to look like I belong to some sort of militia!

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Chefbear58 December 12, 2010 at 4:53 pm

Chilean Air Force Tac./Survival vest! Cheap (I think around $40), lightweight, subdued colors (mine is black and dark brown), holds TONS of gear and at least around here doesn't look to out of place. I have also figured out a rig for the US Army Modular sleep system to fit comfortably on my back. It's similar to the LBE-H and I can fit MOLLE packs to it. Also works with my Camelback.

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usnyhockeyguy December 20, 2010 at 10:47 pm

I hate to pimp web sites but this place has pretty good deals on LBE and MOLLE stuff. http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/index.html

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Maxpedition December 28, 2010 at 8:44 am

Wow, I've never seen the ones with the harness. That would be a lot easier on my back. With the versipack I have now, it has to be worn on one side and by the end of the day, my back is strained.

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StillCreepnCpl October 12, 2011 at 11:07 pm

You should try and use a regular shoulder strapped pack with the waist belt for lumbar support. It takes alot of the strain off of your lower back. You could wear the H harness and then strap on your daypack or 3 day pack for extra gear you would need.

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Starydog January 3, 2011 at 12:16 pm

I like your thinking. I too carry a rather old worn out canvas daypack daily in my commuter vehicle with the basics as described above by so many. I also have a shoulder carry insulated "lunchbox" that contains water, powerbars, and of course lunch, along with a baby Glock and spare mags. The object here is to make it home if I'm caught at work when the unforseen happens.

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Starydog January 3, 2011 at 12:16 pm

I like your thinking. I too carry a rather old worn out canvas daypack daily in my commuter vehicle with the basics as described above by so many. I also have a shoulder carry insulated "lunchbox" that contains water, powerbars, and of course lunch, along with a baby Glock and spare mags. The object here is to make it home if I'm caught at work when the unforseen happens.

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Starydog January 3, 2011 at 1:15 pm

I have recently recycled my old alice LBE to a friend and moved to the new molle vest system in a more subdued basic tan. Keeping the load out flexable and to a minimum this can be worn under a jacket, under a backpack, or alone loaded for whatever the adventure brings. The mesh is light and hot weather tolerant too. With the almost infinite types og bags, pouches and accessories you can go from photography to urban survival to full battle dress in an instant.

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Chance January 31, 2011 at 5:00 pm

I have used everthing from custom made chest rigs to an h-harness. I keep a Rodesian battle vest ready to go because it is dark brown and my m1a mgs fit in it. There is enough room left for three days worth of e and e gear. I also carry a Pathfinder duluth pack which is dark brown as well. I

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PITA45 February 16, 2011 at 9:03 pm

The 2 Military Canteens with cup you carry.
Are the cups metal?
In the bottom of the canteen cover,
I carry some powder soup and a tea bag or two.
I did not know you could get so much in a M-16 mag pouch.

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Thompsolonian February 23, 2011 at 8:12 pm

This may have been covered already, but I noticed not little Binocular/Monocular, those can come in pretty handy in just about ANY environment, and there are many that have a pouch that is compatible with the MOLLE system.

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Andrew March 10, 2011 at 5:09 pm

Question, What version of the LBE is the one that runs under the arms?

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Regulator5 March 17, 2011 at 9:07 pm

For those looking for the photographer styled vests for use, overstock.com usually has some available at reasonable prices.

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hawkgirl17 March 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

I've seen something similar to this on ThinkGeek.com (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/c616/). Though ThinkGeek's Gadget Holsters won't carry as much as this, I think they'd be good for Every Day Carry.

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Darren May 3, 2011 at 6:21 am

As for a weapon. What are you plan in on doing? Surviving or protecting from other people? In a survival situation I would suggest a tear down style .22. Yes it’s a little bigger then the 9mm but you can last alot longer and make farther shots. That’s my feeling on it.

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T.Rapier May 5, 2011 at 11:01 pm

I got one of these things on ebay ( its cheaper ) , glad I did !!!
I wear it in addition to my hunting pack . Has 3 magazine pouches lower Right , misc pouch Upper right , Good size GP pouch lower left , and another misc pouch upper left . upper right is perfect for my plug chewing tobacco lol . Hold enough to outfit for a day trip as well . Prefer the pack for longer than that .

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jason May 6, 2011 at 8:31 am

I had to look again to see that some provision for fire was included… I see you include a Zippo so you have that covered, however I just want to add that I also carry a 9-volt battery and a few pieces of steel wool. Talk about an immediate fire starter…this is compact enough and a great back up if the flint gets wet on the Zippo or fuel runs out. I do recommend a piece of duct tape over the posts of the battery to prevent any contact with metal items in your pack. The bonus to having the battery is the potential for added improvisation.

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Deniable Packrat June 2, 2011 at 10:47 am

Instead of having the LBV/H-harness setup I would suggest going to just a molle padded belt system with suspenders to hold it up. You can attach the M-4 Mag pouches, your favorite handgun holster and all the utility pouches you may need. Here is a link to see what I mean…
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/railcop…

You can set it up anyway you want and you wont have to look like a member of some defunct, backwoods, militia.

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Deafkwondo June 25, 2011 at 2:20 pm

I am wondering about using some short of web gear as my G.H.B any thoughts on this?

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marcus August 15, 2011 at 4:05 pm

Whats up guys
After setting up many different rigs this is the set up that i have now and it works well . All [tactical tailor gear] some of the best gear that i have found. I have the MAV 1 Piece chest rig loaded out with a Enhanced Admin Pouch in the center [multi tool,blastmatch,bic,compass,maps,penlight,extra batteries, paracord,knife sharpener,SaberCut Saw]. And four 5.56 Single Mag Pouchs double stacked two on each side of the admin pouch and on the out side of those on each side i have two canteens and a cup, and on the out side of those i have two small Utility Pouchs head light in one and a small pair of binoculars in the other . And for my BOB i use T.T. Modular Operator Pack 2,034 cu. in Along with two of there Medic Pouchs mounted one on each side, a lot of room in these pouchs and they are compartmentalized. I also wear a Duty Belt with my pistol and a couple extra mags and a ESEE-6″ knife with the the survival sheath.With this set up i can dump the pack and run an gun and still have all the main survival tools
on my person.

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StillCreepnCpl October 12, 2011 at 11:02 pm

Honestly I like the LBV's and H harnesses. They are a great alternative to maintain all essential gear. Its much easier to take something like that out hunting or hiking or riding a moutain bike to get yourself aclimated to the weight and such. I personally ride 14-20 miles 3-4x a week with my bug out bag with added weight for training purposes. I want to make sure that i am physically capable of handling more weight than what i will need with me if and when i would need to bug out. This is a great way to keep all that gear where you want it and organized and have better manueverability. Plus leaves room in a good pack. basically everything that Chuck said he has i have in my bug out bag less some other choice items. Now using that setup i could add a sleeping roll to the mix and have more room in my bag for other stuff like ammo. Can You add some pictures of what yours looks like done up Chuck?

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StillCreepnCpl October 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm

Cammelbacks are always a plus with this set up. When we were in Iraq, we would shove ice in ours and then top it off with water and the condensation would keep out backs cool while we were out in the heat. We did the same thing with them in Afghanistan with Hot water. we used hot water cause the winters out there are horrible. Using gear that intermixes and is utilized together helps a lot.

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StillCreepnCpl October 12, 2011 at 11:18 pm

lol thats where the funs at though, the military gear lol. But i do agree, some things you want to be more low key with. Where did you get that Kelty elk horn fanny pack at?

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ghilliesniper15 November 10, 2011 at 4:24 pm

2 Things that would let you have a ton of more room is dump pouches and SAW pouches.

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Denise March 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm

Well ever list includes matches because they don't need lighter fluid. Now a fire starter is nice, but if you're in a longterm situation replace is an issue. I suggest checking places like Mountain Man and other primitive reenacter suppliers for a steel flint striker and possible flint for striking. Now as for using LBE or a LBV in combination with a webbed pistol belt, G.I. or other butt pack another use for M16 type ammo pouches is to use one or an M14 ammo pouch to make a personal first aid kit in. I own both a M56 gear H-Suspenders and ALICE Y suspenders and like the author I like the weight distribution the H over the Y. For my main pack I used an ALICE Medium Pack with a frame yet I now also am the proud owner of an M1928 Haversack with an M1923 Cartridge belt. Now I am thinking of combining the M1923 with my H-Supsenders and butt pack rather than using the haversack with its attached meatcan pouch. I will attach an M14 pouch I own to use as the pouch for a personal first aid kit on one side and a tri-fold e-tool on the other.

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KansasScout April 6, 2012 at 10:42 pm

I agree that LBE and LBVs are improtant alternatives to BOBs. In my case I've taken a mixture of my personal LBE from when I was in the KSARNG (Kansas Army National Guard) and blended pieces with my WW-2 reenactor web gear. What I have now is an M1928 Haversack mated up with an M1923 Cartridge Belt. The haversack includes a meatcan pouch which carries my mess kit and utensils. Hooked to the belt I have an M1910 Dismounted Canteen Carrier with a stainless steel canteen and cup and an M1942 first aid pouch w/ bandage. Looped on the belt are a KaBar USMC combat knife and an M1936 .45 Magazine pocket. I've attached a butt pack to the back of the belt and an M56 .45 magazine pocket and an LC-2 M16 mag pouch to separate straps of the haversack.

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KansasScout April 6, 2012 at 10:51 pm

My haversack also came with the extender or diaper, but I don't use mine. It's to be used to carry a bedroll made from a shelter half, five tent pegs, three part tent pole, a tent rope, a couple of wool blankets, spare clothing, and a raincoat or poncho. I plan to make a bedroll from a couple of poncho liners and ponchos and attach it to the bottom of the butt pack. Inside the haversack I keep changes of underwear and a towel and washcloth in ziploc gallon bags and a 100' by 7/16" coil of rope. In the butt pack I so far keep a home and camping first aid kit and plan to stash some of my food and changes of clothing.

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KansasScout April 6, 2012 at 11:01 pm

Other things I have include a messenger bag and an small gasmask bag for the WW-2 era M8 gasmask and two six pocket bandoliers for 8 round M1 enblock magazines. In the M16 pouch I can carry six ten round stripper clips for my M59/ 66A1 SKS rifle. Between the pockets of the two bandoliers and the ten pockets of the cartridge belt, I can carry 22 enblock magazines for my M1. I know that Chuck talks of using two canteens, I own three other canteens. One is a vintage USMC stainless canteen w/ cup in a wrap-around flap carrier and the other two are GI plastic canteens w/ cups in LC-2 carriers. As soon as I find where I've stashed these I plan to attach them to my butt pack and the cartridge belt. Now I also have two more LC-2 mag pouches, an M67 mag pouch, and an M56 mag pouch. I plan to use the LC-2s and the M67 in the same manner as the one already on my web gear. I just may use the M56 to house my first aid kit in.

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550cordfreak April 28, 2012 at 3:17 pm

Needs more 550 cord, like 50-100 feet

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KansasScout September 16, 2012 at 12:14 am

Ok, I got my BOB kit made up. I didn't have access to any MREs, but I did find some boxed dry storage lunch meals that I de-boxed and put their components into a Ziploc bag. I also added some granola bars to the kit. Now my harness is a mixture of M56 and ALICE gear though I'm thinking of replaceing the M56 H-Suspenders with my reproduction M1928 Haversack. I used LC-2 M16 ammo pouches to store and carry ammunition for my SKS and M56 universal ammo pouches to carry some of the rations and a first aid kit I built in a late Vietnam War issue pouch. I have a KaBar USMC combat knife on the LC-1 pistol belt (nylon belt with metal buckle). If I add the Haversack I have the means to carry some extra clothing besides a change or two of underwear and socks. I can shift the Early Vietnam War M56 ammo pouch to the suspender straps of the Haversack along with the LC-2 first aid/ compass pouch with my Lensatic Compass and an M56 first aid/ compass pouch with an emergency black and some more granola bars in it. I also attached an M56 .45 ACP ammo pocket where I store two of my spare magazines for my M1911 which I carry in a leather reproduction M-7 shoulder holster.

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KansasScout September 16, 2012 at 12:24 am

ON the belt I have an M56 butt pack where I stored the food, two changes of underware and socks along with a mess kit. Also on the belt I have two cammo LC-2 canteen carriers. One as a Vietnam Era plactic canteen and the other has a 1980s vintage one (the one with the adapter to use the M17A1 gas mask's drinking system). Both carriers also have the 1980s vintage wire handled canteen cups. I use one of these for drinking and the other as pot for cooking. Now I have access to a vintage WWII USMC canteen cover and a reproduction M1910 dismounted cover. These I can add to the belt to give me storage for two more quarts of water and another 4 pounds of weight. (Water weighs one pound per pint.) These carriers also have the older style G.I. Canteen cups. I have two more pots or two more drinking cups.

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KansasScout September 16, 2012 at 12:28 am

Now some things I'd like to add are a pair of EMT scissors, a folding camp/ pack stove, some parachute cord, and a collapsible water back with a filtration systme built in. Oh some of those larger bathing toweletts like the hospitals use would be a nice thing to save on water. I have a spare razor, toothbrush, tube of toothpaste, bar of soap (can be used to shave with, wash with, and to shampoo hair) and some dental floss. I should also add military type water purification tablets.

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KansasScout September 16, 2012 at 12:31 am

Bookmarked site, thanks for adding it.

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EKraem March 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm

LBE's and LBV's are pretty awesome for carrying gear. I like them a lot, and they are fully customizeable and can fit anyones individual needs. The title of this article though is off. MOLLE gear, or Webbing gear as it is referred to here should be used to compliment a GOOD bag or other backpacks rather than as an alternative.

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Andrew July 31, 2013 at 11:29 pm

Learned thus from my son, two bics fit in a toothbrush holder. Keeps the secure in an easy to get to location.

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Caspian December 1, 2013 at 1:06 am

I use a full plate carrier. to hold a lot of tier 1 survival gear and. plus I guillie'd it to help me hide better.

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silentspectator February 18, 2011 at 7:08 pm

5 bic lighters in a ziplock bag

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Growler March 29, 2011 at 3:49 pm

Gentlemen lighters fail in cold weather.

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Mike Uher March 12, 2011 at 12:54 pm

Ebay is a great place to look as well, some stuff is over priced, but you can find awesome deals, that's where i got my rig. I also agree that Cheaper Than Dirt is a great place to find items that may be useful, and downright necessary. With regards to the LBV issue, I have one for me, and for my wife. Mine is a simple chest rig, meant to carry the things that a chest rig carried when I was in the Marines. A simple ALICE setup for my wife, with a plethora of pouches for food, and other items as may be needed. I also have two packs one for each of us. my thoughts are, if the situation is bad enough for me to have a need to carry something bigger than a pistol to protect my family, than more ammo, readily available is best. I view a situation where bugging out would be necessary, as one where civil order has collapsed, and the only law is the one made on the spot. This isn't to say that the situation could not return to normal very rapidly, but being ready for a long, nasty situation, and having it end very quickly is better than being prepared for a short event, and having it become long and nasty. just a thought.

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Straydog July 7, 2011 at 10:52 am

I need to update my posting. Since I aquired the Molle vest and field tested it a couple times, I have modified it's usage. The vest has an adjustable padded internal waist belt of sorts. It is now a utility belt complete with very simple H-style 1 inch strap "suspenders". (bought off Ebay) The vest itself has been retained for "other" uses. This set up now allows me to use my pack and the belt together. I can carry two canteens, a rapid deployment bag, pistol holster, and a couple additional pouches on this rig without interfering with the comfort or position of my 3 day Molle pack. I guess this would be an updated LBE/ Alice rig. It works.

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Brian January 11, 2012 at 5:43 pm

lighters fail in cold weather because the fuel needs to be warmed up. hold it in your warm hands or under your arm pit for a bit and they will work fine.

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hurley January 14, 2012 at 12:32 am

DRAGO'S SHOULDER ORGANIZERHAS A ENOUGH pockets to keep mission-critical equipment and gear for 5 days….and can be worn as a butt-pack….its 840 denier not a 1000…but can take a hell of a
load of abuse !!!

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NavyVet_77 April 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Ur rig looks well thought out and very functional. I dont see your rig working very well for someone like myself though. Your a 'trunky' guy, broad chest. Im probably taller than you, but scrawny. For my BOB I've chosen to use this –> http://www.joesarmynavyonline.com/servlet/Detail?…

And these pants http://www.joesarmynavyonline.com/servlet/Detail?…

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mr.keltec November 14, 2012 at 5:43 am

I purchased the load bearing vest a while back. Dustin is right about this look drawing attention. I'll stay w/ the tried and true backpack till tshtf, then I don't think I'll be as concerned with looking military/LE. Great article cain. thx.

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M. Dolan April 12, 2013 at 7:39 am

Hey Dustin, I figure I ought to thank you for linking to the Canteenshop in here. I wouldn't have encountered that place otherwise, and it's a great place. Building a really lightweight kit around a canteen is a fair idea, in most cases. Depends on the conditions I guess, more of a "spend the day in the woods" thing than a survival scenario, but it's got to start somewhere, and going lightweight is always good.

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